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in reply to Pheonix

Certainly not the first time Google has elected to remove someone's access to that person's own data!

And it's not like there are contact details easily available for how to get in touch with a human being to sort that out, or even just, you know, *get a friggin' archive that you can restore to some other service* or even locally on your own computer and keep working.

Basically, when this happens you're toast.

Own your data!

Absolute minimum: HAVE GOOD BACKUPS.

@pheonix

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in reply to mkj

As a separate note, this is also one of the reasons why I dislike the idea of using the same service provider for everything. Spread things out. Balkanize your Internet footprint. It might be a little less convenient, but it means that a single company, maybe even by a single mistake or a single failed card payment or someone successfully guessing a single password, can't *simultaneously* lock you out of, say, your (1) email, (2) documents, (3) passwords, and (4) phone.

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in reply to mkj

@mkj
3-2-1

three backups on two different types of device and 1 is placed offsite

@mkj
in reply to οΏ½

@utf_7 Oh, we can certainly talk about *how* to back data up. I posted about my own backup scheme at michael.kjorling.se/blog/2024/… a year and a half ago; a few details have changed, but it's broadly the same.

But how many who use cloud services like (in the example in this thread) Google Docs have *any* backup whatsoever of that data, let alone a recent one which they can use to pick back up where they were?

Having *any* backup at all is about a billion times better than having none.

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in reply to mkj

@mkj @utf_7 They have backups of the data in the sense of "our corpus for mining information valuable to advertisers and now AI". What they don't have is backups you can access as the actual legitimate owner of the data.
in reply to Cassandrich

@dalias @mkj @utf_7
yeah, that's been true for every time I've heard of this happening. Google doesn't return the files to the writer. But they're used by algorithms indefinitely.
in reply to Acin β˜†

@shadowfals @mkj @utf_7 How someone holding your data organizes their backups tells you a lot about what they think about ownership.
in reply to Pheonix

I understand people using the so-called cloud for back-ups or sharing content but if someone creates something what would possess them to have the only copies on servers they do not control. Anything I create is stored on my hard drive and backed up to my own external drive.
in reply to Robin Adams

@robinadams
I could see that but I would still be saving it locally as often as practicable, just in case so only the last changes might be lost if the "cloud' goes belly up so to speak.
in reply to Pheonix

I do multiple backups, thumb drive, my blogs, "Delectable Mountains" writers' site
in reply to Pheonix

Don't trust Google, at least.
There are a number of zero-knowledge cloud services out there - I use Mega, Spider Oak is another. They only store encrypted stuff, so can't scan it for terms of service violations. (You need your own tools to create docs of course).
Still some level of trust involved, but much less chance of censorship.
cbackup.com/articles/zero-know…
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