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This infographic about how to pick up a snail is going viral, but it was AI-generated and numerous biologists have chimed in to say it is wrong.
(I previously boosted it, but have un-boosted. The post author has been informed, and has even boosted the biologists' comments, but has not taken down the original post. I have reported them and will mute them for everyone with my admin powers.)
Source: g.co/about/jb9fd7
Biologists countering:
- functional.cafe/@kupac/1161296…
- ecoevo.social/@ubi/11612981635…
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neville park
in reply to neville park • • •Remember, when you post misinformation and refuse to take it down because of all the engagement or fake Internet points, *you are part of the problem*!!!
In this case it could have been avoided by reverse image searching, which shows the image was recently created with AI. Always look up the original source and corroborate the claims with reliable sources! I should have done this before boosting, but was lazy.
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Granny Art (Shrimp) (Joni)
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in reply to neville park • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Alex, the Hearth Fire • • •Alex, the Hearth Fire
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •neville park
in reply to neville park • • •There's a lot of stuff about AI-generated image, video, or text "tells", but—as with good old Photoshopped images and emailed urban legends—the most reliable method is not to look at the content itself, but *find the original source*.
The source may show the content was:
- real but taken out of context (e.g. had a caption attached stating something false)
- real but unethically produced (e.g. posed/harassed wildlife)
- real and by an actual human being who should be credited
- originally from an ad agency, special effects artist, satire site, obscure TV show, generative AI, etc.
- called out as false by people in the comments
Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️
in reply to neville park • • •And sometimes a photographer will photo edit a post for artistic reasons, in order to create art, not record reality.
the5thc.blogspot.com/search?q=…
xinit ☕ / 🗑🔥
in reply to neville park • • •All too often something like "I hate to be that guy, but your post is an obvious fake, and that person never said that" is met with "Yeah, but it's something I could imagine that they WOULD say."
People suck.
Maddy - Floofy fops friend
in reply to neville park • • •alster
in reply to neville park • • •And I fell again.
Androcat
in reply to neville park • • •Sensitive content
Cassandrich
in reply to neville park • • •Excellent work showing the right way to illustrate a bad image without spreading it!
- Making the most prominent visual element the overlaid explanation of why it's wrong.
- Blurring the underlying image so that the content is no longer readable but it's recognizable as the original folks might have seen already.
neville park
in reply to Cassandrich • • •ubi
in reply to neville park • • •I'm one of those expressing skepticism. I'm going off my experience with snails and my understanding of their biology (which is I can teach an Invertebrate Biology course but not at the level of a Gastropod specialist).
But is there a Malacologist that can confirm that the information is incorrect?
The only Fediverse Malacologist that I'm aware of is our Clam Man Dan @dantheclamman
Quinn Comendant
in reply to ubi • • •Dr. Dan Killam
in reply to Quinn Comendant • • •@com @ubi I think the mantle collapse thing is overblown. I've heard it mentioned before by hobbyists as if snails will 100% die if they are yanked, and that is just false. I can't speak for all species, but the ones common in pet trade and most of the wild ones we encounter are adapted to deal with predators yanking them. They pull into their shell, retract their operculum if they have it, and wait for the predator to move on.
I myself just transferred 50 juvenile mystery snails (Pomacea bridgesii) I raised to new homes. I do think the advice to nudge them to get them to retract, rather than just yanking them up, is a good idea to reduce the stress for the animal, which can impact their growth and survival. That's what I did, just a tap with tweezers. Some were still adhered to tank glass so I nudged them a bit more to get them to retract. But I don't think yanking them leads to a sudden destructi
... Show more...@com @ubi I think the mantle collapse thing is overblown. I've heard it mentioned before by hobbyists as if snails will 100% die if they are yanked, and that is just false. I can't speak for all species, but the ones common in pet trade and most of the wild ones we encounter are adapted to deal with predators yanking them. They pull into their shell, retract their operculum if they have it, and wait for the predator to move on.
