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Hello EU people:

There is an EU citizen petition to ban the use of "conversion therapy" on LGBTQ+ folks (i.e., trying to de-LGBTQ us— a process often described as "torture"). If you're interested, you can sign it here:

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

Please especially take note if you are a national of Spain, Slovenia, Belgium, or the Netherlands; the petition needs about 5x as many votes as it has now, but also needs to hit a threshold in four additional countries, and those are the four closest.

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EU citizens, if you want in while you can, there's a EU citizen's petition for the EU to ban "conversion therapy" (this is as ominous as it sounds) of LGBTQs, with 7 days left to sign.

It will not make the threshold, but might be able to rack up a few more country thresholds— I'm happy to note Spain just hit it. Belgium and The Netherlands are the next best bets as they're over 65%; If you know queer-friendly folks in those countries, maybe a good time to forward this:

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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Btw, is conversion therapy of neurodivergent people already banned in the EU?
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hmm, it told me i did already support it
well done past me
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Signed it... At least I can say when they came for the trans people and I did something.
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unfortunately dutch digid times out 🫤
I've tried before to sign European petitions, never got it to work yet
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You do see what's going on, right @EUCommission ? Do we really have to spell it out for you?
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Apropos of nothing, I read some real science about this stuff and there are over 40 biological sexes.

Reality doesn't get a voice.

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I would but my Nationality is British and that excludes me even though I have left the sinking island and have lived in Europe for many years.

Stupid petitions.

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Signed it! Come on Dutch people! We can do this.
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I have a dutch passport but don't have an id so I can't sign 😓
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I hope there is... it is frustrating to be ignored in the UK - because I don't live there - and then be ignored here, because I still have British Nationality! 🤦‍♂️
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I'm not a citizen yet, but for now, I can boost.
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The EU is a crazy place, imagine banning actual torture
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They require a lot of PII for signing something as simple as a petition ...
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Wow, Belgium is now at 95%, Slovenia is at 69% and the Nederlands are at 67%
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every time I see this I'm sad that I can't sign it because the UK isn't in the EU any more. stupidity abound on every front.
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Germany +1

Wobei ich mich komischerweise nicht mit der eID Ausweisen konnte…

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Belgium has passed 100%! Next one may be Netherlands, currently at 71%
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It's a shock to learn this is still a thing. 🙁
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I was reading the petition demands that are rightly detailed.

I started wondering whether "Provide a clear, precise and comprehensive definition of conversion practices, which shall cover all practices that seek to change [...] a person's [...] gender identity [...]" could be misinterpreted (wilfully, perhaps) by some as including voluntarily-chosen HRT for trans people that has a positive rather than negative psychological effect, unlike what this is combatting.

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Okay big news on the EU citizen petition to ban the use of "conversion therapy" (IE "curing" or perhaps "torturing into submission") on LGBTQs—

BE, NL and SI came through and last night the initiative *met* the 7 countries goal! It needs 330,000 more signatures before the 17th to pass, which sounds rough, but it's got *420,887* in just 5 days, so things are actually on a good pace. This will at least be really close, and this could happen!

EU citizens can sign at: eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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Oh wow. Big push for the Netherlands which I was shocked to see below threshold not long ago.
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not-so-funny sidenote: there's a FI citizen petition for the same subject now in the parliament, but as we are saddled with at least one religious party in power, they're just stalling the handling. Why? Because they can.

And also because they are thoroughly foul people as well, but I guess that was obvious already.

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You don't need to sign up for an account or anything.

It literally takes only a minute to enter your information so they can check if you're actually a real person.

I find this important to mention with these things.

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I am actually appalled to learn that this still happens in Europe...
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@trisschen Perhaps there is more information on the EU pages about the initiative system?
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do you know when exactly the deadline is? if it’s late enough, local IDAHOBIT events might be a good opportunity to campaign and get it to pass last-minute?
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@meadow It was a 1 year limit… that's pretty good compared to some analagous things other services do. ps nice display name
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The deadline is concerning, but I hope you all get enough signatures soon enough. Why put such a limit on it? Oh right... To prevent change. 🙄
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If someone doesn't know if s*he already signed (like me), no prob, just try again, it will tell you if you already did
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@meadow it turns out that a deadline is actually a really good motivator because we've increased signatures by like 3x in the last week
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Thank you. We quite like it. 💚

And we stand corrected. We were under the impression this is something which was only going on for a few weeks. Our pessimism got the better of us.

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It is 7 AM CEST. The EU citizen initiative calling for a ban on "conversion therapy" (here meaning, pseudoscientific attempts to "cure" LGBTQs) is less than 250,000 votes from success. This is astounding, the votes have like, *tripled* in a week.

