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WE HAVE TO GET YOU MORE LETTERS

YOU CAN ATTACH AN 8MB JPEG TO POSTS BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE ENOUGH LETTERS TO TYPE FOR SOME REASON?

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill @light
Tweets having 140 character limit made sense before smartphones, when we used Twitter via sms (text 40404) . Not sure why Mastodon castrates itself for any reason other than fetish.

Does any Mastodon instance have Twitter-like text messaging or did they ever? I remember statusnet had xmpp built in but I don't think we ever had proper texting set up. (Maybe this is something revolver should consider)

As long as Mastodon is wearing a chastity belt, the char length be 140 instead of 280 (tweets 2.0 - now twice as much) / 500 (toots are almost twice as big as tweets 2.0 but 500 is a nice round number) because it's a number that actually makes sense

maybe they can get government funding from EU to implement sms integration to make it easier for the government to protect their users.

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> when we used Twitter via sms

I joined in the brief window when there was a website but all these people were using SMS and before phone numbers became compulsory to join, so I have a rare Twitter account that has no phone number associated.

> Not sure why Mastodon castrates itself for any reason other than fetish.

They get confused a lot. "It's like Twitter but it's also like email but if email didn't have Nazis!"

> because it's a number that actually makes sense

There are only three good kinds of number: primes, powers of two, and powers of two less one. (It's a flag, not a float, so Mersenne primes are just good, not better. Three itself is also a good number because it is a Mersenne prime. FSE's initial character limit was 4096 and everyone made fun of me because I had lowered it from 5000 so I made it 8192 and I still hit the limit sometimes so now it is 16384 and this is fine so far. I rarely have more than 16kB to say, although it's 16384 *characters* and thus could be much larger because UTF-8.)

> maybe they can get government funding from EU to implement sms integration to make it easier for the government to protect their users.

This will help Mastodong add age verification.
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@sampler @icedquinn @fish @strypey @silverpill @light The reason is Gargron was autistic about his vision of a Twitter replacement and posts longer than 500 chars look ugly in the UI. It's a problem that will never get fixed because Mastodon desperately wants to be a Twitter alternative including the way it looks and displays threads.

The actual solution would be to widen the post view and decrease post text size, but that is too much to ask.

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> posts longer than 500 chars look ugly in the UI

They look just fine in FediBBS. He should try having a better frontend. (Tweetdeck has always sucked.)
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> WE HAVE TO GET YOU MORE LETTERS

If multi-post threads really bother you I can switch to my Friendica account. I keep forgetting I have it, and I *hate* the cludgy interface with a burning passion. But if you *really* need me to ...

> He should try having a better frontend. (Tweetdeck has always sucked.)

The default Masto interface is modelled on Pinafore and has been for years. Although the one modeled on TD is still there as an opt-in.

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> If multi-post threads really bother you

Not really, it just seems like at some point, tagging overhead eats the limit. Even Twitter stopped doing that, like, tags and links stopped counting towards the character limit. Mastodon *could* do the former because tags are an extra field (and more or less unconstrained).

I do think that it does make threads harder to read and participate in (by increasing the likelihood of duplication: if you have two paragraphs and the second one covers something relevant to the first, but people that go chronologically see the first one and then write a different version of your second paragraph before finding your second paragraph; this can compound, it is very funny when it does), but I'm just pokin' yer ribs, I ain't tore up.

> The default Masto interface is modelled on Pinafore and has been for years. Although the one modeled on TD is still there as an opt-in.

Ah. I mean...you see the UI that I wrote and use, I'm not sure what Pinafore *is*. (And if it gives you an idea, I used to use the bitlbee Twitter backend as my only Twitter interface. Until they killed off *all* alternative clients, you could have a reasonable time with Twitter by treating it like an IRC channel.)

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> tags and links stopped counting towards the character limit

In Mastodon there's now a cap on how many characters each tag, link and @mention use up. One of the few benefits of this is limiting people's ability to spam me with massive numbers of links, tags and/or @mentions.

github.com/nolanlawson/pinafor…

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> people that go chronologically see the first one and then write a different version of your second paragraph

Even if posts don't include a clear indicator of a multi-post reply, as mine do, all people need to do to avoid replying out of context is to click on the post and check it. Even for standalone posts in ongoing threads, this is basic good sense, to avoid replying to a thread about jazz ('hep cats') with an OT comment about a furry companion : P

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> I'm not sure what Pinafore *is*

Single-column, third-party client;

I used it for years, to avoid Mastodon's bonkers TweetDeck-inspired hell-UI. The only somewhat active fork I know of is Enafore;

github.com/enafore/enafore

> I used to use the bitlbee Twitter backend as my only Twitter interface

GNU social was the closest thing I regularly used to Titter (and my fediverse posts were puppeted there). Then a Mastodon cross-poster, until that stopped working.

GitHub - nolanlawson/pinafore: Alternative web client for Mastodon (UNMAINTAINED)

Alternative web client for Mastodon (UNMAINTAINED) - nolanlawson/pinafore

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light

> In Mastodon there's now a cap on how many characters each tag, link and @mention use up.

As usual, they appear to have done something ridiculous.

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> they appear to have done something ridiculous

Huh?

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light Using *character* count to limit *tags* is really effin' stupid, especially given that you could just limit the number of tags if you cared about that. Doing it by character count is, like...you could do this in nginx already anyway. It's really stupid.

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> Using *character* count to limit *tags* is really effin' stupid

Why? What serious problem(s) are caused by doing it this way?

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light For one thing, short names on short instances producing short tags. They've enshrined as behavior some half-assed incorrect encoding of the *intended* behavior and this is how you end up with crusty, shitty behavior that is *mandated* because otherwise it doesn't *work*.

This is why Mastodon should be completely ignored by protocol implementors: they want to be the Mastodon Network, fine, let them. Stop letting them stomp on protocol design because someone on a jithub issue whined until someone did the dumbest fucking implementation that solved half of the wrong problem. It is time to cut them loose.

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> This is why Mastodon should be completely ignored by protocol implementors

Ignoring what the implementation used by the vast majority of people in the network is not how protocol standardisation works. But you do you.

evilmaid.net/blog/trusting-tru…

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light

> Ignoring what the implementation used by the vast majority of people in the network is not how protocol standardisation works.

Neither is allowing them to dictate the protocol by letting them ignore the process and then forcing other implementers to play catch-up. At some point, you just let them do whatever and give them "best effort as long as it's not too much of a pain in the ass".

> But you do you.

I can't be stopped.

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @sampler @silverpill @light Eventually that will be the case when they decide to do something dumb. A good example of what is to come is the quote "consent" they decided to do. Nobody but Mastodon cared to implement it fully yet and those that implemented it, implemented it partially so quotes actually work and plan to use the "consent" revocation differently than what Mastodon wants.

If they make a change that causes a full on network split that is hard to deal with, few developers would care enough to fix it I think. Same with ActivityPub 2.0 being backwards incompatible. Before this thread I genuinely don't remember the last time I had a pleasant interaction with someone using Mastodon that isn't from this Fediverse part. Loosing Mastodon means nothing to me.

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@phnt @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light i do think fedi in general is a failure and nostr is technically more competent. my only meaningful complaint is that type codes should have been strings. they still could become strings given json supports that.

the fact that there is a range of service options over there (some discord-likes, some twitter-likes, some IRC-likes and even a whatcd style invitation pyramid server) that all mostly just do the thing is kind of damning.

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> fedi in general is a failure and nostr is technically more competent

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>It is time to cut them loose.

It is becoming clear that this is not going to happen. Just look at the list of "Consent-respecting quote posts" implementers: codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src…

Pleroma is next: git.pleroma.social/pleroma/ple…

I don't think it will be any different with FASPs and encryption.

fep/fep/044f/fep-044f.md at main

fep - Fediverse Enhancement Proposals

^Codeberg.org

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> Just look at the list of "Consent-respecting quote posts" implementers

You don't have to spend much effort convincing me that people keep spreading their cheeks for the Masterdong; I think they should not and intend to not do so myself.

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@silverpill i don't really get the point of what that spec is meant to do. you put stuff in public. someone replied to it. that's the point of putting it out in public.

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> i don't really get the point of what that spec is meant to do.

Quote-posts are the cancer that is killing /b/
" title=""/> But we have to make them because otherwise we're forcing marginalized people to take screenshots if they want to be passive-aggressive at a thread.

SOON:
" title=""/> Just whatever
[takes screenshots of consent-disrespecting quote-tweets]

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@silverpill i do sort of see the pain in how fedi (and void screaming platforms in general) make for terrible topical conversations though. the amount of times i'll say something about compiler errors or whatever and people ignore the OP and dive in to shit about the jews is like sure, whatever, i miss web forums but they're not coming back

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> fedi (and void screaming platforms in general)

Using fedi as a void-screaming platform is a mistake; that doesn't stop Masto but it is a way to make yourself miserable using the platform and also a way to make the platform suck.

> i'll say something about compiler errors or whatever and people ignore the OP and dive in to shit about the jews

Sure, that sucks. That is a matter of shitty people using a good platform and there is no way to hack around that.

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@silverpill proper forum platforms do deal with it, though. zulip lets people self-set topics and moderators can forcibly re-change topics. forums had pinpoint delete or migrate to new threads. threaded presentations also let you cut off and ignore a branch thats not relevant.

mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.

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> threaded presentations also let you cut off and ignore a branch thats not relevant.

This is mostly a frontend problem. "Fuck this subthread" should be a per-user deal. Webshits don't know how anything worked before Jesus "Google" Christ came from the sky to give them goddamn AJAX and they can't do shit about shit. Mail clients solved this and you don't need to implement it on the SMTP/IMAP backend, you put it in the client and let the client do killfiles. Even shitty email clients can deal with loading 1,000-message threads and displaying them at once: how many fedi clients can show you 100 posts at a time without making both the backend and the browser chug nuts?

> mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.

The solution to this is to not use Mastodong.

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>mastodon't is inherently a void screaming platform.
Mostly because Twitter is also that and Mastodon wants to be Twitter. You can't have a meaningful discussion in 500 chars, because it limits your expression into sentences with keywords more than a proper way of typing out your thoughts. Or you are forced to do 🧵1/♾ like has been the case in this thread. People made virtual thread composers that let you write a post and then convert it to 🧵1/♾ once you are finished. And people made the inverse for people that are used to writing 🧵1/♾.

Doesn't help that 🧵1/♾ people should at some point just write a blogpost, because nobody is reading a twenty reply thread.

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> because nobody is reading a twenty reply thread.

But they *are* reposting it because it's Important.

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@icedquinn @silverpill False sense of security, that's what the spec does.

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@phnt @icedquinn @silverpill false sense of control over what other people can say about you

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@Inginsub @icedquinn @silverpill "We must not claim to prevent what we cannot prevent." (Many fediverse developers don't understand this.)

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> "We must not claim to prevent what we cannot prevent." (Many fediverse developers don't understand this.)

No, this is explicitly the approach. "People think followers-only posts can't ever be seen by non-followers so we need to hack around it because otherwise we'll get cancelled by Are0h." Many such cases. Sad!

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@phnt @silverpill i think what mastodonters want is just Willow[1] and a soviet style closed city.

[1]: willowprotocol.org/

Willow - Home

Peer-to-peer protocols which scale up, down, and sideways. Sychronisable data storage, fine-grained access control, private and efficient synchronisation, and secure data delivery by any means possible.

^{willowprotocol.org}

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They don't want p2p. They get off on having a discord mommy they can cry to about unsafe people in the server.

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git.pleroma.social/pleroma/ple…

This does not implement anything meaningful in the spec and only makes quotes work on Mastodon (because they even fucked up that which worked for years before their attempt).

Trust me when I say that if the proper workflow as envisioned by Mastodon gets implemented in Pleroma, it gets patched out by most larger Pleroma instances almost immediately. Myself included, so if Nicole doesn't make it a toggle, I will. Nobody but Mastodon wants this, and I don't want the Twitter copy of hidden replies either.

WIP: Mastodon-style quote requests handling (fep-044f)

This pull request implements support for Mastodon-style quote approval flow in a limited way—ignoring the interactionPolicy of incoming objects. This is to make quotes of Pleroma users/from Pleroma users not appear as Pending forever.

^{Forgejo: Beyond coding. We forge.}

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>Myself included, so if Nicole doesn't make it a toggle, I will. Nobody but Mastodon wants this, and I don't want the Twitter copy of hidden replies either.

That is not to say that I hate the "feature" completely. To me Pleroma is about choice, so if the Mastodon way™ is implemented (which it probably will), I don't have a problem with it as long as it is an optional feature, because clearly someone wants it. Same way signed fetch is a toggle. Doesn't really matter which way. Disabling it in the backend and returning revoked/non-approved quotes as normal instead of some "hidden" field in MastoAPI, or having a toggle in the frontend that makes "hidden" quotes the normal ones.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light Good to know that you're against fully supporting Masto-quotes. But I don't see a meaningful opposition anywhere in the network. Like, what's the plan? Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits? That's exactly what they want, to defederate "problematic" implementations into a tiny echo chamber.

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light The Fediverse part I care about does not include Mastodon as I've said above. I loose almost nothing if they stop federating tomorrow. So if they want to split from me into some normie mainstream network, their loss, I didn't care anyway. This Fediverse will continue to exist and arguably be better without them.

But to answer your question properly in the perspective of someone helping with server development and not a user, I've been vocal about the issues with new proposals as you've probably seen many times already and I will continue to do so. But it's not like someone at Mastodon actually cares about criticism, they are the GNOME of this network. W3C is a different beast and so far has been focused on things nobody cares about (C2S and OAuth2 discovery for C2S). If they decide to do something stupid, like pushing more JSON-LD, I've been also vocal about that, but not like I can do much than that when Evan blocked me over the grant disagreement and he's mostly the one running the show. @a is the only one sane there even with the JSON-LD enthusiasm. So far they only introduced E2EE which is still half-baked and not a proper spec anyway (key distribution is missing completely), while being something very few will care about I think. If you want E2EE messaging, just use XMPP or one of the other 5+ apps for it.

If incompatibilities arise, like the quotes one, they will get fixed eventually like I've done previously with other servers. The quote issue has been very down on my list of things to do and I didn't have a good idea of how to fix the UX, so that's why I didn't touch it at all. But if the incompatibilities are too big, at some point you have to stop making excuses for the bully and just cut them off. They can't act like the sole arbitrator of the network/protocol and everyone keep bowing to them. In that way, the hidden quotes is a similar hijack to what they did with the subject/description field. Taking what they made and altering it to something they don't want.

At worst, you can always take ap-next, add some FEPs, strip JSON-LD and call it LitePub 1.0.

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> The Fediverse part I care about does not include Mastodon

SECONDED

> So if they want to split from me into some normie mainstream network, their loss, I didn't care anyway.

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> This Fediverse will continue to exist and arguably be better without them.

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> At worst, you can always take ap-next, add some FEPs, strip JSON-LD and call it LitePub 1.0.

SECONDED

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @phnt @strypey @light
The nice thing about quote retweets is they let people repost without necessarily putting it in on their timeline. If your account is followers only and all your posts are followers only but you retweet public posts there is still data leaking.

Pleroma slept on the implementing quote retweet, so I even though it took Mastodon like 6 years to add them, it's our punishment that we need to stick with their way of doing them because we dropped the ball.

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Quote posting is for dysgenic people. So I don’t think it should exist.

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@Leyonhjelm @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I have never seen it get regular use for anything besides drama/bullshit/engagement-whoring.

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@Leyonhjelm @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey zogbots quoting stuff is like throwing up the bat signal to call for help when they're getting trolled. Or for whatever reason they want to promote stuff, but they can't just use repost - I need my comments on top instead so I can play theater kid. This post was actually about me, it's mine now.

