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So we now have DHH, Lunduke, Palmer Luckey (the Anduril guy), and Jon Ringer (Anduril employee and instigator) publicly chatting about taking over the NixOS project: xcancel.com/PalmerLuckey/statu… - with at least one of the NixOS Steering Committee members being on Anduril's payroll. That's several wealthy and influential overt fascists.
I'm not sure how much more clear anyone can make it that NixOS has a fascist problem, that leadership is either failing or refusing to address (and the distinction between the two doesn't really matter anymore by this point).
Think very, very carefully whether this is a project that you want to put your limited time on this Earth into.
You're not going to 'fix' it; many went before you and failed. The broader userbase does not have shared values and continues to staunchly believe in it all somehow magically working out if we just do enough electoral 'democracy' LARPing. The leadership is unwilling to take more radical actions and eject the fascists. There is no path to a solution, no matter how hard you campaign.
Seriously. If you want something like NixOS, put your time into working with people who actually care about opposing fascism. Make a fork, make your own thing, whatever. Anything other than continuing to pour free labour and plausible deniability into the fascists' coffers.
(Edit: archive link for the thread, in case it gets disappeared: archive.is/KKgWL)
Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey)
The bias goes way beyond online spats. The good news is that Anduril will keep using Nix to build ever more powerful weapons for American dominance regardless of what the fringe "community" people say.Nitter
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let's be factual here.
Palmer Lucky isn't just "the Anduril guy" nor is he just a fascist.
Palmer Lucky is an avowed lifetime bigot who has openly declared his support for Nazi ideology going back over a decade. He has promoted calls to violence and genocide.
He supported Alex Jones and likely still does.
He is a proud supporter of the GamerGaters.
Anyone working on NixOS at this point is a Nazi collaborator.
(fix typo; s/in/on/. Apologies!)
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#NixOS has become a fascist project. Do not contribute to it.
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Dieu
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that's really bad. What happened to the fork that was started a while ago? And do you know how suitable guix is as an alternative?
Seems like I'll have to switch to a different OS.
Sven Slootweg 🔜 eth0 ("still kinky and horny anyway")
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The Nix fork, Lix, is still alive and doing okay. It was however only a fork of the Nix evaluator, not of NixOS or the package set.
There were some attempts at forking NixOS/nixpkgs. Aux Tidepool is still going but (from what I understand) not ready for use yet, and I personally don't have enough faith in their governance structure to be resistant to fascism (but I do believe the intentions to be good). The other (unnamed) fork went nowhere for logistical reasons. A potential future fork may or may not be in the works, but at this time it's not really a Thing yet.
Personally I am increasingly asking myself what the value actually is of forking nixpkgs or NixOS, rather than reimplementing the concept; nixpkgs' internal quality is not great, the language has issues, the evaluator is really bad (and hard to improve due to the language issues). And ultimately most of the value of nixpkgs is in the knowledge it harnesses, rather than specifically its code; it would work just as well as a technical reference for a new package set.
So I see more promise in a new implementation of the same concepts and mechanisms, but with a better language, better runtime, and more care put into its maintainability. But that's very much my personal considerations, it's not the only possible good answer.
Regarding Guix, I keep bouncing off it due to its proximity to the FSF; I am trying to reduce the amount of governance disasters in my life... and while I think they got some things much more right on a technical level, I also keep hearing concerning stories about the general attitude towards things.
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Many of the people in NixOS were also leftist. The governance structure was ultimately unable to prevent takeover by fascists through concern trolling, "reasonable concerns", striving for "objectivity", and generally exploiting the lack of explicit ideological stance. The views of the people running it don't really matter if there's no structural protections from bad actors.
And I've just spent several years of my life trying to turn the NixOS ship around so right now I'm personally not really that interested in a project with anything less than an explicit "punch nazis, fascists not welcome, fascism apologists not welcome, concern trolling will get you banned" policy, and I'm not looking to become embroiled into another democracy LARP for years....