it's hard to say things like that and risk being criticized i have the opposite reaction to confrontation and instantly get all hyped up and ready to fight i've been trying to stop doing that for like forty years and i'm infinitely better than i used to be but knowing how it effects other people actually really makes me want to stop more so i'll think of you guys next time i get upset
@zombiewarrior It's not 100% clear to me so I'll just say it to make sure we are on the same page: This was absolutely not a subtweet to anything you or I said to each other at any point. If we were confrontational in any way, I totally missed it. I was referencing someone else altogether.
no that's cool, i had actually said something recently, just in general like, wishing i understood what autistic people want me to know, boundary-wise, when they say they are "actually autistic" because often, or almost always really, autistic people seem "normal" to me (maybe i'm also on the spectrum myself, i don't know) but i want to get along with autistic people, in general is all anyways sorry for the confusion
@jeanoappleseed Sometimes I feel like it actively seeks me out. It's like I'm a lightning rod. I think people perceive me as an easy target. I'm not, but I really do hate the experience, so I suffer for it anyway.
@jeanoappleseed We're definitely targets. Whatever it is about being autistic the playground bullies can spot generally sticks around life long.
I got enough of my grandfather's genes I do OK in confrontation. He ran Ventnor, a moderately rough town, back in the days before every dipshit carried a gun. He could crush a steel beer can between his palms.
I refuse to drink in bars not just because I can't afford it, but because I'd be too good at violence and, being a grown-up, I go around it. I get the dumb punk with his pecker up coming at me, same as you. Thing is, if I had the right amount of beer in me, the first shot would be me glassing him in the face with a pint beer glass. Neither of us need that. He'd rather continue to have eyeballs and I'd prefer to stay out of prison.
So I drink alone, with George Thorogood. I party by myself with the Hollywood Undead.
@Uair @jeanoappleseed I'm the opposite. I literally feel too guilty to fight back, even as they're punching me in the face, so I have lost every single fight of self-defense I have ever been in, and then cried from guilt afterward if I punched back.
It's a total reversal if I'm defending someone else, though. I turn into a beast. I've thrown people twice my size with one hand. Almost every time this has been put to the test, it was because my brother has an even more punchable face than me, so I have countless memories of yelling, "DON'T TOUCH MY BROTHER!!!" before joining the fray and trouncing people. It's this automatic reaction that just wells up. I took on 6 dudes in a parking lot once without hesitation, after which two friends decided to have my back, and we beat the crap out of them and made them apologize.
I'm like you, but an only child. I honestly never had to use violence at all, and I was raised antitheist atheist in a neighborhood where the dominant culture was Catholic gangster.
I almost took out 4 kids with improvised antipersonnels when they did a racism and attacked our Black friend, then trapped the whole party in the house and waited for Bill to come out, but mom calmed me down enough. I know that a garbage truck is sturdy enough to withstand a stick of dynamite going off inside it.
You probably already read about the time I almost killed a guy in Cairo. So I've come close, but pulled myself back from the brink both times. I would have won both, though. It wouldn't have killed those four kids with pipes besieging my friend's house, but it would have wrecked their world. Quarter sticks of dynamite with a couple layers of birdshot.
I mastered words. And psychology. There are all sorts of ways to deflect someone looking for a fight. I know a guy who broke up a fight with a kiss. Well, a threatened kiss. Two drunk guys were squaring up so he waltzed between
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I'm like you, but an only child. I honestly never had to use violence at all, and I was raised antitheist atheist in a neighborhood where the dominant culture was Catholic gangster.
I almost took out 4 kids with improvised antipersonnels when they did a racism and attacked our Black friend, then trapped the whole party in the house and waited for Bill to come out, but mom calmed me down enough. I know that a garbage truck is sturdy enough to withstand a stick of dynamite going off inside it.
You probably already read about the time I almost killed a guy in Cairo. So I've come close, but pulled myself back from the brink both times. I would have won both, though. It wouldn't have killed those four kids with pipes besieging my friend's house, but it would have wrecked their world. Quarter sticks of dynamite with a couple layers of birdshot.
