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I just spent the last two hours debugging the Bluetooth stack *in anger* because for the last few weeks I've had to re-pair my mouse with my laptop. Every time. Remove mouse, re-pair.

Turns out I had two identical mice in my backpack and I've been switching between them.

It was me.

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Jonathan Schuster
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You figured it out in only 2 hours? That still sounds like a win, compared to some other personal equipment debugging sessions I've had.
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EndlessMason
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@rotopenguin
Can they both be paired at the same time?
@ROTOPE~1
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Leeloo
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@EndlessMason @rotopenguin Not when you remove one before you pair the other. And now that the problem has been found, there's no reason to try.

Logically, it shouldn't beva problem to pair both at the same time, but some BT stacks are limited. I wouldn't expect it to be a problem in a pc, the limited stacks are usually in embedded devices.

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This could totally be me, as I have multiple Logitech M720 3-device mice that can work with dongles or Bluetooth. One is for my home use, the other for my road use, because I loathe trackpads. I only use Bluetooth when attaching to my iPhone or iPad, though. For my desktops and laptops, I use the dongles.
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sandy
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I feel terrible for you Scott, but this story has filled my heart with joy, so your sacrifice wasn't in vain
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Julia Clement
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I once had 3 computers controlled from 3 keyboards & mice on my desktop. After much swearing and self induced confusion I used a bright yellow paint pen from my local Daiso to write "Desktop", "Laptop" & "RPi" as appropriate on them.
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gkrnours
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that's a benefit of colorful stuff. You can have two mechanically identical item but one is grape purple and the other is lime green and there is no way you mix up the two
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รžรณr Sigurรฐsson
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But... even if they're identical, they still have different BDA/BMAC and as such should be able to stay paired, both of them?

Funny still though ๐Ÿ˜†

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bitbonk
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Lesson learned:

If you ignore a problem long enough, it will go away.

(The battery from the other mouse would have eventually died.)

๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜Š

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KewlCat
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I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree there. Why the heck isn't your laptop capable of remembering two Bluetooth mice, and using whichever one is present at the moment?
The de-pairing is the problem. Not you.
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@KewlCat no, the issue was I would pull out a mouse, move it around and see that it wasnโ€™t pairing. Then I would go and remove and repair the other mouse. Then the next day I would pull out the other mouse, move it and see if it didnโ€™t work, remove and repair this mouse. If I had simply paired them both I never wouldโ€™ve known there were two mice in my bag
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KewlCat
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Oh. Wow. I missed the voluntary de-pairing part. That really does make it worse than I thought ๐Ÿ˜…
I'm so sorry+relieved for you!
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@jernej__s @KewlCat I like a tidy Bluetooth list. Same on my Mac and iPhone. I donโ€™t like vestigial Bluetooth devices
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@jernej__s @KewlCat that's actually been one of my great questions. I use a car sharing service. I connect to every car to get maps, music etc...
As I do so, I'm under the impression the car system imports some of my phone information.

So every time I'm done with a car, I take the time to remove my phone from the car, and vice versa.
But what would happen if I didn't? Some of my data stays with the car?

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@jernej__s @KewlCat same here. I also clean up my wifi list.

I really like that you can rename Bluetooth devices, and I wish there was a way to nickname WiFi access points to keep the list better organized. I canโ€™t remember where ARRIS-8262-5G was.

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Jernej SimoncฬŒiฤ ๏ฟฝ
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@jyunderwood @KewlCat Hah, the only time I bother removing anything from the WiFi network list is when I need to remove a specific network. As for bluetooth, I couldn't care less if there are 3 or 4 old mice listed in there.
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Reminds me, a customer's "touchpad broken, clicking doesn't work as if it was stuck".

I tried everything on the laptop I could think of, putting my Linux knowhow to good use. Nothing helped, I said sorry and let's monitor a bit and then send a service request to Lenovo for a likely broken hardware.

A few hours later I got a call that they had found a turned on mouse from a bag, a button pressed to the wall of the bag. It was Uniifying receiver, Solaar not installed, didn't realize.

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Just the other say, I went down the path of debugging and reinstalling my reverse proxy, reinstalling certs, clearing firewall rules, reinstalling server packages... Then noticed I forgot to create a directory.

We are all too often our own worst enemies.

I mean, the service could have been more clear with the error message, so it really felt like a network issue and not a missing directory.

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There is a reason all my Bluetooth mouseโ€™s are different colors intentionally.
Time to get out the sharpie and label them ;)

That said, myself and several around me this week have had those moments where it was the simple thing that was wrong, and we just had to step back, or ask for another set of eyes, and it became obvious. It happens to all of us, especially us grey hairs.

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maschmi
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I so feel you. I had something similar once with a port-forward to an external service. Every time I logged in and touched anything I got logged out.

First I started to try and click very fast. Then I started to look at the networking. Then, after hours it clicked and I realized I was logged in to another instance of this service and my browser got confused with the cookies and the stored tokens in them.

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