::: spoiler Transcript A post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying: courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps: In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure! I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. circumstances.run/@davidgerard…
It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding:
::: spoiler Transcript A post by [object Object] (@zzt@mas.to) saying: courtesy of @davidgerard@circumstances.run, Proton is now the only privacy vendor I know of that vibe codes its apps: In the single most damning thing I can say about Proton in 2025, the Proton GitHub repository has a “cursorrules” file. They’re vibe-coding their public systems. Much secure! I am once again begging anyone who will listen to get off of Proton as soon as reasonably possible, and to avoid their new (terrible) apps in any case. circumstances.run/@davidgerard…
It has a reply by the author saying: in an unsurprising update for those familiar with how Proton operates, they silently rewrote their monorepo’s history to purge .cursor and hide that they were vibe coding: github.com/ProtonMail/WebClien…
given the utter lack of communication from Proton on this, I can only guess they’ve extracted .cursor into an external repository and continue to use it out of sight of the public :::
Proton Mail is famous for its privacy and security. The cool trick they do is that not even Proton can decode your email. That’s because it never exists on their systems as plain text — it’s always…
Calling something "vibe coded" feels similar to calling something "woke". Its used for everything so it lost all meaning.
If I start writing a function name and the coding assistant suggests exactly, character by character, the function signature I would have typed, is that vibecoding? If I ask an agent to check out my classes and create me a json schema from that, what about that? What if I ask it to write me some database connection stuff, boilerplate that is basically directly copy pasted from docs?
The presence of a cursorrules file signifies.. Nothing. Most projects now have a prompt file to store general context, like styling etc. Most programmers use coding assistants. The use of coding assistants does not, in of itself, mean bad quality. Obviously you have to hide it because people get irrationally angry about it.
The blind AI hate does not help. LLMs can be useful. Is it stupid to have an LLM write an email so the other side can use an LLM to summarize it? Yes. Is LLM slop annoying? Yes. That does not mean that everything is bad. If you
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Calling something "vibe coded" feels similar to calling something "woke". Its used for everything so it lost all meaning.
If I start writing a function name and the coding assistant suggests exactly, character by character, the function signature I would have typed, is that vibecoding? If I ask an agent to check out my classes and create me a json schema from that, what about that? What if I ask it to write me some database connection stuff, boilerplate that is basically directly copy pasted from docs?
The presence of a cursorrules file signifies.. Nothing. Most projects now have a prompt file to store general context, like styling etc. Most programmers use coding assistants. The use of coding assistants does not, in of itself, mean bad quality. Obviously you have to hide it because people get irrationally angry about it.
The blind AI hate does not help. LLMs can be useful. Is it stupid to have an LLM write an email so the other side can use an LLM to summarize it? Yes. Is LLM slop annoying? Yes. That does not mean that everything is bad. If you check out the Developer-sphere, people who have tried coding assistants for a couple years now, the consensus is "overhyped but definitely useful".
The blind AI hate does not help. LLMs can be useful.
I agree. Unfortunately, they’re being forced on us by the same companies which are enshittifying things as much as they can, and respond with hostility when anyone suggests that users deserve privacy, or fair compensation for their work. I can’t really blame people who respond with skepticism and distrust.
truthfultemporarily
in reply to e8d79 • • •Calling something "vibe coded" feels similar to calling something "woke". Its used for everything so it lost all meaning.
If I start writing a function name and the coding assistant suggests exactly, character by character, the function signature I would have typed, is that vibecoding? If I ask an agent to check out my classes and create me a json schema from that, what about that? What if I ask it to write me some database connection stuff, boilerplate that is basically directly copy pasted from docs?
The presence of a cursorrules file signifies.. Nothing. Most projects now have a prompt file to store general context, like styling etc. Most programmers use coding assistants. The use of coding assistants does not, in of itself, mean bad quality. Obviously you have to hide it because people get irrationally angry about it.
The blind AI hate does not help. LLMs can be useful. Is it stupid to have an LLM write an email so the other side can use an LLM to summarize it? Yes. Is LLM slop annoying? Yes. That does not mean that everything is bad. If you
... show moreCalling something "vibe coded" feels similar to calling something "woke". Its used for everything so it lost all meaning.
If I start writing a function name and the coding assistant suggests exactly, character by character, the function signature I would have typed, is that vibecoding? If I ask an agent to check out my classes and create me a json schema from that, what about that? What if I ask it to write me some database connection stuff, boilerplate that is basically directly copy pasted from docs?
The presence of a cursorrules file signifies.. Nothing. Most projects now have a prompt file to store general context, like styling etc. Most programmers use coding assistants. The use of coding assistants does not, in of itself, mean bad quality. Obviously you have to hide it because people get irrationally angry about it.
The blind AI hate does not help. LLMs can be useful. Is it stupid to have an LLM write an email so the other side can use an LLM to summarize it? Yes. Is LLM slop annoying? Yes. That does not mean that everything is bad. If you check out the Developer-sphere, people who have tried coding assistants for a couple years now, the consensus is "overhyped but definitely useful".
Example, read this comment section: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
Getting good results from Claude code | Hacker News
news.ycombinator.commagnetosphere
in reply to truthfultemporarily • • •I agree. Unfortunately, they’re being forced on us by the same companies which are enshittifying things as much as they can, and respond with hostility when anyone suggests that users deserve privacy, or fair compensation for their work. I can’t really blame people who respond with skepticism and distrust.
David Gerard
in reply to magnetosphere • • •Indeed. It's informed and nuanced hate with a material analysis
"but what if there are USE CASES for the radioactive anthrax bomb"
what indeed