The page says voting ends "May 17", and I wish I knew if that meant "at midnight tonight" or "midnight tomorrow" or what. Uh. Do you know

Germany is ~6,000 local votes from endorsing it. Are there 6,000 Germans on this website

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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France is responsible for over half the votes, dayum
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@stefan Thank you for signing!
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I did sign it just today (from germany) not much more I can do other than boostin lol
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I think it would be easier to collect votes if you added short information, how this therapy works and what it means for further life, how people concerned feel afterwards. This is not known in general.
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It's at 23h59 tomorrow, according to many different sources including the petition organizers.
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Germany has gone from 75% yesterday to 93% now. Fewer than 4500 signatures needed ...
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it's also important** to mention that this is an official EU website, they already have the data you have to give them to sign - it's not like it's some mid shadiness proxy petition site

**maybe lowering activation energy for signature

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Come on #Germany and #Portugal! It would be disappointing if we do not reach the threshold and the petition does not make it to the European Commission. It took 361 days to make 500000 people sign and it took two days for 300000 extra. I think it's possible to reach 1000000 today!
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steadily increasing at a rate of 500 votes/minute, IF this keeps up, it'll be done in around 5h :o

Of course keeping it up requires everyone's support in shouting it from the rooftops

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I would imagine 23.59 CET (11.59pm Central Europe time) on Saturday 17 May
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The process of signing it is a bit offensive, the EU wants to read your ID card…

I was also confused by the text, because it is so broad that the “or others” include the hormonal therapies for trans people, which are not pseudo-medicine, but they do alter the gender expression of these people (as desired).

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Yeah it's maddening that the exact closing time is not posted on the website. In normal business, I would assume that "deadline 17 May" means: submit by 16 May 23:59. But I have seen some people post with apparent confidence that it's 17 May 23:59.

(CEST? CET? Le sigh.)

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Nur noch heute und morgen: Petition gegen Conversion Therapy! Viele Unterschriften braucht es nicht mehr!

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50K in 3 hours so should be possible before midnight
freeradical.zone/@tanghus/1145…
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Thank you for your help promoting!

Amazing, more than 900.000 signatures. Hundreds of thousands have signed this week.

EU citizens: IT REALLY TAKES ONE MINUTE TO SIGN. Just your name and your ID number. No registration, no electronic ID, nothing. DO IT NOW because the deadline is tomorrow.

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France at 880% making everyone else look bad, hot damn
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@KitCatalina you don't have to be living in Germany no
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@ppscrv @nitrml yeah, I only called attention to Germany because Mastodon has a very large German contingent— I was being just a little jokey with my wording
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@nitrml A good and important point. I just want DE to get there, because it is where I live and I want to see the map change.
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@mirabilos You're not a website
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@ppscrv there are already enough countries above threshold, it wont matter whether Germany reaches 99% or 150%.. the important thing is getting the remaining 200.000 signatures overall from the entire EU
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do you need to have a German address, im German but living overseas
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Oh heck, France really pulling through! I feel a sudden urge to put on a beret! 🇫🇷
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@nitrml The map looks nicer. I'd like Sweden to make it, too; but the 1000000 is the target and it is getting close ...
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would be amazing to see this get over the line in time for #Eurovision
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OKAY WOW. WOW. THE WHOLE THING WHILE I WAS SLEEPING. WOW.

The EU citizen initiative petitioning the European Parliament to outlaw "conversion therapy" ("curing" LGBTs via torture) has met its threshold (1M votes and 8 countries supporting).

One week ago I sincerely thought y'all wouldn't make it. Amazing work Europe (and hi5 Germany, now country 8).

This is an incredible statement at a time the US/UK govt are forcing conversion (medical detransition) for trans minors.

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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I graphed it in realtime. Around lunchtime to mid afternoon it was getting more than 6 signatures per second for 4 hours straight.

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sounds like you should sleep more. Good things happen when you sleep. 😁
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so good! And it's still going, Sweden is very close to its threshold too
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This makes me so happy to see that so many people understand how awful conversion therapy is and care.
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UPDATE: Nine. 9 countries. Sweden passed the threshold *while I was writing that last post*.