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I didn’t care what they thought before and that isn’t changing now

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> If your account is followers only and all your posts are followers only but you retweet public posts there is still data leaking.

I'd be cool to give people more fine-grained control of scopes at the user-level, and I don't think anyone can force you to federate an RT, but there's no foolproof way to solve "data leaking" when something has to leave its origin. Superficial ways of making things not show up might be enough to satisfy most people: personally I'd like it if I didn't have to look at one-sided conversations on my timeline because it's private and I don't follow everyone involved. But people are bound to complain when they find out something doesn't *really* work the way they expected it to. And that's what's going to happen with Mastodon's proposal.

> it's our punishment that we need to stick with their way of doing them because we dropped the ball.

I don't like the idea of being punished over a feature I never liked anyway. I think QRTs are stupid and if anything I'd gut them out, but I get this is mostly a culture-clash between people who treat fedi to varying degrees more like Twitter and people who don't. But at least QRTs as they are now work exactly the way you'd expect them to, and Mastodon wants to do something else that won't.

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> I think QRTs are stupid and if anything I'd gut them out

So, my suggestion for this was just "If an object[type:"Note"] is linked to in a post, the server can determine this by doing a very fast lookup of the object URL and then decorate it with metadata the same way that replies and quote-posts are decorated with metadata and the frontend can decide if it feels like displaying it as an inline quote or an abridged inline quote". This makes it easy to use them in frontends that don't support quote-posts (you just put the /objects/ URL in), it's performant (every single backend, even mine, has a really fast "Does this object exist anywhere?" lookup, because they all have to), and then support for creating them can be as easy in the frontend as it is currently: you just put the quote-posted URL at the end of the post. I will probably end up doing this, at least on the backend and on FediBBS; I might add it to FSE's Pleroma-BE and the patches will be public.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light That sounds good, I figured you could achieve something to that effect with an MRF but I don't know how to write those. Do tag me if you do it so I can shove it into FBE.

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> I figured you could achieve something to that effect with an MRF

It's a little farther into the post ingestion than MRF; I think you could do it with an MRF, though.

> but I don't know how to write those.

It is really easy if you look at your instance's Noop MRF.

> Do tag me if you do it so I can shove it into FBE.

I promise to attempt to remember to tag you but I am terrible at remembering who thought a thing was a good idea when I write something.

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@sicp @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Just the fact that people complain about leaking data on this network is proof that trying to prevent it is a never ending battle. Truth is, you cannot enforce what is effectively DRM on your posts in this network, this network is purely operated on implied trust everybody puts on all instance administrators without even thinking about it.

Also related to more scopes, Pleroma develop now support scoping of repeats ported from Akkoma. IMHO a dumb feature that shouldn't exist, but to each their own.

>But people are bound to complain when they find out something doesn't *really* work the way they expected it to.

Once again, "We must not claim to prevent what we cannot prevent." Warnings that posts may leak when trying to compose a lockpost or a DM are the only solution to that. Users will freak out, but that's the reality. You cannot lie yourself out of reality.

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> Truth is, you cannot enforce what is effectively DRM on your posts in this network

YOU ARE ON A FUCKING ROLL

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> evilmaid.net/blog/trusting-tru…

Good writeup.

> Also related to more scopes, Pleroma develop now support scoping of repeats ported from Akkoma. IMHO a dumb feature that shouldn't exist, but to each their own.

Neat. I also think it's dumb but I figured it's the kind of thing people'd want anyway. People can do dumb things as long as I don't have to join them (QRTs, private posts)

> You cannot lie yourself out of reality.

Again as long as I don't have to, if they want to screw everyone else out for choosing not to drink the kool-aid then I say let them: I share the sentiment if there was a big netsplit I can't imagine shedding any tears; nobody can make me upgrade anyway and I think its funny there's an overtone on their side of a netsplit being a worst-case scenario whereas over here most people are indifferent to the idea.

Trusting Trust in the Fediverse

Implied trust and how easy it is to break it. How various safety and privacy features added to ActivityPub can be useless in the eyes of users unaware of inner workings.

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> Like, what's the plan? Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits?

They are not meaningfully a part of the fediverse at this point. They have made a Twitter. It is no longer a platform that you use to communicate with friends: it is a broadcast-only circle-jerk and when it fails to be a broadcast-only circle-jerk people that want to "control the experience" and that can't distinguish between startup dipshittery and tech built by people to communicate with each other. Look at the early posts by the hachyderm dipshit, that guy's like "Oh, this isn't going to work, we have to eject these people and we have to make it advertiser-friendly because if we don't then fedi will never replace Twitter!" I don't want to replace Twitter with a shitty clone of Twitter: I want to replace Twitter with something good.

I intend to have a platform to communicate with friends and strangers. I don't really care if Mastodon decides to create a desert and call it peace. They have fundamentally different goals. Nobody complained when Gab fucked off (and they were, in many cases, fucked off before that: pastebin.com/E0k5fcd6 ), but somehow Mastodon is important? Go look at what they're putting onto the network: mastodon.social/explore .
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Mastodon

The original server of Mastodon, operated by Mastodon GmbH for the common good.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Pressing F for gab federation tbh.

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@Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Nothing of value was lost.

There was a lot of the same hand-wringing: "they're the most active instance!" and it's like...do you want to see that activity? For at least a month, the *majority* of their activity was a single account that posted three times per second. I saw the bot, killed the bot, could not tell Gab about the bot because Gab blocked FSE. (Gleason was working at Gab at the time, I told Gleason and offered to help Gab quell the bot problem and told him to pass along the offer to Colbert; Gleason agreed but Colbert says Gleason never relayed the message. At the time, it was in my own interest to stop the flood at the source because Gab was essentially DoSing FSE by constantly flooding us with bot shit. I got to do k-means and come up with interesting ways to automatically detect bots, I was having fun.)

And now it's handwringing, what if we lose Mastodon? What *if*? They're as bad as the Gablins. There are people using fedi to communicate and there are people using fedi to broadcast and try to push their agenda and, you know, fuck the latter category.
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>"they're the most active instance!"
= normalnigger hell to my ears

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@KLVAnt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal "What if fedi is less popular?", they post on the eighth least-popular platform on earth.
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What a day that was. My whole mentality expired

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Suya . . .

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@TrevorGoodchild @Mammal suya..

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> whole_mentality.png

That should be on a T-shirt.

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@sicp @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I'd wear that shirt.

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Mastodon: Broadcast yourself™ (in 500 characters).
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Hey I'm in the third comic! But the gostse is gone!

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal hey i made that fedi gab boomers meme a long time ago (it was edited from a "toot" meme posted by SJW/J at the time)

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light I've been telling torba for years killing federation was a mistake but I suspect he got ordered to do so by the feds

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@Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey The main issue with federation was that Gab was cramming shit in that no one wanted and they had the clunkiest UI (which Gleason turned into Soapbox, which is still the worst fedi UI) so they were bleeding users into fedi. They had to cut it off to stop people from going "I can still talk to my friends but I don't have to use Gab?" and hopping to a sane instance. Regular shit on fedi was a "pro" feature on Gab, they were suffering massive downtime, they botched federation (by putting Gab on as many relays as would take them, so they were spending all their bandwidth delivering bot posts to the rest of fedi) and they covered it in ads for whatever low-rent hustle Torba was doing. They expected that they could use fedi to get people to join Gab, based on the way they were talking, and when it went the other direction, they had to kill federation.
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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Gab was under intense pressure to be able to stay online after multiple hosts deplatformed them over allowing total free speech, aka criticism of zog, woke etc. Gab was a pilot program for the regime to eventually produce today's post-woke musk version of twitter. Free speech was winning the argument against the regime shills on gab so its federation was killed to recreate a scenario where gatekeeper guys could maintain authority.

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> Gab was under intense pressure to be able to stay online after multiple hosts deplatformed them over allowing total free speech

"Complete freedom of speech unless it is anime or you ask questions about glowies or you notice how many bots there are or you are FSE, which is a hive of subversive neonazis and communists, or you point out a hole in Epik's VPN or you investigate Gab's finances or you point out that deleting your account silently fails if you have been verified."

They weren't kicked off for freedom of speech. They were kicked off because they antagonized literally everyone in order to prop up the persecution story. I met Utsav--having a PR guy that couldn't stop saying gamer words to journalists when they declined to go to his hotel room was a really stupid move to begin with--and half the sentences that come out of his mouth start with "We must fight the". They fork Mastodon and their announcement is them shitting on Mastodon. They fork Brave and they shit on Brave in the announcement. They were insular when they weren't antagonizing literally everyone. The only reason anyone heard of Gab was that there was a "left-wing bias in the tech press and Silicon Valley" thing going around in 2015 and so after Torba had Gab built, he started spamming an HN networking board (that is, a private board for people that had been HN-funded startup founders at some point) with "BUILD THE WALL I HOPE YOU ALL GET DEPORTED TRUMP MAGA 2016" and ignoring "Please stop that, this is a business board, not a politics board" until he got banned. That is, he committed suicide by janny in order to have a hook to call up journos and go "They banned me just for being a Republican! That is why I am making my own Twitter that doesn't have the left-wing censorship" and do a bunch of interviews. Literally no one would have heard of Gab if that PR push hadn't succeeded and that was the only move in his playbook: he shits on people so that he can complain about their reactions. It gets attention but it ensures that he has no friends, so when the social justice pitchforks come out (because he spends time antagonizing them too), he has no one willing to say a word in his defense: if you're in a position to do something about it, Torba had either burned you or burned one of your friends.
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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal I never took any of this stuff seriously 6 years ago. A lot of us were younger and thought this was all dumb drama about shitposting and blowing off steam when these people were trying to genuinely trying to subvert American culture.

But these days Torba seems to be exclusively running in these weird astroturfed "trad" circles whose only consistent position is shilling for random 3rd world countries. "Save the White race by siding against White countries no matter what the issue. In fact, don't even look into the issue. Being a misinformed vibes based gonzo idiot is BASED!"

It makes me wonder if all the deplatforming from those days that everyone said was "leftist" was actually targeted at people receiving foreign money.

You look at these types of people from back then and where they are now and they're all shilling for Orban when that election was totally irrelevant to everyone except Hungarians and Russians, they all have Russian wives for some reason, or they're promoting pro China, pro Iran, pro pan-Arab propaganda.

Basically anyone that has influence that isn't in the core American geopolitical coalition, the old Far Right influencers are carrying water for those people. I'm thinking more of these Torba types than we thought are just paid agitators of foreign governments. Even back then a lot of them were being promoted by RT.

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@AngelCelt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal Well, you wanna fuel that paranoia, Gab silently *pretends* to delete your account if you click the button but if you have a Pro account or a Verified account--that is, if Gab has your dox--they don't actually delete it.
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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal To some degree it's be proven re: Lauren Chen and her whole network.

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@AngelCelt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal I don't know who she is. Is she hot?

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @Mammal She's some Asian who was running a company called Tenent Media, it was funding Tim Pool and Lauren Southern and others in that sphere $100K per show and it was uncovered that it was a Russian shell company just promoting anyone that would sew distrust in American/Western institutions. Just the typical Russian shit.

And yes, she is cute, but married to a mystery meat European.

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@AngelCelt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Russia doesn't have to pay me not to trust the feds but I would happily accept a job being a doomer online. Hook it up vlad

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@Mammal @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light It's actually bad to be a bitter malcontent.

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@AngelCelt @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light No it's not, being a revolutionary is a lot cooler than being some servant for woke trash who hate you

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@Mammal @AngelCelt @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey If you think the "woke left" is driving the bus to hell then you're not a revolutionary, either.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @AngelCelt @strypey @silverpill @light 90% of my bans have just been saying I'd support islam against zionists in the west because "trad right" nonsense is all obvious glowtard ops

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@Mammal @AngelCelt @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey This was a thread about actual glowies instead of an ill-defined group.

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@Mammal@shitposter.world @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @p @strypey @silverpill @light Woke isn't real. The Left in America hasn't pushed it in like 5 years. GamerGate is over, this thing you hate only exists on the Internet and Netflix.

The only people who haven't shut the fuck up about it for the past half decade are Rightists. You're the exact demographic foreign agitators prey on to destroy the morale of White countries. This is why everything has been so rapidly enshittified.

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^This is pretty much the definitive Blab timeline.

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@SilverDeth @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Wait until you see the new IFTAS thread.

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> Wait until you see the new IFTAS thread

Do share.

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> Do share.

For your enjoyment: fsebugoutzone.org/objects/55b9…

datarepublican.com/expose/?cus…
GODDAMMIT_YOU_FUCKING_DIPSHIT.gif

2026-04-25 01:39:28

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
@taoeffect ran the IFTAS thread ( fsebugoutzone.org/objects/ad4d… ) through a clanker and the clanker suggested that a lot of the information was unverified by hedging all to hell.
So, let's dig up the citations: it turns out that IFTAS is big business! $1,408,877.86, in fact. Not bad for a side-hustle that isn't even your day job, right?
Bringing up the head, the Social Web Foundation, of which @evan is the head ( socialwebfoundation.org/team/ ), doesn't list their EIN on their website. But their donation page ( socialwebfoundation.org/donate… ) says:
> The Social Web Foundation is a fiscally-sponsored project of Exchange Point Institute, a US 501(c)3 non-profit.
The Exchange Points Institute's EIN is 87-1028685. Their Form 990-N on IRS site says they have "Gross receipts not greater than: $50,000" for 2023; ProPublica says ( projects.propublica.org/nonpro… ) that they got $527,410 in 2024, per their 990. Pretty fuckin' heavy! $120k of that was from the Ford Foundation⁰. Congrats, @evan ! If you like, you can also read Mallory Knodel's "Announcing the launch of Social Web Foundation" in the Association for Progressive Communications blog. The bold part from that blog post: "To fight inequality, participate in democracy, build an equitable society and economy, we can’t rely on a few corporate-owned, profit-driven spaces. The Social Web Foundation is our best chance to establish the conditions in which the new social media operates with zero harm." In the following paragraph, Eugen "John Mastodon" Gargamel-Rochko, is quoted as being proud to back the Social Web Foundation and their work.
Total (gross¹): $527,410
Next up, IFTAS itself, $384,375 in 2023, and then another $7,733 in 2024, but they spent $302,567 that year, per projects.propublica.org/nonpro… . The ridiculously circuitous pathway for the money includes the National Endowment for Democracy () and the Open Society Foundation (Soros)². If you rolled your eyes when I said that the glowies were funding IFTAS, I invite you to come dislocate your jaw trying to fit my goddamn dick in your mouth. Looks like plenty of cash for just 40 hours a week, @jaz . Way to hustle!
Total (gross): $919,518
Two of the bigger instances in the "Fediverse Governance" glowop are social.coop and hachyderm.io. There were nine more³, I didn't check, presumably they're worth less money.
The budget for social.coop is, per opencollective.com/socialcoop#… ) £71,952.29 ($97,373.03), of which they have so far spent £42,306.86 ($57,253.87).
Total (gross): $1,016,891.03
hachyderm.io is a little more convoluted: they're owned, per their about page, by the Nivenly Foundation, EIN 92-2345439 (which you've gotta dig out of the IRS because they do not list that on their website). They've pulled in $17,697.88 and haven't touched any of it yet. Way to show some self-restraint, @nova !
Total (gross): $1,034,588.91
Now, this one's trickier! For an undisclosed sum, NewsMast purchased indieweb.social ( timothychambers.net/2025/03/27… ). They claim to have done no trading any of the years they've filed, but they bought indieweb.social in March 2025. They filed as dormant for 2025 and then borrowed £276,575 ($374,288.95 at time of writing), which is currently about . So, unless they've made any big purchases other than that, it looks like they've paid a quarter-million pounds sterling sixabong quidbob for indieweb.social. As noted in the prervious post, NewsMast paid Tim Chambers for this site and Tim Chambers is the...the Executive Director, per the NewsMast site ( about.iftas.org/2024/07/12/tim… ). Now, *that's* how you flip a $10 domain and like a few hundred in hosting costs, @tchambers !
Total (gross, including speculative valuation of indieweb.social): $1,408,877.86
So, you know, cram that in whoever's pipe next time @graf spends a handful of bennies on Crunchbits/Frantech boxes.
⁰ "CORE SUPPORT FOR THE SOCIAL WEB FOUNDATION TO INCREASE THE REACH AND SUSTAINABILITY OF OPEN SOURCE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS" was worth $70k to the Ford Foundation and "CORE SUPPORT TO SURVEY AND INTERVIEW GLOBAL INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE MEMBERS OF THE INFRARED NETWORK THAT PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES TO MULTINATIONAL CORPORATE TECH PLATFORMS TO DEVELOP A LONG TERM AND SUSTAINABLE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE NETWORK" was worth $50k. So, that fediverse governance survey, that was a $50k survey! No big deal, though, the Ford Foundation (EIN 13-1684331) sneezes that on the hour; they control about $17.5B.
¹ I mean that I am totaling the amount of money they receive, but also: I am vomit. Not that making money is wrong, per se, but these are people getting foundation money to kill fedi.
² Real ugly goddamn URL, fuck's sake: datarepublican.com/expose/?cus… .
³ The Individual Eleven:
cosocial.ca/ (cosocial.ca/) | fedilist.com/instance/cosocial… (fedilist.com/instance/cosocial…)
hcommons.social/ (hcommons.social/) | fedilist.com/instance/hcommons… (fedilist.com/instance/hcommons…)
hachyderm.io/ (hachyderm.io/) | fedilist.com/instance/hachyder… (fedilist.com/instance/hachyder…)
masto.donte.com.br/ (masto.donte.com.br/) | fedilist.com/instance/masto.do… (fedilist.com/instance/masto.do…)
mspsocial.net/ (mspsocial.net/) | fedilist.com/instance/mspsocia… (fedilist.com/instance/mspsocia…)
piaille.fr/ (piaille.fr/) | fedilist.com/instance/piaille.… (fedilist.com/instance/piaille.…)
sfba.social/ (sfba.social/) | fedilist.com/instance/sfba.soc… (fedilist.com/instance/sfba.soc…)
social.coop/ (social.coop/) | fedilist.com/instance/social.c… (fedilist.com/instance/social.c…)
tooting.ch/ (tooting.ch/) | fedilist.com/instance/tooting.… (fedilist.com/instance/tooting.…)
wandering.shop/ (wandering.shop/) | fedilist.com/instance/wanderin… (fedilist.com/instance/wanderin…)
woof.group/ (woof.group/) | fedilist.com/instance/woof.gro… (fedilist.com/instance/woof.gro…)

