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Creation of the National Fascist Party
Main articles: Fascism and Italian Fascism

By the time he returned from Allied service in World War I, there was very little left of Mussolini the socialist. Indeed, he was now convinced that socialism as a doctrine had largely been a failure. In 1917, Mussolini got his start in politics with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5 (The equivalent of 6000 pounds today), to keep anti war protestors at home and publish pro war propaganda. This help was authorized by Sir Samuel Hoare.[52] — web.archive.org/web/2015020803…

Yes, wikipedia has deleted that...

Recruited by MI5: the name's Mussolini. Benito Mussolini | Benito Mussolini | The Guardian - www.theguardian.com — theguardian.com/world/2009/oct…

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"vigilantia et unita oppositio."

aid tells troubled king looking out over the angry mob around the castle, you dont have to fight them, you just have to convince the pitchfork people that the torch people want to take away their pitchforks. satirical cartoon reveals the ploy. evoking, this is no time for pitchforks vs torches.

yup. this is no time for pitchforks vs torches. the hour is later than we think. and, we can still mend this.

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In fact, if we compare the 3 fascist regimes European:
* Mussolini in italy
* Salazar in Portugal
* Franco in Spain

The common elements are:
* regime supported by the great Bourgeoisie of the country
* a charismatic leader
* an anti-communist and reactionary policy
* the use of police and militia forces to suppress internal revolts
*a desire for colonial expansion

These are characteristics found in the Macron regime... but not yet in Trump

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These are characteristics found in the Macron regime… but not yet in Trump


Do you not get news about the USA where you live? The Trump regime has all those characteristics. Yes, strange as it may seem, to many people Trump has charisma. As for colonies, he wants to take land from Denmark and Panama, and he wants all of Canada.

When I read the article I posted, I seriously wondered if Trump has read about Mussolini and is very consciously trying to follow his plan.

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Very sorry to contradict you, but
* his regime is not supported by the great Bourgeoisie of the country (wich support the Democrats instead)
* he doesn't use the police or a militia forces to suppress internal revolts
* and what you call "a desire for colonial expansion" is only a commercial desire to have free shipping. He even removes US troops from Syria

so he is not a fascist what ever you want he is
(From my point of view he is even trying to stop the wars were US are, even if it's not (still) a success)

in reference to your article :
where do you see a militaristic group ?
do you think that Trump had been raised in a leftist family ?
He is not "invited to rule" but was elected !
He didn't wrote any book about fascism or totalisarism
nor has invaded any country
he is not the creator of guantanamo or others camps

nothing in common with Mussolini (he s just a capitalist who want to make more money with the labor of others as every ones)

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^ Obvious propaganda. Trump himself says he wants to expand the US to include Canada and Greenland - and has said so many times. And as for the “Bourgeoisie”, this pseudointellectual term cannot hide the fact that Trump’s government is almost exclusively headed by Billionaires who favor tax-breaks and semi-military action against migrants…

"where do you see a militaristic group?" -- ICE, of course."

"he is not the creator of guantanamo or others camps" -- “creator” is misleading _he is using these camps, which is virtually the same thing, he “creates” their usage every day.

As for “elected” - people have been known to make mistakes. Sometimes terrible mistakes.

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He said the same thing with Panama, but when BlackRock bought the two Chinese ports, he said he had achieved his goal!

To have a lot of money doesn’t make you a member of the bourgeoisie ( who are more the first families)

ICE is a regular police and not a milicia

to my knowledge he doesn’t use any of theses camps on the US territory (what doesn Obama for his part)

mistake may be, but it seems to me that the process of election give always a mistake (by given the power to somone else)

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ICE is a regular police and not a milicia - you are mischaracterizing ICE. They are highly militarized, and you are intentionally misleading in your portrait. Lying.

"first families" sounds nice. King of the Bourgeoisie is more accurate. Get your "family values" out of here.