I myself just transferred 50 juvenile mystery snails (Pomacea bridgesii) I raised to new homes. I do think the advice to nudge them to get them to retract, rather than just yanking them up, is a good idea to reduce the stress for the animal, which can impact their growth and survival. That's what I did, just a tap with tweezers. Some were still adhered to tank glass so I nudged them a bit more to get them to retract. But I don't think yanking them leads to a sudden destruction of organs.
Something similar came up when I was raising giant clams (mostly Tridacna derasa) and some people were claiming exposing them to air is fatal, and you need to 'burp' the clams to protect them or they'll get an air embolism or something. This is just silly because in the wild, these clams are commonly in the intertidal and can handle being exposed to air for hours at a time. They burp themselves!
I appreciate being compassionate to these invertebrates and caring about their welfare. That's a beautiful thing to me. But let's not make stuff up about their biology and definitely not cite AI about their care!! The best way to ensure good care is to look back to the conditions that these creatures face in the wild and try to replicate those conditions as closely as possible!
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Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Dr. Dan Killam • • •ubi
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •Dr. Dan Killam
in reply to ubi • • •neville park
in reply to ubi • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to neville park • • •This is what makes me so immensely tired. I'm not a scientist. But as a journalist, I have to get the facts. And meanwhile, this work of untangling and debunking takes more of my time than what I really had to do: writing!
And after writing, I have to deal with people questioning the facts because they heard something "completely different on Facebook", and those sites have many more followers, so "they must know better."
I'm so extremely tired of #AISlop and #LLM
@ubi @dantheclamman @com
Otte Homan - remember Geordie
in reply to Dr. Dan Killam • • •Sara
in reply to Dr. Dan Killam • • •Gondor
in reply to neville park • • •Purpose seems only to #floodthezonewithshit 🙄😡
betalars @home
in reply to Gondor • • •@grootinside idc maybe it's just some urban legend that some concerned snail fan got tangled up in.
Might be a troll, too.
Nina Felwitch
in reply to neville park • • •RadAufheber*in 🚴 🚲 🎡
in reply to Nina Felwitch • • •@ninafelwitch Lucky you, it's a masked link switching instantly to FB. 🤢
@nev
Nina Felwitch
in reply to RadAufheber*in 🚴 🚲 🎡 • • •@radaufheber ah. But that's fine in this case because Facebook IS the source. Where else would it point?
On my device I get
"About this image
No results were found to help you learn more about this image. This could be because it's private, very new, or doesn't appear on many pages."
Maybe because I have redirection blocked.
Idzie
in reply to neville park • • •mayu
in reply to neville park • • •RadAufheber*in 🚴 🚲 🎡
in reply to neville park • • •⚠️ Warning: The link "https:// g . co/about/jb9fd7" is a masked g👀gle🤮 link to FB switching instantly to "https://www. (feces)book . com/groups/allcreatures1/posts/3203453276628751/" 😡
Everything else I like in your toot.
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in reply to neville park • • •I picked up plenty of snails as a kid and I literally never saw their feet break.
Thanks for the info, now I feel better about not boosting it 😆
😈 Big Huge Donphan 🥵
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in reply to 😈 Big Huge Donphan 🥵 • • •Darkstar
in reply to neville park • • •have you seen my ant stamp?
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in reply to have you seen my ant stamp? • • •clang-enby
in reply to neville park • • •neville park
in reply to clang-enby • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to neville park • • •Therefore; I also reported it and even blocked it. I no longer tolerate the posting of misinformation after the person has been informed by several parties and should be aware of the facts.
It made me so angry that I wrote an article: steady.page/en/naturematchcuts…
Vysogota
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in reply to neville park • • •Nathan Ackroyd
in reply to neville park • • •It seemed off that the instructions said to place the snail facing the direction it was headed (like, why then bother?) while the image showed it being placed in the opposite direction.
You'd think programs would be better at internal consistency, but internal contradiction seems to be a consistent feature of AI.
plan-A (゚ヮ゚)
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