Tim Chambers Joins the IFTAS Advisory Board
We are thrilled to announce the newest addition to the IFTAS Advisory Board: Tim Chambers, co-founder and head of Dewey Digital. Tim brings a wealth of experience and knowledge to our organization,…
^{Jaz-Michael King (IFTAS)}

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“For at least a month, the *majority* of their activity was a single account that posted three times per second. I saw the bot, killed the bot, could not tell Gab about the bot because Gab blocked FSE.”

Gab used to have a bot account called “jsheistydiety” that posts hi-res screenshots of low res boomer memes at multiple times per minute. And it had a comped yellow circle during imagocaust 2024.

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> Gab used to have a bot account called “jsheistydiety” that posts hi-res screenshots of low res boomer memes at multiple times per minute.

So, that's something I saw; I suspected that the Gab Trends was gamed so I did some analysis but it was really difficult to get some sort of clean view of Gab Trends (clickwrapping plus downtime plus their shit was difficult for both humans and bots to read). But I found this group of accounts that would all post the same set of Pepes and then randomly they would post the same link as all the others did, and then that link would show up on Gab Trends.

There was some recipe bot that would shit recipes scraped from recipe sites and the guy was claiming to be a Vietnam War sniper (his account was something like "sniperss"), right, a member of a unit that didn't exist during the Vietnam War, and now he's a "hotel chef" and he purported to be posting his own recipes but he wasn't even using the same units consistently; his top posts were all spelled and punctuated properly but his replies were all weird shit definitely not written by an American and he'd end them with "thank you,,david", weird shit. So I noticed a lot of accounts had that pattern, their top-level posts were

The most reliable indicator was that the bots would engage in some really easy-to-analyze behavior: they'd post uniformly around the clock (humans sleep), the overwhelming majority of their activities would be posts/reposts. That is, very few likes and very few replies to people that didn't tag them, very few follow/unfollow/block; this is expected of spambots, right, they aren't going to put any effort into something that doesn't put something on your screen, but they would reply when you interacted with them because it's worth their time to evade detection. So their replies read like they were written by offshore clickfarm dudes, like someone was running a few hundred bot accounts and then they'd send the replies to some sort of centralized place, right, like so they could reply "no im not bot" or "thank you,,david". You could plausibly run a massive farm like that, like several hundred accounts per guy. (They didn't have an obvious commercial interest, so it's possible that people were right with their suspicion that Gab was using clickfarms to look more active than it was.)

But the behavior made it easy to detect them: I wrote a little script that would look at all of the activity an account did, look at the ratio of normal activity to broadcast-style activity and how flat their activity was over 24 hours, and then draw a sparkline graph so I could visually inspect. This was really helpful for identifying bots, no ML stuff required even. And then once that was easy to do, I could do k-means clustering to see who was following them, and I iced about a hundred accounts on FSE that had posted just gibberish or nothing at all but were following only Gab spambot accounts. (I hated the spam and it actually cost me money by forcing me to upgrade boxes on Frantech, but it was fun to come up with bot-detection stuff.)

> And it had a comped yellow circle during imagocaust 2024.

I don't know what that is, like I heard something had to do with making image-posting a "Pro" feature, but I also don't really have any interest in Gab except where they intersected with fedi.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I applaud your anti spam efforts. I think ai spam was a bigger problem on gab in the past because they were trying to disguise the loss of users that killing federation represented. I can understand why gab today is being given the truth social treatment on modern fedi.

Originally the dissent memes were on discord, and they only moved to gab once discord got taken over, so gab is now like a historical host for dissent content. The regime is going to promote mainstream twitter over alt twitters.

This was the argument I had with graf which is that to survive as an alt twitter you have to have anti-regime moderation. Otherwise it's a step backwards into discord era. I'm defeded from poast because in my view they run things like a woke website and it's insincere spirit of dissent. Gab was basically a middle finger to trump, nobody was gatekeeping shit on there, the regime guys were just getting dog walked over and over again until they quit.

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> so gab is now like a historical host for dissent content

I went there for a few days in 2016 or 2017. I posted some images and then I wondered aloud how Gab was different from Twitter: Twitter was alleged by Jack and Biz to be "the free speech wing of the free speech party" and that was bullshit eventually. So then I saw this "Gab" thing and it was supposed to be like that but forreals this time and I checked it out and I wondered aloud, "How is this any different from Twitter? There's no real guarantee except a promise and we had that with Twitter and look how that turned out." and I got screamed at by some guy with a Bible quote in his bio and wraparound sunglasses in his avatar. I knew it was full of bots because years later, I started getting inundated with "StormGirl1488 has followed you". I didn't see any "dissent". I do know a lot of people that think ranting about Jews qualifies as dissent but I saw enough of that on fedi, I didn't need to go to another website to see that.

> Originally the dissent memes were on discord

Discord didn't exist when dissent memes were getting passed around.

> I'm defeded from poast because in my view they run things like a woke website and it's insincere spirit of dissent.

I'm not sure what this means, but before Poast arrived on fedi, people were accusing me of being "woke" or being "another Torba" and that shit didn't land on FSE and it doesn't land on Poast, though they're a little quicker with the block button. niggy (SAY HER NAME) hacked UMN and CUNY and lives on Poast and that's dissent (and a fun time).

> Gab was basically a middle finger to trump

Gab was shilling for Trump from its inception until Trump was unbanned from Twitter. I got those emails, too. I got the "Please beg President Trump to join Gab!" and then I got this one where the subject line was wishful clickbait:
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@Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Yeah Gab courted Trump, and when the Trump campaign looked at their non-bot engagement/users laughed them outta the room.

Torbu then made up some bullshit story about Trump wanting Blab censored and started barking about how freezepeach was under attack, begged for money, then set up a mirror that reposted every one of Fat Orange Carnie's CAPS RIDDLED tweets.

Pepperidge Farm 'membas...

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> Yeah Gab courted Trump

"Begged to fellate" if the emails are a good indicator.

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@SilverDeth @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal I gotta ask but does a majority of mastodon even see anything said on this side of the fediverse? I was under the assumption that they've probably blanket defederated a majority of instances or people on this side of the fedi anyways.
I don't think anything changes too much in the event of a split at this point.

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@Spooke @SilverDeth @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I tagged like half the fuckin' glowieverse in that other post because they all block FSE before they even start up the server.

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Always trying to figure out what the heuristic is that lands fse in permapreminorityreportban and dsmc just skates by.

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> Always trying to figure out what the heuristic is that lands fse in permapreminorityreportban and dsmc just skates by.

IFTAS. The IFTAS people put FSE at "Tier 0".

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light what got you on the naughty list do you think

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@Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii Because FSE's the one they can't kill and because I am famous and sexy and I do not have a fixation on Jewish people.

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light tomato tomahto man if you're fighting the government on speech policies it's not nazis who are trying to shut you down

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> it's not nazis who are trying to shut you down

...Yes, it is. It's *both*. And it's not just me, Alex Linder tried to get the DRC admin arrested: media.freespeechextremist.com/… .

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one. nazis don't have any government resources to throw at you. it's more splc fuentes type stuff

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> there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one.

I have had this discussion with about a dozen people a day, every day of my life, starting with the day that I decided to name a Pleroma instance "free speech extremist".

Curiously, there's always a flare-up of this sort of conversation in threads where I have noticed glowies. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action, and it stops at three but I think if I could say "every goddamn time"...Look, I don't mean to bite your head off but I'm going to if you start insisting that you're blowing my mind with the truth bombs and that I'm brainwashed and that because I don't think the shit you think now, then I must think the same shit you thought five years ago. You walk from point A to point B and you think everyone that isn't at point B with you must be at point A. "Everyone I don't agree with is a Zionist shill." Okay. "Wait, that's not what I said!"

> there are no nazis, there's just zionists pretending to be one. nazis don't have any government resources to throw at you. it's more splc fuentes type stuff

Turns out it's *exactly* what you said.

You didn't look at the image. Alex Linder tried to get the DRC admin arrested by signing up on his instance and threatening to blow up a bunch of Jewish hospitals. You don't need "government resources to throw at someone". I've seen the atomwaffles and I have seen the gablins and I have seen lil Dickie Spencer and I have seen the GLR fanboys and you can go ask what they think about me. I don't intend to engage on this topic because:

> it's more splc fuentes type stuff

YOU FUCKING DOOMSCROLLING MONKEY

WHILE YOU ARE HALLUCINATING LINKS TO THE SPLC

THIS WAS A THREAD ABOUT IFTAS

WHICH IS PAINTING A BULLSEYE ON FEDI

AND LEGIT *IS* LINKED TO SPLC MONEY

AND THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY

WHICH IS THE FUCKING CIA

AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT EVERY GABLIN THAT TRIED TO CAUSE TROUBLE WAS SECRETLY LINKED TO THE SPLC

IN ORDER TO DERAIL A CONVERSATION

ABOUT CONCRETE EVENTS

OPENLY

GODDAMN OPENLY

OPENLY LINKED TO THE SPLC

THIS IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME

Charity graph - multi-root BFS & taxpayer totals

Tracking where the money goes

^{DataRepublican}

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p how do you feel about california buddy

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@DemonSixOne @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal It is beautiful but all the people shitting on it and calling it some kind of commie paradise are encouraging commies to move there. In the middle of the chip shortage, the people voted in by those exact commies actively held up container ships from China because what if a goddamn box of PS5s has the 'rona? I saw the boats, man, you could see them from the only off-leash dog beach in LA County. The two busiest container ports in the entire continent are the port of Long Beach and the port of LA, and they're adjacent: they're only technically different ports because the city limits of LA stop and the city limits of Long Beach start. Transplants ruin everything, especially because they are too fucking stupid to realize that they should maybe look into who they're voting for and see if that person maybe got indicted last year or is possibly a complete piece of shit from the four families of Northern California that have been gradually attempting to take over the state. I don't know why all the blackpill dipshits on fedi are so eager to cede turf but it is a good sign that someone's done got astroturfed or psyopped if they agree with NYT opinion columns.
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This is a good infographic but I feel like it is also one you could make for most states. certainly nevada, just sub in pat millroy, clark co water and the reid family.

Feel like this needs some branches out into some of the other rot points that are older such as mullholland, ladwp and the water kikes that turned the owens valley into a salt flat, or the "fuck you got mine" policy effects of prop 13.

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@DemonSixOne @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Ah, the Prop 13 shit is partially about Chinese investors shoveling tons of cash at real estate developers. The real estate developers owned both of the candidates for mayor last election if that gives you an idea.

You know what's probably the best show about what happened to Southern California is Lodge 49. Highly recommended.

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal He has a fixation on tits.

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@vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Do...do you think that factors in?

Because A LOT OF THINGS WOULD LINE UP IF ALL OF THE POOP-FETISHISTS HATED ME BECAUSE I AM A TIT-ENJOYER
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@vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey This is not the video I meant to attach.

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal I mean it might. Having people fixate on Jews seems to be one of the games out there, but it’s really hard to fixate on Jews and nice tits at the same time.

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@vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Okay, *this* is the video that I was looking for.
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@vii @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Goddammit, I am all over the map tonight, sorry.

> but it’s really hard to fixate on Jews and nice tits at the same time.

COUNTERPOINT:
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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal

I wasn't ready for these feelings.

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@w0rm @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii No matter how many times I see nazi_milk_office.jpg, I am not ready for it.

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@icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal

The worst part about getting targeted by feds is they will send dozens of beautiful women to you to try and take you down. They'll take you out on luxurious dates and try to spoil you with fancy bottles and the drugs celebrities take. Trips to Vegas

I managed to cheat the system, enjoying the beautiful women and their gifts with none of the jail time or cooperation.

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> The worst part about getting targeted by feds is they will send dozens of beautiful women to you to try and take you down. They'll take you out on luxurious dates and try to spoil you with fancy bottles and the drugs celebrities take. Trips to Vegas

...So, uh...

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Yall fedposting in here?

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@ForbiddenDreamer @sampler @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light @Mammal Only if it gets me blowjobs from Chinese spies. Or hot glowies.
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@ForbiddenDreamer @Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii Took me some time to recognise the Red pill w

Wait, I have a commercial idea!

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> Took me some time to recognise the Red pill w

Oh, shit, ha, I didn't realize it until you mentioned it. That is clever.

> Wait, I have a commercial idea!

DO GO ON

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@ForbiddenDreamer @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @vii @phnt @sampler @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I told this lib on twitter he sounded like a gay jew and he accused me of "listening to tucker carlson and candace owens." (Lmao).

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@Mammal @ForbiddenDreamer @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey @vii

> I told this lib on twitter he sounded like a gay jew

Did everyone on the bus clap?

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@sampler @Mammal @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @silverpill @strypey @vii

WTF?

I was ripped off. All I got was 200k+ in legal bills, permeant admission to the no-fly list and yearly visits from the FBI.

How do I get this "hawt special agent" package?

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@Spooke @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

They probably don't see 90% of what we or I write. So it goes.