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I'm not sure you know your country... you will see the difference when a milicia will come...
ice.gov/
bad faith does not make a good comment
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The term bourgeoisie is used by those who divide humanity into two groups: bourgeoisie and proletariat. The proletariat work for the bourgeoisie.


Trump is the most powerful, and most dangerous, person in the world. Most people outside France don't know who Macron is, or care.

The second most dangerous person is Xi, then Putin. Germany has the largest economy in Europe, and the UK has the largest military. Sorry, but I'm just not worried about France and Macron.

Also, what's the deal with mentioning fascism in Italy, Portugal, and Spain, and not mentioning Germany and Hitler? Was Hitler not fascist?

Or are you just trying to defend Trump?

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I don't but making false assertions doesn't make any good
and yes bourgeoisie is against proletariat that is the point for fascism

(it seems that a lot of people confuse fascism and dictatorship or authoritarianism, but they are different concepts)

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(and any person that can access the atomic bomb is a dangerous person, so Macron is one of them)
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The proletariat work for the bourgeoisie. And Trumo is the self-proclaimed King.
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it seems that a lot of people confuse fascism and dictatorship or authoritarianism

Such as yourself. Trumo is the leader of the elite bourgeoisie, and has successfully captured the (false) consciousness of much of the proletariat - the lumpenproletariat.

But we need not and should not digress into simple-minded Marxist terminology, but instead focus upon the facts of the matter. Who is subjugating whom, and who is profiting from this dynamic. All this is very clear.

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There are some efforts, but they are pale:

apnews.com/article/chris-murph…

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what makes Bourgeoisie is not to work for them (there are many people who have other people who work for them) but that they are a class of people who recognize themselves as a class that does not work but has “capital”

There’s class warfare, all right. But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."
Warren Buffett
snopes.com/fact-check/warren-b…


do you think that Warren Buffett estimate that Trump is from his class ?

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it seems that a lot of people confuse fascism and dictatorship or authoritarianism, but they are different concepts


Not in English.

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no I don't confuse : Fascism need militia (not militaristic), in every fascist states you have those militias ruled by the "leader" (Brown shirt, Black shirt ...) that can have a militaristic form but that are not regular (not led by the state)

it seems that the definitions are very different even in english
britannica.com/topic/fascism
britannica.com/topic/dictators…
britannica.com/topic/authorita…

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Trump's militia are the Proud Boys and similar groups. He encouraged them to attack the White House when he was trying to prevent the election of Biden, and has now pardoned them all - even those who attacked, injured and killed police officers.
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in this term?
or do you confuse with the previous one? 😀
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The definitions in those three Britannica articles seem quite similar to me. Certainly not "very different."
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^ Indeed. We are worrying words, when it is function we need to address.
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The problem we all want to avoid is the concentration of power. It's not that the wrong people rule; it's how few people rule all the others. We want to diffuse power, not concentrate it.

Trump believes we here in the US want one strong person to take control and solve our problems for us. A friend of mine from Siberia thinks Russians brought Putin to power because that's what they wanted.

I don't think a strong leader can solve my problems because the problem I want to solve is too much power in too few hands.

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that is a confusion !
the Brown shirt was the SA, not the SS
the SS was the regular army, the SA was the militia of the nazi parti (even before they was at the governement)

Fascism need the mixing with the rich/industrials/bourgeoisie
Dictatoship only need to take the absolute power without effective constitutional limitations.
authoritarianism need the submission to authority and the repression of individual freedom of thought and action

but in your case in USA, you only have someone who want to change the actual policy that goes to globalism to a new policy that goes to nationalism (don't take care of the rest of the world)

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Oh wow. @pal really is trying to defend Trump. Good luck with that.
@pal
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The quality of information from the trump defender appears to be on par with the usual AI slop
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why do you want that I defend someone who don't care about me ? (Im not American) ?
I just say that he's not fascist but he's not my cup of tea