I don't get the hype about Age Verification on Linux
about: leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fac…
the California age verification law for operating systems, including Linux, does not require users to provide ID or undergo any form of verification.
The law, known as AB 1043, mandates that operating system providers collect age information during account setup, but it only requires self-reporting—users simply enter their date of birth or select an age bracket.
There is no requirement for photo ID, facial recognition, or any other form of identity verification.
As noted in multiple sources: as theregister.com/2026/03/13/opi…
The system relies on user honesty, and users can lie about their age with no consequences.
The collected data is intended to be used by apps to determine age-appropriate content, but the OS itself does not verify the information.
Some Linux distributions are exploring minimal implementations (like a D-Bus interface or local config file) to comply without storing sensitive data.
In short, it's a declaration-based system, not a verification system.
@Fou
Bill Text - AB-1043 Age verification signals: software applications and online services.
AB 1043 Age verification signals: software applications and online services.leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
Unus Nemo
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The issue is escalation. It is easier to amend a law than to create it. If they came out in the beginning demanding proof then no one would approve of it. So they try to make a law which has requirement for an age signal. This gets their groundwork done. Let me give you an example.
In the United States the attempt to pass a law for Income Tax, which is unconstitutional in the the United States, was defeated over three times. When they finally made a condition that it only effected millionaires it got passed. Over the years just taxing the incomes of millionaires was not enough. So they extended the law to the middle class, and then to everyone. It is much easier to amend an existing law to their purpose than to get one passed that is as restrictive as they want it to be. Yet, they know when they get their foot in the door their mission is on the way to fruition.
Given time they will find, as they already know, that an age signal is not enough to protect the children (as they are selling it), so they will make the requirements more stringent until there will be a whole industry of Age Verification Providers. Anyone that wants to use a device with an operating system on it will have to verify with a provider which will demand a copy of their ID, Birth Certificate, etc. Our use of these devices will then be irrevocably connected to our Identification. Privacy will no longer exist.
This is what the so-called hype is about.
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Yes, they are trying to set the groundwork that will let them create the ultimate surveillance of the Internet. Where they can tell what each and every person on the internet is doing at any time. Where privacy will not even be an illusion. And we are supposed to trust that our governments will not misuse this information as they have misused all of the other power we have given them historically. I am not confident at all that it will not be misused. The only faith I have in our governments is that they are greedy and corrupt and will misuse every power we give to them.
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They pass laws that violate human rights everyday in the name of security and protection.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" ~ Benjamin Franklin
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Unus Nemo
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By the way, this effects us directly as Fedora users. Fedora is funded by Red Hat and Red Hat is owned by IBM. Because IBM is based in Colorado where such laws are being passed as we speak you can be assured that Fedora will have no legal choice except comply or end their distribution.
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Right, just like Income Tax only effected the rich, until it did not.
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I imagine, but it does not effect him directly. As he produces no OS, he is only the maintainer of the Kernel he created. So he is under no burden by these laws. Only those that use his Kernel and then distribute the distro they create.
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Unus Nemo
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I may be going back to home rolled (Linux From Scratch) Gnu/Linux after all. As it is not effected as long as you are not distributing an OS this age verification does not apply. We can still use our own OSes that we build, on our hardware.
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Well, it is not like when I first started home rolling Gnu/Linux. There are great resources out there. I suggest you get copies while they still exist, even if you do not use them right away.
Linux From Scratch
At least you can have the books on hand for when you need them.
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By the way, systemd is an early adopter of this age verification, if you have not heard. If you use systemd in your own OS build be sure to vet their sources.
There are books for building with systemd and SysVinit even though I prefer systemd, I believe I will revert back to SysVinit.
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in reply to Plan-A • •@Fou mhm,
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Yes, building your own operating system is a viable — and increasingly relevant — way to maintain full control over your digital environment, especially as laws like California’s AB 1043 lay the groundwork for system-level user tracking.
You can create a custom Linux-based OS tailored to your privacy, performance, and usability needs.
Most approaches fall into two categories:
1. Remix an Existing Distro (Recommended for most)
Use tools like:
Debian Live (live-build): Customize Ubuntu/Debian ISOs, add/remove packages, apply branding.
Archiso: Build from Arch Linux, ideal for lightweight, rolling-release systems.
SUSE Studio (web-based): Create custom openSUSE images with GUI tools.
Cubic (Ubuntu-focused): GUI tool to modify Ubuntu ISOs easily.
These let you strip out telemetry, enforce encryption, harden the kernel, and embed privacy tools (e.g., firewall rules, Tor, OpenSnitch) by default.
this is the easy approach instead building from scratch.
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Unus Nemo
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Yes, but if you are starting with a corrupt base system that has age verification built in then you better know what you are doing to get rid of it. One way to learn how to do this is by experimenting and learning with Linux From Scratch. This way at least you will know where to look in the distro you are using as a base in order to sanitize it.
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Unus Nemo
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Keep in mind that moving forward some distros packages may require age signaling to work. So you would need to build your own packages anyway. This is probably not going to happen in the near future. Yet, that is what I would have said about OS age verification last year too ...
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in reply to Unus Nemo • — (0.0.0.0) •Also I want it to be immutable but that is not an issue if I make it myself.
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You are in luck, because by default OCI containers are immutable. We add the persistence to them where needed. So you will have no issue with making it immutable as that is the default.
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Unus Nemo
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Keep in mind that a container is to protect your host from the container, not vice versa. If your host system is compromised then the container is compromised as well. No matter how well you make your container.
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in reply to Unus Nemo • — (0.0.0.0) •They threaten the whole internet with that!
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Why should I care if the Nazis are killing the Jews? I am not Jewish.
Besides it effects you. As I stated above Fedora is funded by Red Hat, Red Hat is owned by IBM which is based in Colorado. Which means after 1-Jan-2027 Fedora will have to age verify. This will indirectly effect many that do not believe it effects them.
This also effects the many distros based on Fedora.
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Wulfy—Speaker to the machines
in reply to Plan-A • • •#Australia has introduced age verification to socials.
You can bet, if there is some kind of #civilliberties shitfuckery about, it's a global initiative by #technonazis and/or our owners.
This "age verification" bullshit is purely about ending anonymity on the net.
Full surveillance with no court orders to #deidentify.
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This just reiterates what I have already stated earlier in this thread. So of course I agree.