Speaking personally, I'm not posting for reach, validation or recognition. I'm ranting to blow of steam and chilling with mutuals - people who I am constantly learning from.

Frankly, my chief "hobby" is reading the musings of my carefully curated collection of techies, online racists, brilliant skitzos and hilarious shit-posters.

"It t'ain't much, but it t'ain't nuthin' 'neiher."

I might be, no exaggeration, one of the most blocked, shadow-banned and throttled people on the entire internet. I an so black-listed in the much benighted "real world" that re-entering any professional career in my field(s) is laughably impossible. (I am not allowed to fly on planes, and between 2006 and 2017 I was locked out of any bank except small credit unions).

Whether I should be proud of that or not, I leave to each person's interpretation.

But, to loop back to the beginning, if there was only me and my small google buried website screaming into the void to nobody, I'd probably still do so, because I am simply that much of a belligerent Scotsman/stupid Irish potato-nigger.

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@SilverDeth @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light I didn't really have any awareness of gab's spam behavior on other instances as one of their local users. There was a real lefty censorship problem at the time that you needed a no-ban server to combat. Now that twitter version 2 is around gab does not have much purpose anymore as a test ground, the gatekeeper paradigm has already been updated. If you tell fed loyalists to go fuck themselves, you get banned anywhere else, and you don't get banned on gab, but it's been made irrelevant since nobody is there anymore and you can't interact with anyone on the wider internet without federation.

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@SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I miss the gab vibe after getting purged by woke discord mods one after another, we finally had a server that felt like it was /ourguys in charge. Of course you knew the mods were really fed connected, but the community culture was whole heartedly fuck the regime. Torba probably wanted Trump on board for business reasons, but the reality is team trump tried and failed to win over "groypers" and other alt right types on gab and eventually just gave up on trying. Now you have instances where every mod is a fed loyalist and you get banned for challenging them. You can just tell we're back to HR karen in charge. Everything promoted on twitter is astroturf slop, it doesn't feel real. Being able to go full edgelord was exciting and now it's just back to getting deplatformed.

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@Mammal @SilverDeth @Spooke @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

> gab vibe after getting purged by woke discord mods

This is because if you cannot host something then you have made yourself a serf. I don't suggest it.

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@Mammal @icedquinn @Spooke @fish @phnt @SilverDeth @strypey @silverpill @StarProphet @light
Gab shill? The sad thing is how you're not even being paid to be this retarded.

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@StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey We went through all this effort to cancel-proof our anti-woke speech, and just because they killed torba's audience doesn't mean I have to listen to graf karen me about how to oppose zog. How many regime shills do you think I've fought with over the years online? He is nothing special, I've already surpassed a dozen others just like that.

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@Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey I don't know what quarrel you have with my good friend but...

> How many regime shills do you think I've fought with over the years online?

What?

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@StarProphet @Mammal @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey

Dread compiled some pretty detailed analytics on Gab's "fake" userbase - was probably the biggest thing that contributed to him getting kicked.

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@SilverDeth @Mammal @StarProphet @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey Ha, yeah, I remember because I overlaid them on a graph of fedi activity to demonstrate that FSE had more active users at the time.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Flaming GAB for not being as open as advertised until they fucked off was such a swell time.

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@icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @light

The point I am trying to make is not about Mastodon specifically. It's about network effects. I believe that in case of a network split almost all developers and users will defect to the Mastodon side, even those who are making fun of Mastodon today.

It's not going to be like Gab.

Of course, this situation is mostly theoretical, I don't expect it to happen within the next 2-3 years. And obviously, I don't think that we should be especially concerned about being cut off from the Mastodon Network. I am talking about building a viable alternative.

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"If you don't implement this feature, the glowies will defederate and fork the protocol and you will have no glowies or pedophiles or mutualaid hashtags."
Oops.

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @strypey @light

> I believe that in case of a network split almost all developers and users will defect to the Mastodon side, even those who are making fun of Mastodon today.

Almost all users are on Facebook or Twitter. Fedi is a tiny, tiny speck by comparison. "More users" doesn't mean "better fedi".

It is true that Gab didn't have a lot of hackers, but I've never heard someone discuss Pleroma's "user acquisition strategy".

Numbers don't mean a lot if they're not qualified. If most of the webshits go to Mastodon and the weird hackers stick on the rest of fedi, the rest of fedi is where I'd like to be. Most developers are on Busky and Twitter. Most users are on Twitter. Facebook has more users than that.

> It's not going to be like Gab.

> I don't expect it to happen within the next 2-3 years.

Sure. Bridge crossed when came to.

> And obviously, I don't think that we should be especially concerned about being cut off from the Mastodon Network. I am talking about building a viable alternative.

Then I'm not sure what you mean.

I would like everyone that wants to be free to be free. I am less interested in trading that to accommodate a larger number of people. First thing, I intend to have a place for myself: I am going to be somewhere. There are people like me and I can be in the place with those people. There are people that want a place that is not like the place I want; I don't need to be in the same place as them.

Monterey Park has some of the best Chinese food in the US. Wonderful place, fun to just wander around. There's nowhere quite like that area. So even after I moved up to Arcadia, when I went somewhere to eat, I'd usually go somewhere around Monterey Park, Alhambra. The city council in Monterey Park was trying to increase tax revenue by bringing in more franchises: they wanted an Applebee's and a TGI Friday's. This got shat on by the people that lived there because the reason they lived in Monterey Park was that it was Monterey Park. If it turned into Irvine or whatever, there'd be no reason to live in Monterey Park. And for people that didn't live there, there was a reason to go to Monterey Park: it was unique. There's no reason to go to Irvine (unless you want to see the world's first beige Walmart--city building codes, all buildings are beige, all signs are brown, so this was the first Walmart to not have a grey-blue facade and blue sign). But the Beijing Pie House was in Monterey Park. Late-night meat-skewers place I went to with fluffy. Hot pot places, tea shops, etc. Things unique to the western half of the San Gabriel Valley. So people that lived in Monterey Park didn't want it, people that visited Monterey Park didn't want it, but the city council did, because it was much more tax revenue than the noodle stands.

Now, I left Twitter in 2016. At that point, it was largely carried by momentum, so I left later than I should have. All of the reasons I joined Twitter to begin with were present on fedi, and more: I could hack shit, I could talk to the other people that were hacking shit. Here we are: we wouldn't be having this conversation if we were just Twitter users. There's a reason to be on fedi: the hackers and artists and weirdos are here. I don't have a tenuous place, because I'm here as long as I run the pipes. That eliminates an entire class of reasons to second-guess myself when I speak. And everyone here is like that. No one's really worried about saying something that gets them shadowbanned. This is a unique and wonderful place. If glowies want to coopt it and use "but you can't diverge from *Mastodon*", I'm not budging a goddamn inch, and I'm going to encourage people that value fedi to do the same. "Shittier version of Twitter" isn't the network I joined. I have put money and time and work into fedi and Rochko and Gleason and Pincus and Kissane and Jaz-Michael King and Even Projomout and the rest of them can eat shit if they want to turn fedi into a worse hell than the one I left when I finally bailed on Twitter.

So, that's my flag planted:

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @phnt @strypey @light
Are you talking about bluesky

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@sampler @fish @light @phnt @icedquinn @strypey I hope Bluesky buys Mastodon at some point. I don't see any reason for them to compete with each other.

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light That would be a very funny user base implosion. Because both sides actively don't like each other.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light Oh, I am sure this is just a misunderstanding. Nothing a couple of joint events couldn't fix

Johannes Ernst

2026-04-17 17:42:14

I want to applaud @rose.bsky.team and @mellifluousbox for appearing on stage together and expressing a desire to cooperate. As I've said for a long time, #Bluesky and #Mastodon, #ActivityPub and #ATProtocol should not be fighting each other. The real opposition are the oligarch-controlled, enshittified, manipulating major commercial platforms. We have no chance of making a dent into their dominance if the revolution fights itself instead.

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light The will surely love that decision. Bsky users already hate bsky leadership and Fedi is too complicated to them in their own words. Mastodon thinks they aren't decentralized and doesn't like the bsky leadership. Now they can hate both.

Tbh, picrel is probably the best solution anyway.
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@phnt @silverpill @fish @icedquinn @light @sampler @strypey IT'S ALMOST LIKE
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@echo @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey All of the worst people are on the same team.

...Plus also the only goddamn closed-source browser of $current_year.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light this but it's portal to hell

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light Fixed it for you

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Is it finally shutting down?

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@Eiregoat @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light @coolboymew It shutting down would be a net negative. You don't want those people here.

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Why not? Inevitably one of their new instances will forget to defederate us and we can have another journo.post.

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What if they join our instances though?

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> What if they join our instances though?

Instances are like pubs. People like to hang out in different kinds of pubs, and that's OK. A pub stops being what it is if the social centre of gravity shifts. But that just means it becomes something else, and that's OK too.

As long as our city has space for many different kinds of pubs, everyone can find 1 or more they enjoy.

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>A pub stops being what it is if the social centre of gravity shifts. But that just means it becomes something else, and that's OK too.

I disagree with this, instances are communities and those that try to shift the culture of the community unnaturally should be expelled from it and find another community. This is how hostile takeovers of communities happen and has been called invading or being a disruptive guest in forums for a reason. You will get kicked out of a pub for being disruptive as well.

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> those that try to shift the culture of the community unnaturally should be expelled from it

Sure, but that's clearly not what I'm talking about. Culture change in any community is slow but constant, as the people in them change. If some people leave and others join, this contributes to the same effect. The social centre of gravity in a loose-tie community is always shifting.

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> You will get kicked out of a pub for being disruptive as well

Sure, but not for being at one end of the bell curve of people who hang out in that pub. Well, unless it's one of *those* kinds of pubs. But a growing city has space for those too, for people who want to be insular;

nora.codes/post/the-fediverse-…

These are all perfectly fine variations in the pub life of a city.

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The Fediverse is not dying, nor is it crumbling. As an ideoform in the collective consciousness of the 'net, the Fediverse is already dead.

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I mean, I remember when the cluster of people represented in this conversation arrived in the fediverse en masse. Mainly by joining quitter instances which ... weren't really the right pub for them. What did the veterans do? Did we try to have you banished from the city altogether?

No. We helped you set up your own pubs, and then some of you started Pleroma (and postActiv, RIP), or forked Misskey, etc. The tension between your needs and ours was handled creatively, to mutual benefit.

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>Sure, but that's clearly not what I'm talking about.
>The social centre of gravity in a loose-tie community is always shifting.

I misunderstood what you meant in that case.

>nora.codes/post/the-fediverse-…

I'm very conflicted about that post. It has a point that "Fediverse" outside of people developing it means very little (usually called the Mastodon™ network anyway) since it is a half-split network at this point. On the other hand it actively promotes this split, even gives it a name. The Fediverse the writer and I want are different in that regard. Fediblock effectively turning into a harassment tool with minimal value instead of its supposed original goal can probably be attributed to that.

Not that it matters much these days anyway since the two halves barely talk to each other now, but I still want the Fediverse where breaking federation isn't a design goal (signed fetch domain enforcement) and where the content users see is controlled by the user and not by the instance administrators as it usually is the case in the Mastodon side. It's not something that will probably ever become reality, but it's a worthy goal I think. The wild west banter I like isn't something everyone can handle though.

>These are all perfectly fine variations in the pub life of a city.

All it boils down for me is: "I don't agree with the Fediverse you want, but I won't try to prevent you from having it." I'm fine with anyone being here as long as they aren't disruptive guests in the community I'm in. If they want help, I'm happy to help.

>What did the veterans do? Did we try to have you banished from the city altogether?
>No. We helped you set up your own pubs, and then some of you started Pleroma (and postActiv, RIP), or forked Misskey, etc. The tension between your needs and ours was handled creatively, to mutual benefit.

Sadly this ability to handle tension seems to be mostly gone now. You see the desire to resolve conflicts and tensions rarely, instead the network keeps irrationally burning more and more bridges between the already split islands of what are the remnants of the Fediverse of the past.

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> Fediblock effectively turning into a harassment tool with minimal value instead of its supposed original goal

I would say it's been both simultaneously. Which is why it needs to be replaced by a standard protocol that keeps moderation decentralised, but enables newbie admins/mods to find and use automated support provided by veterans.

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I got much less worried about IFTAS when I started looking into the details of what they're building;

wedistribute.org/podcast/trust…

Bear with me as I lay out a nonpartisan case for what they're doing.

Decentered S1E5: Building Trust & Safety, with Jaz Michael-King - We Distribute

The Fediverse has been the Wild West of social since the beginning. Jaz-Michael King hopes to bring tools and resources to protect people through IFTAS.

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The video posted elsewhere in this hellthread demonstrates that there is a need for newbies setting up fediverse servers to have a simple way to protect themselves from spammers (including griefers). The obvious example is people spewing racist bile (no one needs to see that kind of low-effort toddler dickwaving). But from my POV, it equally includes identi-Moonies haranguing me for being a racist just for being in this conversation, or talking to folks from the 'Dark Side' at all.

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Supporting newbie admins/mods - and especially self-hosters running single-tenant instances - is particularly important if we want a fediverse of many small-to-medium instances. Rather than having most people corralled into a handful of proprietary corporate instances (eg Threats), whose owners can afford to do adequate moderation in-house.

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It would be easy to dismiss IFTAS as an attempt to impose BS-style centralised moderation on the fediverse. But I think that's a mistake. They're trying to solve the same problem, yes, but in a much more fediverse-esque way. Using standardised protocol plumbing that admins/mods can opt-in to, unlike the ATmosphere where BS's labeler is imposed on the whole network.

Maybe I'm naive and I haven't dug deep enough into the technical details to see the evil. If so, by all means, educate me.

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> Sadly this ability to handle tension seems to be mostly gone now

There's a lot more partisanship, for sure, something that comes with a larger population. But the veterans are still here! Still trying to get people to talk to each other and find win-win solutions that enable us all to peacefully coexist, instead of muttering in dark corners spreading scuttlebutt about each other.

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One of those veterans is Evan P who was one of the founders of the original fediverse. Creating identi.ca, StatusNet which became GNU social, and pump.io which was the basis of AP. Yes, like all the veterans who were here before you lot, Evan's socially liberal and has very little time for alt-right brainworms. But we're also carefully nonpartisan when it comes to the tech.

I would be very concerned about what the SWF or SocialCG had planned if Evan wasn't such a prominent actor in both.

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Jaz is a different story. An arrival on one of the 2017 ships, so not an OG like Evan, DeadSuperHero and Mike McG, or even CLM. But not, as often characterised, an opportunist who turned up as part of Eternal November.

Yes, Jaz is part of Newsmast as well as IFTAS, and toot.wales. But relatively speaking we're still a tiny dev community, so it's neither surprising nor suspicious that some really enthusiastic people have their fingers in a lot of pies.

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I mean shit, if we're going to be wary of people for turning up all over the place, I'm suspicious AF!

I'm a longtimer at SocialHub (from before it was reestablished at the current subdomain), and at fediverse.party, where I'm now Lead Goose. I mouth off regularly in the Fediverse Ideas repo, and the.socialmusic.network. I turn up in a bunch of fediverse-related Matrix rooms, etc, etc.

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What can I say? I'm autistic AF and the verse is one of my special interests. Maybe the same is true for some of the people getting shade cast on them here?

I don't want to propose anything radical but ... Have any of you tried the same kind of calm and reasonable discussion we're having here with any of the people you're suspicious of?

That said, some people do seem to be here to seed division, notably Pincus. But they tend not to contribute anything other than fountains of invective

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>but enables newbie admins/mods to find and use automated support provided by veterans.

