Well, as long as the GNU-slash-IMP folks are mad at me, I should go for broke and irritate everyone. Someone's got to be debbie downer and I guess today it's me.
Does @gnome support the use of a slur for a project they're hosting? Because from where I sit, they appear to, and I feel like hosting this project might be a violation of their CoC.
Shrig 🐌
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Because the product name is considered "hate speech"
Li ~ Crystal System
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •@wdormann above this is a reply where someone is saying they found out it was a slur because it got them banned by twitter, for using the name of the program, and I was commenting about how that is kind of surprising, becuase they usually don’t do that,
Can you not see that?
Also just occurred to me, I find it funny them acknowledging it’s a slur is what’s unbelievable and not them somehow missing the context that your talking about an image editor. that’s very expected; normal major social media site behaviour right there,
Veronica Explains
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in reply to Li ~ Crystal System • • •Tinyrabbit ✅
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •for a non-native English-speaker like myself; is the word "gimp" actually used anywhere outside the movie Pulp Fiction?
And while I'm already making a fool of myself I might as well ask: is "git" an offensive name for a software?
I don't want to demean or derail the subject. It's just that even though I'm fluent in English I'm still perplexed about what is or isn't considered insensitive or offensive sometimes. I'm missing some cultural context.
Veronica Explains
in reply to Tinyrabbit ✅ • • •@tinyrabbit to answer your question about the word, yes it's used outside the movie. I hear it frequently enough used as a slur against folks who have physical mobility challenges. Sometimes it's used in a self-deprecating manner, other times as a slur from the outside ("punching down"). Also has an additional meaning in the context of certain sexual subcultures.
Hope that helps.
Dr. Juande Santander-Vela
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Just wanna say,
You are Great.
The Loveliest.
And a wonderful FOSS Ambassador and Educator
Veronica Explains
in reply to Faintdreams • • •@Faintdreams aww thank you. I am trying!
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Kiloku
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •I thought the objections were related to the BDSM usage of the word (which is also bad for a software intended for unrelated purposes and non sexual work environments)
Jordan (has moved)
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in reply to Jordan (has moved) • • •@lns Do you honestly think that's an effective strategy?
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in reply to Space Hobo • • •@spacehobo It's not a strategy.
Gimp is the name of a program. It's not meant to harm. Go after the people who use the word to harm, not the developers of a graphics program.
Also, it's very rude to tell strangers what to do (do not reply).
Veronica Explains
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Please stop tagging me. Am I rude because I said please?
I disagree with you here, if you aren't interested in actual conversation I suggest you move on out of my mentions.
@spacehobo @gnome
Jordan (has moved)
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Sorry, the mentions are default when replying. I removed you from earlier reply.
Just to be clear, I 100℅ agree with your sentiment, I simply think we're going after the wrong people.
Veronica Explains
in reply to Jordan (has moved) • • •@lns I appreciate the reply. To be clear, I do go after anyone who uses slurs in my personal life, and I still think we should change the name of a FOSS project if we want it to see wider adoption.
I mentioned on another thread that I once tried to get it cleared at a corporate gig and it was denied due to concerns over the slur from the legal department, they chose Photoshop for me instead.
This experience, as well as the fact that it's a slur, plays in to my opinion here.
Jordan (has moved)
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Oh wow, that sucks. I see where you're coming from.
Ugh. Sucks that innocent people have to deal with words being taken the wrong way.
Dr Zoyander Street
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in reply to Dr Zoyander Street • • •@zoy yeah, that's *exactly* my vibe about it.
With a rebrand that is unquestionably youth friendly, I could imagine kids growing up with this software and discovering FOSS alternatives and a friendly ecosystem. They want that.
Instead, we have intransigence from this project. It's sad, really. Such wasted potential.
Chris 🌱
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •fwiw GNU Imp isn't a GNOME project per se. It uses our infra, but it's not part of GNOME and doesn't follow GNOME's release processes or project governance. It's in the GNOME/ namespace on GitLab for historical reasons.
It was previously on the old GNOME CGit alongside many other third party apps, and for a time all apps that were there were put into the GNOME/ namespace. For a few years some newer third party apps got moved into that namespace, but nowadays we keep it to things that are official. Old projects remain due to the hassle of transferring namespaces.
I'm not fond of the name at all personally - I was the one who opened the rebranding issue years ago that lead to the Glimpse fork.
Veronica Explains
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in reply to Veronica Explains • • •its a great opportunity to turn this rebrand as a positive thing.
Just make this is a "a thing" maybe catch some attetion in other medias outside a FOSS world and bring more users for then....
Also they don't make this is for yesterday, just deprecate old slur ones and change for sometging like gimage or gimt or evem glimpse with is a bunch of guys tryng to do a fews years ago...
kingthorin_rm
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •why don't they just renamed it "Wilber" after the mascot tbh? It's easy to remember, it doesn't spit in the face of disabled people, they can keep all other branding the same, and it's a fairly unique name, which is a big advantage in a time where the biggest companies in the world are called "Meta" and "Alphabet".
(So long as they ditch the "Wilber is his own species, a gimp" shtick with it. That's a raccoon if ever I saw one.)
kaiserkiwi
in reply to Veronica Explains • • •Hm. Gnome uses GitLab. So they're probably fine with it, as they also support apps, where the team behind it actively supports DOGE and therefore the Trump administration.
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