The "end of the collection period" is May 17 (so seven hours from now… plus 24 if the person who told me it's *EOD* May 17 is correct) so if you're an EU national you can still vote to run up the numbers and convince EU Parliament you're serious. Also:

- If 4,343 Italians sign, it's ten countries endorsing
- 5,308 Austrians makes it eleven
- 6,794 from Portugal makes it twelve

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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very few needed to get Denmark across the line too.

and France is only 400 signatures away from 1000%

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ANOTHER UPDATE: About three minutes ago on the website, France literally hit 1000% support for the anti-"Conversion Therapy" initiative. France really showed up here, with ten times the threshold support FR is literally half the supporters on this initiative. Apparently the people of France really, REALLY don't want their trans friends medically tortured

(if this is a boost, see upthread for explanation)

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@worr The webpage emphasizes this is online signatures. Will there be additional signatures collected through a separate process offline?
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tbf it's not over yet, since there need to be 1 million *valid* signatures, and the validation happens later. Some number will be invalidated, which means that more are likely still necessary. We should keep going until the very end and push well past 1 mil (I guess past 1 mil 20k last I checked).
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The 2200 from Danemark seems like an attainable threshold too.
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it may be related to a few people with lots of followers (singers Angèle and Hoshi, but also author @bouletcorp2 ) sharing the initiative in the last remaining days. Good job indeed!
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@nononymous @fox on my phone I can get the map by tapping the menu in my browser and selecting "request desktop site". Then just tapping the countries gives me stats.
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@fox when you go on the petition page, on desktop (don’t see it on mobile), you have the map

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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let's hope It doesn't end in a petition or a "for 2050 we aim to have 20% less convertion therapy"

Still happy to see people wants us to be safe, makes me quite a bit less worried about losing my friends

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🩵🩷🤍 it’s so nice to see some positive news like this right now
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@maccuinneagain But the faq said that the petition calls on the commission to propose legislation *to* the parliament? So isn't that just an extra step? To be clear my instance limits me to 500 characters D:
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slight amendment. The petition calls on the Commission to propose legislation, not the parliament.

And it is excellent news to see it reach the target.

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allez les frères et sœurs, du beau boulot ! 🎇
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I’m having a problem understanding your convoluted grammer.

Is it go for therapy or no go.

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@ipd I'm sorry, there is a 500 character limit and it makes my text awkward…

The proposed law bans therapists from trying to turn LGBTQs into straights.

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I like that law. Personal choice and autonomy. Is it passing or not, so far?

Spectrum plus you tube interruption with psyop ads == brain injury and diminished mental capacity today. Or you got any spare spoons?

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@ipd The initiative has met its signature goal. So unless signatures are disqualified later, it is given to the European Commission, who writes a law, and gives that to the European Parliament to debate.
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... aaaaaand Italy made it.
Italy!
What's next? Poland?

Come on, Denmark, just 1800 votes to go!

(I can't remember /when/ I voted, just that back then, I saw no chance in hell of this ever getting the necessary support. Wow.)

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@Yendolosch Visiting Rome for a conference right now. There are pride flags everywhere and "trans rights" and "trans rage" graffiti in the street.
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And Italy hit the threshold as well now. So it’s now nine countries. And it’s a good chunk above the required million votes. If this keeps up and there are indeed 24 more hours to go, this initiative might hit 2 million votes.
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@maccuinneagain Isn't this just how the EU works?

"The Commission is the only EU institution empowered to initiate EU legal acts. It submits proposals for EU legal acts on its own initiative, at the request of other EU institutions or following a citizens' initiative."

consilium.europa.eu/en/council…

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I just wanted to say that I woke up today and saw this post (8am CEST). I thought: "well that's a cool initiative. I guess I'll sign this. Also gonna tell my (50% queer) friend group and family about this, but let's face it: 200.000 Signatures in less than a day? Not gonna happen."

And now, we're not that far from hitting TWICE AS MUCH signatures. This kind of made my day.

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@directhex You signed it with plenty of time to spare tbh
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Do you know that you made this happen? Not all on your own, sure. But you never gave up despite hope being low. It was one of your posts that first made me see this. And boost it. And boost it again. And of course sign it and then make my family and friends and colleagues sign as well. Be proud of yourself, you deserve it. 💪
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There are ~7 hours left in the EU citizens initiative ( eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/… ) asking the EU parliament to ban "conversion therapy" (pseudo-medical efforts to "cure" queers). It's at 1.2 million votes over 1 million; surplus votes are good because some votes may be disqualified, so EU nationals, it's still worth voting!

One thing I notice, it looks like DENMARK and CROATIA are *so* close to passing— under 1000 votes each. Does anyone here know how to inject a message in the Danish internet?

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I gave it a shot: mastodon.online/@atjn/11452402…

Seems like the Danish channels are already flooded with posts about it, maybe there arent enough danes on Mastodon yet?

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@atjn Or maybe we've just flooded the Danish part of Mastodon, yeah 😀 Maybe everyone likely to see it has already voted.
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@worr Right, I just wondered if there could (hypothetically) be a situation where they get 1,100,000 online signatures and 100,000 get invalidated but then separately they collect 100,001 signatures offline.
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I don't think so, what I meant is that they go through and invalidate signatures that appear fraudulent for whatever reason.
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people underestimate how strong La France Insoumise, our radical left party, is. There was a massive communication to help with this initiative, and we delivered.

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