I don't think "veterans" should have a say in moderation of an instance they aren't on. The instance administrator/mod team should do the moderation and that's it. The issue with outsourcing your moderation to someone, like Evan wants, and IFTAS and others are pushing (even Mastodon with its new grant for FASPs and content scanning), is that you have to fully trust those people and keep them constantly in check to not overreach/overreact/get biased etc. To use their favorite word, you need very good governance around those people. Worst of all, IFTAS is completely non-transparent in their moderation aggregation sources, receipts or reasons. They are a black box you either fully trust or don't trust at all. I'm very tempted to set up a throwaway instance just to have a look at their walled of CARIAD thing that requires admin privs to your instance.

>replaced by a standard protocol that keeps moderation decentralised

FIRES is that, but immediately after it released to the public in a usable form, I've already seen what people are interested in it. Namely Oliphant and his island networks (read: isolated echo chambers) project. I would be fine with FASPs and FIRES, if there wasn't such a large opportunity to misuse this for state-level censorship of the network years down the road. Something like Pleroma MRF which can optionally talk to some API server to make decisions, is something very similar in nature, but smaller in scope. It can still be abused, but it doesn't have that large of an impact and certainly not influence when compared to size of Mastodon.

>But from my POV, it equally includes identi-Moonies haranguing me for being a racist just for being in this conversation, or talking to folks from the 'Dark Side' at all.

Yeah that sadly happens and its those tensions and refusal to resolve conflicts I talked about. From experience you cannot be the bridge between the two "sides", it is simply impossible to walk the thin rope. One post with a slightly out of place joke and your efforts are now worthless.

>The video posted elsewhere in this hellthread demonstrates that there is a need for newbies setting up fediverse servers to have a simple way to protect themselves from spammers (including griefers).

There is a lack of documentation on how to host a Fediverse instance in general, which is something I would like to work on eventually. Something like resurrecting fediverse.express and making it more resource-centered then getting started centered. That said newbies will probably first join an instance and then consider making their own, which makes the moderation/defederation decisions visible to those users (even when Mastodon blocks access to those without an account) besides being able to ask others.

It is a need for sure, but I think there's more important needs than that currently.

>Supporting newbie admins/mods - and especially self-hosters running single-tenant instances - is particularly important if we want a fediverse of many small-to-medium instances.

100% agreed.

>It would be easy to dismiss IFTAS as an attempt to impose BS-style centralised moderation on the fediverse. But I think that's a mistake. They're trying to solve the same problem, yes, but in a much more fediverse-esque way. Using standardised protocol plumbing that admins/mods can opt-in to, unlike the ATmosphere where BS's labeler is imposed on the whole network.

I'm very hesitant with this considering their weird funding through various US and EU government agencies. Considering that Mastodon now received grants to implement these very shortly after they were released to the public, sponsored by some agency you've never heard of which has ties to the German government. It can be an honest and genuine interest in helping the Fediverse, or government-sponsored control of a decentralized network. Which one is it to you, I will leave you to decide:
fsebugoutzone.org/objects/55b9…
fluffytail.org/objects/d89c032…
And now different parts of the same thread:
fluffytail.org/objects/dcd4037… (Excerpts I took from Jaz's recent blogpost which I recommend to read for more context to this thread and IFTAS in general: jaz.co.uk/2026/03/13/there-are…)
>Have any of you tried the same kind of calm and reasonable discussion we're having here with any of the people you're suspicious of?
fluffytail.org/objects/9acf376… (I and @silverpill tried two months ago to have a similar conversation with Evan, I ended up getting blocked by Evan. Besides that my account is deactivated on Mastosoc after replying to a post made by Pincus (his Privacy Nexus blog to be precise), which is where most of these people are. cwebber blocked me after making a darker joke about ActivityPub extensibility and rubber law paragraphs a year or more ago which I'm fine with, I can be unhinged at times and was much more in the past. I have alts and now also SH if I really want to insert myself into a discussion, so none of this bothers me.)

>Maybe the same is true for some of the people getting shade cast on them here?

I would certainly want to know that, but so far everyone that is involved in this (Evan) and doesn't block me or this instance already for reasons was very touchy about the subject.

>I mean shit, if we're going to be wary of people for turning up all over the place, I'm suspicious AF!

That's not how this works. You aren't suspicious based on what places you show up, it's the actions and language used that speak to me. Otherwise I would also be suspicious of silverpill which I'm not despite him showing up basically everywhere where there is a discussion about AP. But I get your point, I'm basically a walking red flag to some of these people when I regularly talk to @p, have fun in hellthreads, shitpost, sometimes talk to Poasties and also join AP/FEP threads when they are interesting.

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There Are a Million Fediverses, and They’re All Regulated

We’re at a bit of a strange moment in the history of the Internet. Long-standing assumptions about platform freedoms and responsibilities are being tested by a wave of regulation from countri…

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disintermedia.net.nz/ethical-t…

2026-04-25 01:39:28

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN
@taoeffect ran the IFTAS thread ( fsebugoutzone.org/objects/ad4d… ) through a clanker and the clanker suggested that a lot of the information was unverified by hedging all to hell.
So, let's dig up the citations: it turns out that IFTAS is big business! $1,408,877.86, in fact. Not bad for a side-hustle that isn't even your day job, right?
Bringing up the head, the Social Web Foundation, of which @evan is the head ( socialwebfoundation.org/team/ ), doesn't list their EIN on their website. But their donation page ( socialwebfoundation.org/donate… ) says:
> The Social Web Foundation is a fiscally-sponsored project of Exchange Point Institute, a US 501(c)3 non-profit.
The Exchange Points Institute's EIN is 87-1028685. Their Form 990-N on IRS site says they have "Gross receipts not greater than: $50,000" for 2023; ProPublica says ( projects.propublica.org/nonpro… ) that they got $527,410 in 2024, per their 990. Pretty fuckin' heavy! $120k of that was from the Ford Foundation⁰. Congrats, @evan ! If you like, you can also read Mallory Knodel's "Announcing the launch of Social Web Foundation" in the Association for Progressive Communications blog. The bold part from that blog post: "To fight inequality, participate in democracy, build an equitable society and economy, we can’t rely on a few corporate-owned, profit-driven spaces. The Social Web Foundation is our best chance to establish the conditions in which the new social media operates with zero harm." In the following paragraph, Eugen "John Mastodon" Gargamel-Rochko, is quoted as being proud to back the Social Web Foundation and their work.
Total (gross¹): $527,410
Next up, IFTAS itself, $384,375 in 2023, and then another $7,733 in 2024, but they spent $302,567 that year, per projects.propublica.org/nonpro… . The ridiculously circuitous pathway for the money includes the National Endowment for Democracy () and the Open Society Foundation (Soros)². If you rolled your eyes when I said that the glowies were funding IFTAS, I invite you to come dislocate your jaw trying to fit my goddamn dick in your mouth. Looks like plenty of cash for just 40 hours a week, @jaz . Way to hustle!
Total (gross): $919,518
Two of the bigger instances in the "Fediverse Governance" glowop are social.coop and hachyderm.io. There were nine more³, I didn't check, presumably they're worth less money.
The budget for social.coop is, per opencollective.com/socialcoop#… ) £71,952.29 ($97,373.03), of which they have so far spent £42,306.86 ($57,253.87).
Total (gross): $1,016,891.03
hachyderm.io is a little more convoluted: they're owned, per their about page, by the Nivenly Foundation, EIN 92-2345439 (which you've gotta dig out of the IRS because they do not list that on their website). They've pulled in $17,697.88 and haven't touched any of it yet. Way to show some self-restraint, @nova !
Total (gross): $1,034,588.91
Now, this one's trickier! For an undisclosed sum, NewsMast purchased indieweb.social ( timothychambers.net/2025/03/27… ). They claim to have done no trading any of the years they've filed, but they bought indieweb.social in March 2025. They filed as dormant for 2025 and then borrowed £276,575 ($374,288.95 at time of writing), which is currently about . So, unless they've made any big purchases other than that, it looks like they've paid a quarter-million pounds sterling sixabong quidbob for indieweb.social. As noted in the prervious post, NewsMast paid Tim Chambers for this site and Tim Chambers is the...the Executive Director, per the NewsMast site ( about.iftas.org/2024/07/12/tim… ). Now, *that's* how you flip a $10 domain and like a few hundred in hosting costs, @tchambers !
Total (gross, including speculative valuation of indieweb.social): $1,408,877.86
So, you know, cram that in whoever's pipe next time @graf spends a handful of bennies on Crunchbits/Frantech boxes.
⁰ "CORE SUPPORT FOR THE SOCIAL WEB FOUNDATION TO INCREASE THE REACH AND SUSTAINABILITY OF OPEN SOURCE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS" was worth $70k to the Ford Foundation and "CORE SUPPORT TO SURVEY AND INTERVIEW GLOBAL INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE MEMBERS OF THE INFRARED NETWORK THAT PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES TO MULTINATIONAL CORPORATE TECH PLATFORMS TO DEVELOP A LONG TERM AND SUSTAINABLE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE NETWORK" was worth $50k. So, that fediverse governance survey, that was a $50k survey! No big deal, though, the Ford Foundation (EIN 13-1684331) sneezes that on the hour; they control about $17.5B.
¹ I mean that I am totaling the amount of money they receive, but also: I am vomit. Not that making money is wrong, per se, but these are people getting foundation money to kill fedi.
² Real ugly goddamn URL, fuck's sake: datarepublican.com/expose/?cus… .
³ The Individual Eleven:
cosocial.ca/ (cosocial.ca/) | fedilist.com/instance/cosocial… (fedilist.com/instance/cosocial…)
hcommons.social/ (hcommons.social/) | fedilist.com/instance/hcommons… (fedilist.com/instance/hcommons…)
hachyderm.io/ (hachyderm.io/) | fedilist.com/instance/hachyder… (fedilist.com/instance/hachyder…)
masto.donte.com.br/ (masto.donte.com.br/) | fedilist.com/instance/masto.do… (fedilist.com/instance/masto.do…)
mspsocial.net/ (mspsocial.net/) | fedilist.com/instance/mspsocia… (fedilist.com/instance/mspsocia…)
piaille.fr/ (piaille.fr/) | fedilist.com/instance/piaille.… (fedilist.com/instance/piaille.…)
sfba.social/ (sfba.social/) | fedilist.com/instance/sfba.soc… (fedilist.com/instance/sfba.soc…)
social.coop/ (social.coop/) | fedilist.com/instance/social.c… (fedilist.com/instance/social.c…)
tooting.ch/ (tooting.ch/) | fedilist.com/instance/tooting.… (fedilist.com/instance/tooting.…)
wandering.shop/ (wandering.shop/) | fedilist.com/instance/wanderin… (fedilist.com/instance/wanderin…)
woof.group/ (woof.group/) | fedilist.com/instance/woof.gro… (fedilist.com/instance/woof.gro…)

Tim Chambers Joins the IFTAS Advisory Board
We are thrilled to announce the newest addition to the IFTAS Advisory Board: Tim Chambers, co-founder and head of Dewey Digital. Tim brings a wealth of experience and knowledge to our organization,…
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Just want to point out the Nazi Bar allegory is bunk. Fascists operate by courting wealth, then buying the bar and turning it into a Nazi bar; they are the bartender, and they fool you into thinking they're just "tolerating" the Nazis who come in and bully people out.

Invaders don't arrive as a guest. They come in force. Hostile takeovers of communities by refugees fleeing disaster has n e v e r happened. If there's no army, there's no invasion. Invasion won't work without some military operations.

So yeah you can get kicked out of a pub for being disruptive. If your community's so weak it can't welcome outsiders though, that's not a problem with the outsiders.

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@cy @icedquinn @fish @Deplorable_Degenerate @sampler @strypey @light @coolboymew

Have you noticed that the part of the thread you are replying to is mostly apolitical? Nobody is talking about a "Nazi Bar" or about "fascists".

>Hostile takeovers of communities by refugees fleeing disaster has n e v e r happened.

Factually incorrect, if you want the best example of that, look at furry communities and/or Tumblr exodus after its porn ban.

>If your community's so weak it can't welcome outsiders though, that's not a problem with the outsiders.

Outsiders are expected to respect the already existing culture of the community, that's it. Also a curious use of "weak". Weak to what, takeover?

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Weak to being broken up and exploited, unable to work together because you're at each other's throats, that sort of thing.

And there is no apolitical. I was responding to someone talking about hostile takeover of communities, in which the Nazi Bar allegory has been frequently (poorly) made use of. So I just wanted to mention. Not arguing against what they're saying.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @Deplorable_Degenerate @cy @sampler @strypey @light I can't believe we're this long gone from the early 00s era of the Internet that we need to reiterate that "Lurk Moar" was an important netiquette that was more or less true to most random communities you'd find around

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Yes, that; and almost everybody’s forgotten there aren’t any girls on the internet. Almost every problem to be had online was already solved.

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Chaotic Good-ish Barbarian

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In their defense I posted that video of the first round of twitter refugees showing up and having Nazi imagery flashed at them.

Yeah I still remember one of them saying "we need to chase these racists back to the dark corners of the internet"

That absolute retarded motherfucker didn't seem to realize where they were. Neither do they.

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@cy
> Hostile takeovers of communities by refugees fleeing disaster has n e v e r happened

@phnt
> Factually incorrect, if you want the best example of that, look at furry communities and/or Tumblr exodus after its porn ban.

Can you expand on that? Who were the refugees here? What disaster were they fleeing? Whose communities were taken over?

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> Outsiders are expected to respect the already existing culture of the community

How true this is and what it means depends entirely on context and scale.

If you're talking about people joining a fediverse service, or coming into a pub where everyone doesn't know their name, then sure. If you're talking about people standing up new services to join the fediverse, or starting a new pub in a city a bunch of them just moved to, then no. They're free to enact their own culture there.

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>Can you expand on that? Who were the refugees here? What disaster were they fleeing? Whose communities were taken over?

None of this happened here on a large scale, I was speaking generally about communities all over the Internet. Some examples would the various imageboards where previous users got displaced by refugees coming from dying imageboards, same with various forums over the years. Or the probably worst, Tumblr refugees turning places like Twitter communities (yes those exist) to porn infested cesspools.

The closest we have here is people fleeing Twitter before and after Musk got it, starting dumb (de)federation drama/fediblock witch hunts etc. and making Fediverse more political than it already was. I don't know if Twitter qualifies as a "disaster" though. (If it wasn't apparent from this thread yet, I don't like politics and discussions about politics in general. To me Fediverse is a place to have fun, post memes, have interesting discussions and relax, not to indulge and ragebait myself with politics. So feel free to take this with a huge grain of salt.)

>How true this is and what it means depends entirely on context and scale.

Context and scale is a single Fediverse instance, or a small number of very close instances. Neither of you will probably remember the sleepy.cafe gang, or even knew that it existed, but it was a close community of handful instances with close relations and that's what I mean by close instances.

>If you're talking about people joining a fediverse service, or coming into a pub where everyone doesn't know their name, then sure. If you're talking about people standing up new services to join the fediverse, or starting a new pub in a city a bunch of them just moved to, then no. They're free to enact their own culture there.

The first one.

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Twitter banned a lot of people between 2019 and 2021 for various reasons.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @Deplorable_Degenerate @cy @sampler @strypey @light @coolboymew mastodon users can't go 4 minutes without thinking about nazis in some way shape or form

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> mastodon users can't go 4 minutes without thinking about nazis in some way shape or form

Goddammit you just made me think about Nazis. Now I just have to go 5 minuted (don't think about Nazis, think about Nazis ...)

I mean, it could be that the current Executive of the US (and various other countries) are LARPing 1930s Germany that's making us think about Nazis. Just saying ...

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More insidious when they worm their way into an authority position first. Happened on a lot of the old bulletin boards.

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@Eiregoat Read the OP and then this: fluffytail.org/notice/B5gOAe2T…

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Fair enough, but I don't see the threat to fediverse as a whole. If bluesky want to merge with mastadon and create their own little echo-chamber then... ok. It doesn't really affect me.

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Yeah, if Mastadon didn't already largely defederate us this would be a problem like the Tumblr exodus was in the mid 2010s.

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@phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @silverpill @light what's happening the most is they're fucking off back to Twitter.

Mastodon offers them nothing, Twitter offers a lot of the same social media breaking features like reply disabling along with the chance you might get your post in someone's For You feed and the advantage to them of being on the same site.

It's a literal meme that there are Twitter artists with I'M LEAVING THE SITE FOR BLUESKY GUYS posts followed up by a few months later with new posts like nothing happened.

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@PurpCat @phnt @fish @icedquinn @light @sampler @silverpill @strypey Wait, is Busky really dead? Or just there's an exodus of users?

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> Nothing a couple of joint events couldn't fix

Sounds good to me. Although we might need to supply the Mastodon Homeowners Association and the Public Not Public folks with some entheogens stronger than ganja, before they can get out of their own heads and gain the ability to question their own assumptions ; }

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But I agree with Johannes here.

The fediverse emerged from an understanding that no *one* ethical platform can replace the network effects of the megafauna (as CoHost quickly learned). Forcing Ryan to make BF opt-in - after years of causing no problems whatsoever as an opt-out bridge to the IndieWeb - was a ludicrous self-punch by the Mastodon HOA. If we can fully integrated ATProto stuff into the fediverse, so much the better.

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ATProto is in the process of being standardised at IETF. Even if BS is killed tomorrow, and broken up and sold for scrap by its Venture Capitalist owners, ATProto is not going away. Any more than Nostr is.

The AP fediverse came about as a merger of OStatus, Diaspora and DFRN/Zot networks. It seems logical to me that in 10 years time we could be looking back at the AP, ATProto and Nostr networks the same way. From within a fediverse that somehow transcends and includes them all.

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@strypey ATProto is fundamentally different in how it works, it is only decentralized to the smallest extent it can be. Moderation is purposefully more or less centralized with labelers. Which in no doubt is what IFTAS and Mastodon want to effectively build with FIRES and FASPs, it being more decentralized is just a side-effect of AP not being centralized by design. Blocking the central bsky labeler earns you a ban on bsky. These two networks are incompatible in how they operate and want to operate.

Now to the second part, this idea of replacing the status quo with Fediverse is a good idea on paper. Over the years I've watched the Fediverse get worse and worse in both its userbase and the content the userbase puts on the network because of this mentality. First it was years of Twitter refugees going to Mastodon and promoting heavy-handed moderation, breaking federation on purpose, creating fediblock and now IFTAS/FIRES/FASPs. All of these are the result of Fediverse's desire to replace the status quo with itself and it is a death sentence given enough time. Now imagine what bsky refugees will make of this place when they are even more opinionated in their views than the majority of Mastodon users. If Mastodon is what is left of the Twitter left leaving since ~2021, then Bsky is those that didn't leave Twitter because Mastodon was too much of wild west and Mastodon refugees. Opinionated extremists of the already opinionated.

Call it gatekeeping, because that's what it is, but these people should have their own walled of garden they can play in and not bother anyone else. The irony of being part of development of a network that lets anyone say anything they want, where users have no control over other users, while promoting gatekeeping users is not lost on me, but bsky users are a net negative to this network, just like the majority of Mastodon users are.

I don't really care about Nostr since they are just Bitcoin maxis high on $current_llm_model (+ CP), but they are mostly harmless. That said, my timelines were dramatically improved since Gleason went there.

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> ATProto is fundamentally different in how it works

So were the 3 networks that merged to form the current fediverse;

* OStatus: public-only, broadcast-orientated, like ATProto

* Diaspora: private-also, connection-orientated, like ActivityPub

* DFRN/Zot: private+encrypted, connection+broadcast-orientated, shit UX, like Nostr

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> it is only decentralized to the smallest extent it can be

I agree. But this kind of architecture has its place, for those who want to use it. Plus there are plenty of experiments going on with how to use PDS data without a Relay firehose, which is kind of like reinventing Solid. Again, we could be looking at a future convergence here.

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I'm all for finding ways to make ATProto and Nostr accounts fediverse-native, for the same reasons I'm against the Anti-Fedi Meta Pact. The fediverse is for facilitating connections between any 2 people who want to interact, regardless of where they choose to host their accounts. Like email. This has been the pitch since Evan and the Identi.ca folks launched Status.Net to encourage community-hosting. Discriminating against hosts is an account/instance-level concern, not protocol-level.

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I don't think we want protocol engineers and software devs to be making decisions about who "should" be able to talk to each other. For reasons explained in some detail here;

But we absolutely need to enable people to control what they see at account *and* instance level. To control spam, if nothing else.

I think it's reasonable to file instances full of people posting slurs to get attention as 'spam'. But even if I didn't, it's not up to me, nor should it be.

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>But this kind of architecture has its place, for those who want to use it.

I agree and bsky is that place in my opinion. There is one large difference between what ATProto users want and what AP users (at least those than been here for a few years) want. AP leans a lot on user-level moderation where the user has almost absolute control over what their view of the network is. There is only one exception and that is the instance administrator who can force moderation on users of that instance. And even then a user can simply make their own instance and put the administrator out of the equation. ATProto is very different in that regard and uses almost centralized content labelers to first filter content, then allows users to subscribe to blocklists not managed by the user (a dumb idea that Mastodon will likely copy soon) and only after that allows user-level moderation. And users of the respective networks expect and want this difference. AP user mostly wants to moderate their own view with small exceptions done by the admnistrator, meanwhile ATProto users expect the moderation to be mostly done for them. That is the incompatibility in how they operate I talked about; you can interoperate between the two networks, just like Nostr, but the expected way of moderation is the polar opposite.

>The fediverse is for facilitating connections between any 2 people who want to interact, regardless of where they choose to host their accounts. Like email.

I agree and adding bsky-esque moderation centralization into AP throws a wrench into this mostly working system. At that point it no longer is about facilitating connections between users, but facilitating connections between users only if an overseer and some amount of instance administrators all agree. It is no longer email.

>This has been the pitch since Evan and the Identi.ca folks launched Status.Net to encourage community-hosting.

And I agree with that pitch, but Evan either lost his plot in the last few years, got paid to loose his plot or simply doesn't understand yet what the consequences of what he wants are. He may have create Status.Net, created OStatus(2), co-created GS and co-authored ActivityPub, but what he wants now removed a lot of the credibility he accumulated over the years at least for me.

>I don't think we want protocol engineers and software devs to be making decisions about who "should" be able to talk to each other. For reasons explained in some detail here;
>disintermedia.net.nz/ethical-t…

Since I contribute to Pleroma and also am a Fediverse user for more than 5 years now, I have two hats that I wear depending on what the topic and context in question is.
I agree with what you wrote in that article, mostly, which was a good read. Software should stay apolitical and impartial to who uses it and that is my stance and has been for a very long time. And that's the mentality I will always put ActivityPub to, I'm in no place to dictate who should use the Fediverse or who is allowed to use Pleroma. Neither do I want to have that power, I'm not interested in it. My stance on gatekeeping bsky users away isn't a stance on the software dev or protocol engineer side, but on the user side as a long time user of the Fediverse. I've seen the effects of similar users joining in en masse and don't want it to happen again.

>But we absolutely need to enable people to control what they see at account *and* instance level. To control spam, if nothing else.

My stance is, users should control almost all of this and administrators should only get involved in controlling spam or getting rid of illegal content from their server and making sure it doesn't come again from the same source. That is what instance-level moderation should be used for in my opinion. Software devs and protocol engineers shouldn't have control over who uses the Fediverse, nor should administrators have intrusive control over what users of an instance see unless its for the above.

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> got paid to loose his plot

A little over half a million dollars, apparently.

> My stance is, users should control almost all of this

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@strypey ATProto is not that good. Nobody would want to use it without the network effects of Bluesky.

AP and Nostr are different and may indeed merge in the future. It is possible to use Nostr identities (public keys) in nomadic ActivityPub, and likewise it is possible to use Nostr relays for storing nomadic ActivityPub data.

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> ATProto is not that good. Nobody would want to use it without the network effects of Bluesky. AP and Nostr are different and may indeed merge in the future

I remember the same sort of partisan claims being made in fediverse 0.1 (before AP);

mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/116…

But this focus on protocols means you're not seeing the forest for the trees. The fediverse is not a network of protocols. It's a network of *people*, who have agreed to communicate over a protocol(s) (if indirectly).

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> ATProto is fundamentally different in how it works
So were the 3 networks that merged to form the current fediverse;
* OStatus: public-only, broadcast-orientated, like ATProto
* Diaspora: private-also, connection-orientated, like ActivityPub
* DFRN/Zot: private+encrypted, connection+broadcast-orientated, shit UX, like Nostr

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> Let Mastodon/W3C do their thing until incompatibilities accumulate and the network splits?

I don't understand how these 2 very distinct galaxies of factions can be seen as some unified Other. Who from Mastodon is involved in SocialCG/ WG? What evidence is there of W3C specs having any impact on what Mastodon does?

Like @p's OP, these perceived webs of relationships and connections just don't exist. At least not in the way you think.

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I didn't say that Mastodon and W3C are the same thing. They are just two organizations whose interests are not aligned with ours.

Historically, there wasn't much collaboration between them (despite the fact that all W3C regulars are Mastodon users). I think Gargron, as a builder, has no patience for bureaucracy and linked data nonsense. But now he is removed from his CEO position so I expect things to change. They are already changing, as the recent announcements show.

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@silverpill @icedquinn @fish @sampler @strypey @light The new CEO just seems to be a sockpuppet to Newsmast/Flipboard etc, just from his introductory post. He seems completely sterile in his views.

I don't know what the thought process was for putting a guy that has supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade on Mastodon into the CEO position. Other than that he possibly is easily manipulated, but that pure speculation on my part.

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> I don't know what the thought process was for putting a guy that has supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade on Mastodon into the CEO position.

It is very easy to get some people to agree to agree that "You should leave management to the professional managers and you can just get on with the coding" and it always turns out the same way.

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> "You should leave management to the professional managers and you can just get on with the coding"

As @cy pointed out elsewhere in this hellthread, this is not how it works. Bean counters take over projects by coercive means, and push engineers into subordinate positions. This happened at Goggle around the time they dropped "don't be evil", killed 20% time and most of the resulting projects, and assimilated the remaining ones into G+.

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@PurpCat @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill @strypey We either put Glass-Steagall back or we stop letting the government print money, and that's the only way to get the psychopaths back out of the computing.

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> We either put Glass-Steagall back or we stop letting the government print money

Since you're talking about US policy I don't get a vote, but I'd go for the first one. Even Moldbug has acknowledged that fixed supply currencies are fundamentally broken.

Also, in modern economies it's banks that issue new money, not governments. Under neoliberal norms govts have to issue bonds (ie create debts) when they have a budget deficit.

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> supposedly been in the Mastodon team for years and made a couple hundred posts over more than half a decade

How do you know? Maybe they mostly post Followers-only or reply privately to other people's posts?

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> I think Gargron, as a builder, has no patience for bureaucracy and linked data nonsense.

cf. Eunomia

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> all W3C regulars are Mastodon users

I'm guessing you mean SocialCG/WG. Not true, the Chair of the newly announced SocialWG is Darius, who's a Hometown user. Also, this appears to me to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If devs from other projects refuse to take up the open invite to join SocialCG/WG, then there won't be representation from a diverse range of AP implementations there 🤷‍♂️

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> Who from Mastodon is involved in SocialCG/ WG?

cwebber -> social.coop -> Pincus

> these perceived webs of relationships and connections just don't exist

I cited all of them. You can click the links or not, but you probably shouldn't confidently announce that it's fake without reading it. I have also just CC'd you on the other post that I said I'd CC you on a few days ago and then did not do so until now because I'm all over the map but am coalescing today.

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> Who from Mastodon is involved in SocialCG/ WG?

@p
> cwebber -> social.coop -> Pincus

CLW has never been involved in Mastodon, and regularly gripes about their distortions of the drafters intentions for AP. Particularly Mastodon devs refusing to support the AP C2S API. They came into fediverse dev as a GNU MediaGoblin maintainer, then set up Spritely.

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Social.coop is a platform co-op that emerged from the Buy Twitter campaign, and is aligned with the Platform Co-op Consortium. They also regularly gripe about Mastodon, and they're more aligned with Bonfire (see bonfire.social.coop), which was started by and is advised by a group of social.coop members. Some of them are keen to experiment with hosting ATProto PDS, because "we're not mastodon.coop".

Incidentally their Loomio is another place I pop up.

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AFAIK CLW hasn't been involved in any AP standards work since Sebastian's account chased them off SH. I don't think any social.coop members are active in SocialCG/WG, can you name any?

As for Pincus, a) you're giving them way too much credit to assume they have any interest in or aptitude for standards work, and b) they are one of the most vicious critics of SWF on SH, and see SocialCG/WG as controlled by them (because Evan).

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> you probably shouldn't confidently announce that it's fake without reading it

Agreed, and if you mean the scuttlebutt in your OP, I read it. I didn't click the links, because most of what your speculations just don't matches my experience of dealing with the fediverse dev community. Which I've been doing since before Mastodon existed, and intensely since I got involved with fediverse.party in 2017.

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> The reason is Gargron was autistic about his vision of a Twitter

I'm not sure if Gargron is autistic and this is neither here nor there. I think the word you're looking for is 'obsessive' (me=actually autistic).

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Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis? A lot of people online just pretend to be autistic so they can get free money (see #mutualaid tag) and get away with being rude. I'm not saying you're a liar, but I've seen some things on here before.

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> Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis?

Can you prove you're a human and not a Trained #MOLE?

> A lot of people online just pretend to be autistic so they can get free money

I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten posting requests for money. Can you link to some of these posts to jog my memory?

Way to utterly miss the point dude. You're not even in same country as the point. I'm not sure you're even on the same planet.

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> Can you prove that you have an autism diagnosis?

Participation in this thread is sufficient for a diagnosis.

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@sampler @icedquinn @fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill @light stop gatekeeping autism

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@strypey @phnt @icedquinn @fish @sampler @silverpill @light It's an expression, you know, most bastards aren't actually illegitimate children.

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> It's an expression, you know

Indeed. It's an expression that associates being autistic with various negative personality traits (in this case being obsessive to the point of breaking UX). Like calling anyone who does dysfunctional shit "skitzo" associates that behaviour with being schizophrenic. FTS.

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> It's an expression that associates being autistic with various negative personality traits

Likewise with "bastard". I mean, look at it: the colloquial use of the term is describing someone as amoral or brutish and the implication of using the word "bastard" for that is "You act as if you were raised without a father".

Mainly, though, look: uphill battle trying to get normies to care or to stop being shitty and it is a complete and utter mistake to use their viewpoint as the frame of reference. As far as I'm concerned, they're the ones with fucked-up heads, not me. I don't care whether they have a negative evaluation of me because it is not something that I can alter and it turns out that it's not something that affects my life and I refuse to pretend that I'm not a fucking weirdo. It's more goddamn harmful to let normies define the terms of anything than it is for people to use hyperbole or figurative language.
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> uphill battle trying to get normies to care or to stop being shitty

No doubt. Most ambitious things worth doing are.

If people avoided uphill battles, the US would still be (openly) enslaving black people, South Africa would still have Apartheid, and most people would still have an islampaphobic view of the IDF's genocide, where the Palestinians are getting their just rewards for being mean to Middle Eastern Jews (which they weren't).

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> No doubt. Most ambitious things worth doing are.

It's an ambitious *PR campaign*. The fact that it's difficult to do and that things worth doing are also difficult to do doesn't imply that it is worth doing.

You do what you want, you know, but the only thing that matters is whether or not they can stop you. They can't stop me.

> If people avoided uphill battles

If people *didn't* avoid wasting time and energy on shit that doesn't matter, we'd be extinct.

> the IDF's genocide

I JUST LOVE

WHEN PEOPLE DRAG ISRAEL INTO THE THREAD

BECAUSE THAT NEVER CAUSES AN ARGUMENT ON FEDI

Here: slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/… . Consider it a supplement to "Geeks, MOPs, and Sociopaths", and then round it off by watching the BBS documentary.

In closing, normies delenda est. @p locuta est.

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> It's an ambitious *PR campaign*

All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way, and even more so before they succeeded.

> I JUST LOVE WHEN PEOPLE DRAG ISRAEL INTO THE THREAD

I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here, in which no one will object to a simple statement of fact about how majority perceptions have changed. Am I wrong?
slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/…

Read it. Agree it's insightful.

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @sampler @silverpill @light Because of the Israel Slavery Apartheid thing, I'm going to split this:

> All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way, and even more so before they succeeded.

All of the things you mentioned remain contentious issues, not settled matters of public opinion.

At any rate, my point was that you feel free to try to win the normies' hearts and minds: I'm not going to stop you. But I would like to convince you that it is fruitless (though you do not seem inclined to agree; that is fine, I don't push, I'm not interested in PR campaigns or advocacy but I think for your own sake you should tell the normies to fuck themselves). I do find it moderately insulting that you default to their opinion being the frame of reference; I think this is misguided because it will cause you problems but I think being called a spergy retard is *less* insulting than the presupposition that a thing is not real until the normies agree, so I'd like to convince you to stop that presupposition, but I am also not really going to try too hard at that, either. I do think you should not try to police the rest of us spergy retards on the grounds that normies might get the wrong idea; I intend to ignore any such concerns and it's irritating to hear them brought up, not least of all because the presupposition that it matters what they think is incorrect. They are defective: LLMs demonstrated this. But that doesn't matter: what matters is you're trying to squeeze reciprocity from a stone that hates you, and you will not get reciprocity from them by letting them decide the game and then playing by the rules that they have constructed specifically to constrain you.

> Read it. Agree it's insightful.

I like it; I think it is a reasonable piece to bring up for discussions of scope creep.

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@strypey @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @sampler @silverpill Now, the third rail:

> All the examples I listed could be dismissed in that way

No, slavery in the US ended because of a war, not a PR campaign. The PR campaign to end it was a spectacular failure because Cash Rules Everything Around You. A lot of people say a lot of things about what happened and who started it and the Civil War and slavery. Here it is, civilwarcauses.org/judah-farew… .

> most people would still have an islampaphobic view of the IDF's genocide

This is the most circular: "if the PR campaign to change people's opinions hadn't succeeded, then people wouldn't have changed their opinions".

> I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here

Sir, you have mentioned Israel on the Internet. Of course you can presume that everyone will be sensible: no one treats Israel emotionally and only sophisticated and rigorously honest interlocutors ever jump into threads on the internet. Threads are *never* derailed by people that care very much about Israel and that will shit all over any other topic just because they saw someone mention Israel. Israel is definitely not one of fedi's Third Rails.

I know one of the babka.social admins and *they*, a *Jewish* instance, essentially allllllll the way on the other side of fedi from FSE in the farthest corners, cannot manage to keep people from losing their entire shit when Israel is mentioned. 75% of all UN resolutions that mention at least one polity by name mention either Israel or Palestine, because *diplomats* cannot manage to keep their opinions about Israel in their pants.

Everyone on earth is very angry at either Israel or Palestine and they all feel it is very important that everyone else on earth have exactly the same opinion.

> a simple statement of fact about how majority perceptions have changed

A "statement of fact" doesn't include characterizations: public opinion has shifted away from Israel due to astroturfing; public opinion before was strongly pro-Israel due to astroturfing. These are facts. "It's a genocide. It's islamophobic." These are characterizations, not facts.

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Me:
> I'm presuming I'm in sensible company here

Guess not. Moving on ...

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> Guess not. Moving on ...

Unless it's a DM, Israel is a third rail and the internet is not reasonable.

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> All of the things you mentioned remain contentious issues, not settled matters of public opinion

Slavery is illegal in the US. The SA Apartheid regime was defeated. Public opinion on the IDF genocide has shifted. These are facts. People's opinions on these facts are neither here nor there.

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As for your views on advocating for autistics being treated as full human beings, you're correct that you have a snowball's chance in hell of convincing me it's not worth doing that. But you do you.

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> Slavery is illegal in the US.

Because of a war, not a PR campaign.

> These are facts.

That public opinion on Israel has shifted is a fact; that it is a genocide is a characterization.

Geopolitics is amoral. Trying to use terms associated with morality to describe it is about as useful as describing a computer as evil.

> People's opinions on these facts are neither here nor there.

My point, yes. Nihil est incertius volgo.

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light
Slavery is not illegal in the US when the slave is someone like a free beer extremist who is incarcerated.

Public opinion on the idf doesn't matter. Material actions are what change history. Only Iran took action against Israel and it's not working out too well for them.

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You're entirely right ya rat bastard

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> defense
i tend to favor education in how controllers work as a cybernetic concept, because people do understand they are being predated upon but they keep thinking winning one vote means anything.

it doesn't, really, because they're more like advanced persistent threats or systems that specialize in taking over systems.

i think i outlined this already with the note that sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this, which is probably also the whole point of the mops vs geeks article

its hard to blame them though because schooling in the USA was literally co-opted to produce easily controlled morons, and the model is replicated worldwide to varying degrees of success.

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@icedquinn @strypey @fish @light @phnt @silverpill

> i think i outlined this already with the note that sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this, which is probably also the whole point of the mops vs geeks article

My takeaway was "this is the lifecycle of subcultures".

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> My takeaway was "this is the lifecycle of subcultures"

I would say the main point was 'this is why subcultures are unsustainable as a mode of meaningness'. One that can eject sociopaths becomes something else.

> sociopaths are morally comfortable using everyone for their own ends, while normal people don't really do much to stop this

... is just an assumption baked into common usage of the term, which is followed by its use in the article.

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...the rest of the story.

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>...the rest of the story.

Pavlov's dogs drooled on queue regardless of whether the situation actually calls for that. Maybe we can be more aware of context that? *sigh*

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> I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments
I'm just rolling with the playful banter style of posting you folks seem to favour. I hope it didn't distract you from the point I was making.
> that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point
Sure, but it's totally orthogonal to the point I was making. We don't need to follow the script here folks, we can improv. Go wild! ; }
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@nicholas @icedquinn @phnt @strypey @silverpill @light karl just spent two volumes explaining why Plato and much of the downstream philosophy (western culture) was 'intolerant', 30 tyrants etc. 90% garbage, it's purpose is to nudge us to a lame combo of fabianism with a pretend libertarian shell. they gave him an OBE for licking the boots of the royals. Read Robin Collingwood, forget Popper.

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> Plato and much of the downstream philosophy (western culture)

Firstly, there was never was a "West". Plato and other Greek writers saw themselves as part of a Mediterranean civilisation, with no connection to anything going on in what we now think of as Europe;

theanarchistlibrary.org/librar…

According to David Miles, to classical Greeks, Europeans were among the Keltoi; the barbarians to the north;

hardtofind.co.nz/book/xxbbaa41…

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> Plato and much of the downstream philosophy (western culture) was 'intolerant'

Platonism has very little to do with anything we'd recognise today as a democracy or a republic. Plato was a fan of a Brave New World style society where parenting is abolished and the state raises kids without families to breed loyalty to the Republic.

Contemporary anglophone society is more the intellectual descendant of Socrates than Plato.

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> [Popper's] purpose is to nudge us to a lame combo of fabianism with a pretend libertarian shell

Sounds OK to me. Would be a big improvement on the self-terminating state-corporate hellscape we've been living in so far in the 21st.

> they gave him an OBE for licking the boots of the royals

Popper lived in the UK. They hand out OBEs like plastic straws. I think even Spike Milligan got one, a man who never licked anyone's boots, except maybe to take the piss out of them.

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> Read Robin Collingwood

Thanks for the tip, hadn't heard of them. Care to link a particular article or 2 relevant to the current discussion?

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Contemporary anglophone society is more the intellectual descendant of Socrates than Plato.

The guy they killed because he was such an insufferable prick to everyone?

Yeah, that tracks.

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@cy I see you have chosen violence

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Inviting violence on myself for being an insufferable prick isn't exactly what most people mean by that phrase...

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@WaughheadRex Muted for a month for casually slinging slurs. It only takes one drop of shit in soup to make it shit soup mate.

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> there was never was a "West". Plato and other Greek writers saw themselves as part of a Mediterranean civilisation, with no connection to anything going on in what we now think of as Europe;

Well, Hellenic. But the philosophical foundations of what is now considered "Western" (that is, just Europe plus the Anglosphere, regardless of whether it's in "the West" or not, because the term is wrong) has Plato, the Corpus Juris Civilis, etc.

I don't like the term either, but I know what people mean when they use it; that's sufficient.

> theanarchistlibrary.org/librar…

I hate Graeber so I don't plan to read it because the man is a simpering idiot and a sophist but if he means that there never was a unified Europe, sure.

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Um, West is an English word and Plato spoke Greek. Therefore it's impossible for Plato to describe himself as Western.

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@parker @WaughheadRex @icedquinn @light @nicholas @phnt @silverpill @strypey It's mainly because Plato didn't own any guns or cattle.

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Liberal cuck confirmed

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Can't see what you're replying to but sounds based.
To be libertarian/liberal you must first be tolerant of (not be or support violence towards) different ideas. Don't see what's so 'pretend' about it.

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> Don't see what's so 'pretend' about it.

He was saying that Fabianism is a pretend libertarianism.

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> the whole book is very much against authoritarian solutions to problems. unlimited tolerance is spoken next to societies that literally did the "someone is a threat to our power with their words, kill them" behavior people actually misquote the paradox to justify.

That is more reasonable than the popular definition.

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light See, that's extending the concept of "tolerance" to "unconditional acceptance to the point of death". Nobody that intends to have a tolerant society can *possibly* mean "radical absolute acceptance of the society's death". A tolerant society means what, precisely?

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> A tolerant society means what, precisely?

That's the million dollar question, isn't it. One we've all been grappling with since Popper's time, and probably much longer.

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light Well, what I mean to say is not "Is there an objective classification?" but "What do you mean when you use that term?"

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> What do you mean when you use that term?

A tolerant society is what it says on the tin. One in which there is tolerance of difference. That *includes* tolerating a minority who hold onto intolerant views, in the hopes that the various factors that generate such intolerance can be understood and alleviated.

Why do you ask?

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> A tolerant society is what it says on the tin.

"These words mean different things to different people. What do you mean when you use the term?"
'I mean what the term says.'

It's like "nazis", you know, someone says "That guy's a Nazi" and you have to ask what the hell the guy means by that--does he like authoritarianism, or specifically Hitler's version, or specifically Hitler, or does he hate Jews, or does he just mean that the guy voted for Hillary instead of Bernie, or did he just see him use a slur once and he's inferred beliefs? I have seen *all* of those meanings attached to the word "nazi" and I don't really care what words a person uses to get their meaning across as long as I know what they mean when they use those words.

> That *includes* tolerating a minority who hold onto intolerant views, in the hopes that the various factors that generate such intolerance can be understood and alleviated.

Well, sure, but which things count as intolerance and what is tolerance? Which things should be tolerated? Have you tolerated someone if you've tried to alter their views?

People treat a tolerant society as a good one, but some people have a view of tolerance that doesn't sound good. I think, you know, as long as people can go about their business without the coercive use of force, no matter how weird or unpopular their business is, that's tolerant.

> Why do you ask?

Mainly the discussion of the paradox of tolerance introduced some ambiguity.

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@fish @phnt @strypey @silverpill @light y'all could have read the book in all this time you've been jorking each other's hot dogs.

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@mitchconner @fish @icedquinn @light @phnt @silverpill @strypey "It's the best meat there is!"

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> don't really care what words a person uses to get their meaning across as long as I know what they mean when they use those words

Meanings are not inherent in words, but endowed on them by usage. So I'm not sure how else one could sensibly use language.

> Have you tolerated someone if you've tried to alter their views?

Yes, of course, as long as you haven't tried to alter them with coercion. Tolerance is not necessarily acceptance.

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> People treat a tolerant society as a good one, but some people have a view of tolerance that doesn't sound good

I'm not sure what this means. But I'm willing to tolerate people with questionable views of tolerance. As long as their actions aren't coercive or violent (outside of direct self-defense or direct defence of innocents).

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@strypey
What if they are not coercive or violent, but only because they fear the justice system and are liable to become such if and when they get control of said justice system?

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> Meanings are not inherent in words, but endowed on them by usage. So I'm not sure how else one could sensibly use language.

Sure, but this is why I say things like "I don't like that term" or "I don't use that term" rather than trying to police someone's use of the term. I say "people" instead of "users" when discussing FSE, for example, and I bristle a little when admins say "my users" instead of "people using my instance" or "people on this instance" or something. I don't like when people call LLMs "AI", because they do not model knowledge, they're just really good at predicting which word comes next. I'm comfortable saying "Don't call it that" when it's a term that has meaning in my profession and then is used sloppily but that's an uphill battle. People used to refer to the box the monitor plugs into as a "CPU" or a "hard drive", and these are incorrect uses of the term because there's not an agreed-upon colloquial use.

People refer to an obsession with detail as "autism" and I don't argue with them. I've got the 'tism and my 'tism flares up and I start taking things apart or trying to analyze systems or gibbering wildly about whatever (usually computers or the CIA or something; someone sends me a Youtube link and I used to dump six paragraphs about Google at them but I do that a little less now) and that is something that can probably be ascribed to mild autism, but they're using the world colloquially, same way "bastard" is used colloquially.

> Yes, of course, as long as you haven't tried to alter them with coercion. Tolerance is not necessarily acceptance.

In the sense that an evangelist tolerates a non-believer, perhaps. But living and letting live is a different thing from persistent attempts to shape someone else; I think it crosses the line from tolerance to soft-intolerance if you persist too much or if you attempt to influence without accepting that you may be wrong yourself. Not saying that's you, just saying I'd call those intolerant; this is one of my complaints about the topic from the beginning of the thread, people with opaque agendas that pretend to engage but are actually just pushing. The issue is summed up by this attempt at dissecting the end of Usenet and a proposal for a future system ( archive.is/vJaEG ):

> Conversations became one man with one microphone attached to a thousand megaphones, and replying was like talking back to the national news broadcast, because you could reply to a shill, but the man giving the shill her script was not listening, because he was running a hundred similar shills, and his shill would just stick to her script, the script he had assigned to her no matter what you replied to her script.
> Her replies to your reply would be unresponsive, because they came from a script written by a man who had never thought about or foreseen your reply.
> Conversations came to resemble the conversations you have with a non player character in a video game, a scripted robotic simulation of actual conversation, or the conversations on a help line with an unhelpful third world help line worker to whom English is a second language, and who is reading from a script, a script written by a man whose native tongue is English, but his script is designed to deal with certain common problems that do not in the slightest resemble the problem you have with the product, because the man writing her script did not foresee your problem.

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> the paradox of tolerance

I don't think the paradox of tolerance is a real paradox; it requires a really terrible premise that eliminates human agency and consequentialists/utilitarians/positivists love to use it to play three-card monte.

> reducing the capacity of the community to be inclusive?

I think it's okay to stop people from exploiting fedi, you know?

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> I don't think the paradox of tolerance is a real paradox

Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century, or read Chapman's piece about how subcultures fail again. Because it absolutely is. Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

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> I think it's okay to stop people from exploiting fedi, you know?

Exactly what I'm saying. In defence of the inclusiveness of the verse, we need to exclude sociopaths from having any role of influence in fediverse dev. Including but not limited to actual fascists, and pseudo-liberal authoritarians.

But to avoid this being divisive, and exploitable by sociopaths, it needs to be based on identifying patterns of *behaviour* not Othering and demonising people or groups/ types of people.

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> Then I suggest you learn a bit more about the history of the 20th century

I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments. I'm pretty familiar with the Malthusian nihilist utilitarians that took power in the 1930s and defined the post-Bernays world.

> or read Chapman's piece

I have read it at least twice. I refer people to it frequently.

> Just not in the way centrist authoritarians claiming to be liberals spin it.

Well, that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point.

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> I also don't tend to buy "If you don't agree with my conclusion, you must not know what I know" arguments

I'm just rolling with the playful banter style of posting you folks seem to favour. I hope it didn't distract you from the point I was making.

> that was Quinn's point and I think it's a reasonable point

Sure, but it's totally orthogonal to the point I was making. We don't need to follow the script here folks, we can improv. Go wild! ; }

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@strypey @icedquinn @fish @phnt @silverpill @light Yeah, I mean, I think "You're trying to get us all killed and you're being paid ungodly sums of money for it so I no longer am interested in speaking to you" is a reasonable thing to say to someone that is trying to get us all killed and being paid ungodly sums of money for that.

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> a reasonable thing to say to someone that is trying to get us all killed and being paid ungodly sums of money for that

Can't think of any good reason to disagree with that.

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> @strypey shows up in some of those threads and says sensible things

Should it worry me that the self-described "free speech extremists" say that, and everyone else seems to think I'm an aspy-hole? It doesn't.

I try to assume good faith with everyone, always, and ask probing questions in search of deeper understanding. When I get aggressively defensive non-answers, I tend to feel bad, and assume I'm doing it wrong. But maybe I ought to get suspicious instead? Hmm.

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> Should it worry me that the self-described "free speech extremists" say that

Well, obviously, in my opinion, no.

> and everyone else seems to think I'm an aspy-hole?

Sir...

> I try to assume good faith with everyone, always, and ask probing questions in search of deeper understanding. When I get aggressively defensive non-answers, I tend to feel bad, and assume I'm doing it wrong.

My 'tism flares up and I am pretty good at reading incentives and terrible at reading affect. "This is not what you'd do if you wanted this; you'd have to want that or the other."

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I want to speak up for Evan P, who I think has also been a juicy target for identi-Moonies (eg Jon Pincus, who I wouldn't piss on if they was on fire). Resulting in apparently evasive behaviour on Evan's part that's actually defensive, and a level of sensitivity to the normal rough and tumble of online dev debate that's caused by it triggering memories of being brigaded.

Eg the SWF hellthread on SH. The people gunning for Evan, mostly the same who later targeted me.

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@strypey @fish @phnt @silverpill Well, I'm willing to believe he's a little overly cautious but I see the FEP thread, he's suggesting that everyone use a proprietary Microsoft service, I see reasonable discussion, then I see him back out and then say "I was personally attacked and they didn't merge my FEP, how do I get them banned from Codeberg?" And not just once, I see that same style in the other thread: cosocial.ca/@evan/116019337987… .

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@phnt

>the timestamp on the "Scope of the socialhub policy" post is August 1, 2023,

Hmm. I see Aug 8, 2023 7:40 PM.

Indeed, it was not made after the withdrawal of the PR (I confused it with another thread). This one was made right after my first comments on the PR.

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> Hmm. I see Aug 8, 2023 7:40 PM.

Yeah, it makes me think that the post was created in order to get ready; you notice he claimed that the discussion was unproductive and then went back to that thread to claim that he was personally attacked (which I don't see in the Codeberg thread) and that the FEP was not allowed to be merged, almost like he decided to withdraw it and make the complaint beforehand.
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@silverpill I like how the guy opened the PR, and the discussions were really well structured and well laid out, brought up lots of other ideas and the ups and downsides thereto; and the freak closes it with:

> This conversation is not very fruitful, so I'm withdrawing the PR. I'm going to rework this proposal and submit it to the SocialCG directly instead.

Yeah, of course. Because there's nothing worse than quality discussions poking holes at your proposal, allowing you to learn and adapt.

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> Because there's nothing worse than quality discussions poking holes at your proposal, allowing you to learn and adapt.

Yeah, that was my thought, like, they do this stuff because they want to look like they're participating, but they stop fast when it becomes apparent that they can't force an agenda.

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@fish @silverpill I didn't expect this much resistance, let me try to introduce it in my hugbox where people will most likely agree with me by default.*

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@silverpill JFC, a few weeks ago I was joking "Countdown to first public server on the Fediverse with Persona-provided age verification", and now I'm finding out some jokers tried to get endorsement for servers running every user-uploaded image by §$#!§-ing PhotoDNA two years ago already. I'm reeling, honestly.

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> the .de government refers to fedi as "The Hydra on the Web"

Projection sounds the same in every language.

> They are trying to present "Choose the color of the bikeshed!" as a choice before you've agreed to let them build a house.
> They are trying to push an agenda. The agenda is to kill fedi by turning it into a centrally controlled system, these are the mechanics.

They would have to change the spec to accomplish their goals though, or that’s at least what it seems like to an idiot like me; wouldn’t that just create an isolated fediverse that is partially-incompatible with, well, literally everything that already exists, and dies slowly like BlueSky? You said

> No action item

but it really seems like no action is necessary, only vigilance.

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> Projection sounds the same in every language.

> wouldn’t that just create an isolated fediverse that is partially-incompatible with, well, literally everything that already exists, and dies slowly like BlueSky

Worth noting, all of these people list Busky accounts alongside their (often only partially disclosed) fedi accounts.

> but it really seems like no action is necessary, only vigilance.

I could come up with some action suggestions, but the main one I have is "get back to work, Pete" and suggesting to other people that I get back to work is kind of absurd.

Mainly I think it's better to point a flashlight. I am frustrated that people constantly take the bait and then the servers get blocked so you can't say things like "Why didn't you disclose that you are on the board?" or "You paid these people to conduct this research or build this product and you're talking it like the results have come out of nowhere and shocked you and you've just had a huge realization" but I can't really control other people so I am flooding my personal wiki with shit. (Side-effect of FediBBS: it is easy to copy and paste bios and threads into my wiki, especially since I'm running FediBBS in acme anyway.) So if I were to suggest something that other people do, it's "Here are the dots I have connected, please add dots or draw more lines" and "These people should be ignored: they're sockpuppeting their way into fake mandates and trying to set up a governing body."

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They would have to change the spec to accomplish their goals though, or that’s at least what it seems like to an idiot like me; wouldn’t that just create an isolated fediverse that is partially-incompatible with, well, literally everything that already exists, and dies slowly like BlueSky? You said

Yes, that's how it would play out if they didn't have large projects interested in their agenda. Issue is, Mastodon is onboard with this and Pixelfed is in SWF so I guess dansup also agrees to some extent. So the partially incompatible isolated Fediverse would be us. They don't necessarily have to change the protocol either, only implement "features" in such a way that a large network split will happen.

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> Yes, that's how it would play out if they didn't have large projects interested in their agenda. Issue is, Mastodon is onboard of this

And Masto is more than comfortable to pretend to participate in the process and then swerve into doing something inexplicable and worse.

> and Pixelfed is in SWF

> So the partially incompatible isolated Fediverse would be us.

Free fedi.

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@Phantasm @:seven: @pistolero @lainbot, random Lain screenshots @whereverbot His mails to sign up to any of his instances have bad site certificates btw. was surfing there a few days ago.
It's a security flaw marked by my mail as phishing.. they don't maintain it.
TILvidz was the instance.

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@phnt @vii not even a conspiracy like this will make dansup complete a pixelfed feature

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@vii
> but it really seems like no action is necessary, only vigilance.
something something the price of liberty is eternal vigilence

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@icedquinn QUINN

WHAT THE FUCK

I MADE A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE OUT OF SHEER FRUSTRATION WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

NO I DIDN'T TAG YOU WHEN DO I EVER TAG PEOPLE

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@vii where i always am. sitting in a cardboard box on blob.cat

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@icedquinn

so what do you get when posix sh and elixir have a baby, raised by a lispy nun in a perl convent?

I'm refactoring the whole ast, lexer and parser currently so don't like. don't use it. but I thought it was stupid that only elixir really made good use of erlang features like that when I get most of it for free with a kernel and can compensate for what I'm missing with goroutines.

so it's a shell that you can write a genserver in.

GitHub - elizafairlady/ish: posix sh and elixir had a really ugly baby

posix sh and elixir had a really ugly baby. Contribute to elizafairlady/ish development by creating an account on GitHub.

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is there any way to poison their service?

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@MK2boogaloo They've mentally air-gapped it, ha.

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can I fedpost for this?

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@MK2boogaloo I ain't stoppin' ye.

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>If you have noticed that these people get hostile and instance-block you if you ever question their premise (as happened in that thread when phnt asked some pretty obviously good-faith questions), this is because they are pushing an agenda.

Way to state the obvious.

> why all the press about the "CSAM problem" on fedi, where did that come from?
>These people built a detector...

It's less of building one and more to have witch hunt to throw out on people they hate.
It's the fedi equivalent of WMDs.
The obvious ones are reported and blocked, because let's be honest. Every pedo I see here are retarded and love showing off their fetish that should get them shot in the head as a result.
No, it's just to wage war on instances that they can't control.
Simple as.

>They are trying to push an agenda. The agenda is to kill fedi by turning it into a centrally controlled system, these are the mechanics.

Again stating the obvious.
When has the government, especially ours, ever wanted to downsize their surveillance?

>I think revolver should probably include some kind of "import/mirror git repo" feature in v2, or anyway I have "git support" in there somewhere

Is revolver coming out this year?

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@NonPlayableClown

> It's less of building one and more to have witch hunt to throw out on people they hate.

That was what I said, yes.

> No, it's just to wage war on instances that they can't control.

This is my reasoning, yeah.

> Again stating the obvious.

A lot of stuff seems obvious but a lot of people don't notice it until you spell it out. It can be difficult tot ell what's obvious. Anyway, I had to tie it off; it's just rambling unless I make the thesis explicit.

> When has the government, especially ours, ever wanted to downsize their surveillance?

Stating the obvious, yes.

> Is revolver coming out this year?

Yes.

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I hope you enjoyed my participation in this thread. Too bad I missed it at the time of the post because I was out doing errands.

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in reply to NonPlayableClown 1 week ago

@NonPlayableClown Certainly preferable to Sognus's participation.

> Too bad I missed it at the time

Fedi is asynchronous.

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Clit Romney

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NonPlayableClown

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👆

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pistolero

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@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus I don't know what 01f446 means but I should just kill that dipshit's account from this side.

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

> I don't know what 01f446 means

You should probably show it in native HTML to truly understand what 01f446 means

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pistolero

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@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus

% grep 1F446 /lib/ucd/emoji-data.txt
1F446..1F450 ; Emoji_Modifier_Base # E0.6 [11] (👆..👐) backhand index pointing up..open hands

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

Literally the attribute says <title=":point_up_2:">

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pistolero

in reply to NonPlayableClown 1 week ago

@NonPlayableClown I ain't gotta, I can just use grep.

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Clit Romney

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@NonPlayableClown man I got first post with

and this nigga still crying. Amazing

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>man I got first post with :butt_baby_birth: and this nigga still crying.

That's it buddy you're defederated.

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pistolero

in reply to NonPlayableClown 1 week ago

@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus It's one thing to attend a GG Allin show and it's another entirely to be GG Allin's roommate.

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

>it's another entirely to be GG Allin's roommate.

I wouldn't mind being his roommate now... considering he's dead

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pistolero

in reply to NonPlayableClown 1 week ago

@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus Do you think the smell has *stopped*? That man's bones have probably figured out a way to fling shit by now.

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

>Do you think the smell has *stopped*?

I bet whatever this guy was flinging smelled a lot better than any poojeet I've met.

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in reply to NonPlayableClown 1 week ago

@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus I've watched that entire documentary twice and the man shat on the floor and then rubbed it on his face and spat his own shit at this terrified kid before the cops showed up.

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

He would be right at home in LA then.

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pistolero

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@NonPlayableClown @Soy_Magnus You're probably thinking of wherever you live.

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NonPlayableClown

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

The country?
Never seen a guy act like that, let alone anyone but the same 20 people.

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pistolero

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@NonPlayableClown And I've never seen that in LA but I have seen it in SF.

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Makes even more sense especially the poop map you posted.

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@NonPlayableClown That is a real thing in SF. It is *still* a real thing in SF. I have never seen syringes on the sidewalk in the US *except* SF; same for human feces.

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Tiskaan

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@NonPlayableClown BOMB SF
STRAP ME TO A NUKE AND SEND ME TO SF

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@khayyam @pernia @w0rm Player skill issue.

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$locklime

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@khayyam @w0rm WHATEVER cunnygy has to say he can rape himself widdit. he is cutoff. kaput.

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@pistolero @lainbot, random Lain screenshots @whereverbot Now this is a gud job!

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>Oliphant's blocklist is dead now. "Note: As of April 15, 2026, the Oliphant Unified Tier 0 Blocklist has been retired
Coincidentally, Rohan Kumar's blocklist has stopped getting updated since July: archive.ph/CLPo1 "Last updated 2025-07-01."
He's been active since (e.g. blocked cum.estate and dsmc.space just recently). Considering how his list is imported on pelago.1sland.social/blocklist (appears to be a flagship FIRES server from Oliphant) together with automated "consensus" lists, I wonder if he's been on board of all this crap.

Pelago - Blocklist

Pelago: Island Network Management

^{pelago.1sland.social}

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@mint
> "Last updated 2025-07-01."

Wonder why he stopped. Did he get the full Paula?

> blocked cum.estate and dsmc.space just recently

"What took you so long?"

> appears to be a flagship FIRES server from Oliphant

Dear god.

> I wonder if he's been on board of all this crap.

Maybe the got him to join up.

In the midst of all of this, Evan Polomolodor updated his head and his head makes me want to fight him:
evanagain.jpg

dsmc.space

^dsmc.space

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:seven:

in reply to pistolero 1 week ago

@mint he has the facial equivalent of those gif banner ads from the 90s that said “click the target and win a prize” except it’s “punch the cheekbone and win a dopamines”

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@vii @mint I thought the moustache was what made him unbearable before, but it turns out he's just *like* that:
evanpoppledopolis.webp.png

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@zer0unplanned About what?

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@pistolero It was for another post where you were all playing with unicode chars and I've put a Cursed text as post but twice in the wrong topic > now I can't find it anymore.. I've put complexity to max so it overrides post above and under me. making them unreadable.
I've deleted the injection in time but I still can't find the right post so it's unrelated to this thread.
Again unrelated to this topic and by accident I replied here instead of in the right topic
U+0300–U+036F
creepy pasta to overlord that thread I can't find anymore.

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@lain @feld I'm using latest `develop` and I clicked on "External source" for this post but it takes me to this nonsense. It's supposedly from a #Pleroma server. Why is that? Bug?

#pleroma @feld @lain

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@taoeffect @feld @lain

> I'm using latest `develop` and I clicked on "External source" for this post but it takes me to this nonsense. It's supposedly from a #Pleroma server. Why is that? Bug?

That's actually served by Revolver but the point of the objects URLs is that you can paste them into the search box on your instance and then they will show up on your instance. That's covered near the beginning.

#pleroma @feld @lain @Greg Slepak

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pistolero

in reply to pistolero 3 days ago

@taoeffect @feld @lain Incidentally, put this into your search box if you are still interested: fsebugoutzone.org/objects/55b9…