I mastered words. And psychology. There are all sorts of ways to deflect someone looking for a fight. I know a guy who broke up a fight with a kiss. Well, a threatened kiss. Two drunk guys were squaring up so he waltzed between them with his gallon of wine and threatened to kiss the first fool to throw a punch. Then he passed the jug around.
However, we all have that part of us that wants to win fights, and mine's nasty. I'm not a fighter, but I am a killer at heart. I didn't choose that, but I can choose what I do with it. And what I do is stay the hell out of bars 😀
I hope I don't run across ICE snatching any of my neighbors, though. I might break my 50 year track record of peacefulness.
I did not need this today. Just had to block someone I formerly followed, and they even turned ableist on me when I mentioned I'm autistic, claiming I was "hiding behind" it.
I've already had enough from dealing with my doctor's office betraying me and having someone from the office talk over me and insinuate in an already very stressful phone call that I "just" had a cough and therefore didn't need to take off work for the last *month*. (Yeah, I told them during all 4-5 visits that it was more than that, coughing till I couldn't catch my breath, severe fatigue, brain fog, disrupted sleep. But did they write that down in their notes? Of course not.)
Even from a current mutual, accusing you of using a major disability as a mere excuse is more than adequate grounds for a block. I've blocked people for FAR less than that.
I fought a friend recreationally when I was 25. Just so I could say I'd been in a fight. The first shot was him hitting me in the face with a vodka bottle, splitting my lip and giving me a concussion. I pondered in slow-mo for I dunno...90 seconds while he used me as a punching bag, then overpowered him. I never hit him, though. I just felt silly.
I went home and showered before going to the hospital. They had to get a plastic surgeon to fix my lip.
I learned the value of getting the first shot in. At my level of strength and creative viciousness, it'd be all I'd need against anyone less than, say, an actual heavyweight boxer or large state prison inmate. And even then I wouldn't count me out.
@Uair @jeanoappleseed Understandable in a sense. Those of us with deep empathy know what it means to hurt someone and therefore might feel that our own good isn't worth that, but someone else's is. We could easily bring this to apply to any sort of confrontation. Personally, I'm happy to verbally stand up for myself, and obviously others, and especially if I know that I'm definitely in the right. It becomes a bit greyer the less sure I am and also somewhat depends on how much point there is to standing up for myself. If it's seriously not going to change anything, or anyone, then I'd rather save my energy. Fighting is something I truly hate and try to avoid at all costs. Unfortunately, as a few have discovered the hard way, that doesn't mean that I'm not actually good at it. There's a barely tethered berserker within me, that really shouldn't be unleashed.
@pathfinder @Uair @jeanoappleseed Yeah, I have no qualms about sticking up for myself verbally. A big part of that is I just cannot tolerate lies, BS, injustice, whoever it's aimed at.
I was talking to an autistic man who had a neighbor kill and dismember his blind cat. He "beat him and his daughter until they bled from multiple orifices". Me, I dodge violence but totally validate that one.
@Uair @jeanoappleseed Yep, it's that "stamp of strangeness" that neurodivergent kids can't see but everybody else can. It never goes away. Mitigated, somewhat, but never eradicated.
[A quote from the book Dune, where Paul says the Reverend Mother put one on him.]
@pathfinder @MissGayle @Uair @jeanoappleseed I have to pay super close attention and even then I miss it I try not to 🙁 it’s one thing that hasn’t gotten better ever for me having bad eyes doesn’t help and honestly I think I have stopped looking partially. I will have to start looking again for a month and see if I improve!
@pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @Uair @jeanoappleseed I often got harrassed for being LGBTQ even though I'm cishet. I think they sensed something different about me and just projected it onto their pet bigotry.
(Growing up in Texas in the '80s and '90s, it was downright dangerous to be labeled as gay. I witnessed a guy who got lynched at a party for just the rumor of it. I cannot begin to describe how fucked up that situation was, and I'm sure he is way more fucked up about it than I am, even though it still disturbs me to this day.)
This is familiar. I get harassed so much for the perception that I am gay that it prompted me to start to identify myself as genderqueer. Like the harassers must be picking up on *something* right? And perhaps I should give that thing a name? But maybe the thing is just general strangeness.
@skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I think it's part and parcel with the autism. Gender is a social construct. It can mean radically different things in different times and places. Autistic people have a poor connection to that layer of the brain; the pack animal layer than handles social reinforcement.
I was in college before I found out it's "inappropriate" for men to sit down to pee. I always brought my book in as a kid.
@MissGayle @Uair @jeanoappleseed An autistic work colleague told me it's all the subtle non-verbal cues that took extra concentration for her to pick up. For neurotypicals this is unconscious and instinctive - it takes no effort at all - so is not taught. Autistic people have to work at it, which can make social situations exhausting. Neurotypicals often convey *intention* with body language not words, which is why it seems we often don't say what we mean. Confusing!
@ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed When I'm grumpy, I say that only autistic people communicate in language. Neurotypicals communicate in vibe, and microcues. They only use language to manipulate and deceive.
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They threw him down on a concrete floor and stood around him, whipping him with giant cowboy belt buckles, the ones made of huge solid chunks of metal with fixed prongs that go through the belt holes so they don't give and have significant weight to them. I'm pretty sure they were trying to kill him. My brother jumped in to stop them before I could finish computing what was happening, and that's when I ended up having to jump in for my brother's sake, as his head was being bounced off the concrete floor repeatedly by one of those disgusting rednecks' fists. I was so full of adrenaline I threw the guy across the room. It all ended as fast as it had begun, thankfully. No one was okay.
@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Yeah I'd call myself autigender, I guess. Cishet male but I do it my way and IDGAF what they think my gender expression *ought* to be.
@Uair @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Yeah, I am tempted to think that way when I'm having a rough time of it, too. When I'm not upset or actively being trampled on by those tendencies of NTs, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone makes assumptions they don't realize they're even making.
@Uair @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed There's just differing cognitive and communication styles in play. We neurotypicals need to understand that making the other person do all the work is unfair and alienating.
Small example from my colleague: avoid perfunctory verbal rituals, such as using "you okay?" as a greeting. Straight away, some autistic people are struggling to figure out if it's a sincere question requiring a full answer, or if the answer is just "yeah, you?".
@ApostateEnglishman @Uair @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed It's true! I answered truthfully for most of my youth, and was consistently confused why they weren't interested in, and even seemed uncomfortable with, my answers. Then one day it finally registered, it's like a network protocol, establishing connectivity with a mandatory ACK.
@Uair @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed It feels so insincere, doesn't it? To ask someone how they are, but not actually want an answer. I practiced malicious compliance of that sort on a few occasions myself, when I was younger and didn't understand the other way of thinking about it, because it felt degrading and made me feel resentful
I get why you'd say that, but I think it's part of the larger pattern of language change—words and phrases become drained of potency & meaning by overuse, which then leads to phrases becoming idioms and eventually new words
@igrok @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I honestly think Americans just got too infantile and emotionally weak minded to actually communicate any more. It's not all of us, but starting with the baby boomers, it seems like people just tell lies all the time. I mean, everybody knows everything trump says is a lie. So was everything Bill Clinton said. We elected both men twice.
@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed To be clear I'm not autistic so I'm a bit of an interloper in this. Instead I seem to be some other variety of atypical, including learning disabled. And lacking the ability to convincingly execute the male gender role, though I've never understood why.
But I guess those details don't matter if bullies and homophobes pick up on any type of oddity and snap to homosexuality as the explanation.
@skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I'm pretty sure it's projection. I figure sexuality is more-or-less a bell curve, with a handful of pure hetero or pure homo at either end and most people somewhere in between leaning one way or another.
The haters don't hate us, they hate themselves. They're just projecting it onto us.
@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed In some cases I am pretty confident that the homophobe attacking me was, indeed, a self-hating LGBTQ person themselves. Though I hesitate to say that's the only motivation for homophobes. Some just enjoy picking on the weak, or reinforcing social hirearchy.
@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Never got asked if I was LGBT because I broke the gender rules whenever there was something I wanted to do that violated them (which admittedly wasn't too often). Did get asked if I was LGBT because I'm arospec and went three years without being interested in anyone, so obviously I was hiding something.
@jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle It's not entirely insincere, it's just that "you okay?", "y'alright?" etc. are just ways of acknowledging your presence and checking there's nothing pressingly important they need to know about before getting on with their day. It's "are you basically functioning right now?"
Unless you're in immediate crisis and they're the one who can help, the answer is nearly always "yeah, you?" (or a variation thereof).
When I figured out that homophobia was mostly to mask homosexual traits, I became flamboyantly unconcerned if people thought I was gay. In the early 90s I hung out with the boys who lisped and wore dresses, at least until I got tired of deflecting sexual advances.
@Uair @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed . Yeah, I guess I passive aggressively said enough to make it clear things weren't optimal and that if they didn't pursue it, that was on them. 😈 . Not the best.
@Uair @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Neurotypicals have a lot of unspoken rules that somehow is known to all of them but us. It’s infuriating. I like my communication clear and concise.
Complete left turn here. My dad was also a polio survivor, which is a pretty unusual coincidence by itself, before throwing in the fact that you and I are both autistic. Based on research I've read, there may be a link between serious immune challenges in parents and autism in their offspring, via DNA methylation. I wonder what the autism prevalence is among the offspring of polio survivors.
@MissConstrue @jeanoappleseed I posted about it a few weeks ago, I think. Can't remember if I included the link. I'll have to check for it later when I've got less going on.
For me this question it’s the perfect example of the double empathy problem.
I had to learn how to deal with this question when I moved here, because in Canada everyone I met is asking me this question. And after 23 years it’s still making me uncomfortable and so much more now that I know that I’m autistic.
I need to constantly remember that it is only a social convention in the neurotypical world. And that the person asking me that question doesn’t really want to know, that it’s just a way to greet me, an extension of Hi/Hello.
@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I wouldn’t fawn or pander to their misogyny or ego. I was not thinking of gender at all. Not thinking of making assumptions about people & their place on a hierarchy or how ppl represent a gender. I didn’t realize how angrily men deal with this loss of assumed supremacy. Men can’t cope. They need to feel superior to me to ‘feel like a man’…and they find fast they are not superior to me.
Now personal experience suggests there is a little bit more to the black art of Smalltalk (the spelling might be a good hint that I consider the computer environment less stressful), just repeating obvious things does not make you a small talk master, it gets you an irritated wife who demonstrates how will she can count. @ApostateEnglishman @jeanoappleseed @hosford42 @MissGayle @actuallyautistic
. . Just say, "Sorry." And if they press, say, "Sorry, EH" 😜 . I mean, I wanted any talk to be real, literal, and I tried to force them by giving real answers and asking them in such a way that they knew I wanted an answer, and I told myself it worked, I was living a real life - but turned out, they weren't, they were just all masking to me. Near as I can tell, you can't shake them out of it.
@adelinej @jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle With neurotypicals, personal info is given on a "need-to-know" basis. This makes whether you're okay a sliding scale: if a stranger asks if you're okay and you're having bad chest pains, they need to know this. So no you're not okay, call 911! If your boss asks if you're okay, they *only* need to know if something is impacting your work. Otherwise, you're okay.
If your friend asks if you're okay? They need to know it all. 🥰
@ApostateEnglishman @adelinej @jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle I really appreciate you explaining this stuff, btw. I'm in my mid 40s and learning still how NTs think about these things. None of it is obvious at all if you don't share the same default settings.
@ApostateEnglishman As a German, who don't do this ever, I can tell you it's really weird. But then I believe the quota of autistic people is exceptionally high in our population. German engineering and all.
My dad got polio in 1904 when he was 2 years old. Both legs were completely paralyzed. Dad lived his entire life (52 years) with a pair of crutches, an iron brace, and one leg 8" shorter than the other. (That last was due to a surgeon convincing my grandmother that he could cure infantile paralysis by severing the muscles in one knee during Dad's teenage growth spurt.) Neither my brother nor I has autism nor do any of our children.
@jeanoappleseed I had dealt with a polio survivor for many years to not see any inclination of any Autistic signs ... only repercussions from the ailment in future health dealings...
@Tooden @jeanoappleseed I'm pretty sure my dad is not. (My mom is a different story.) My dad has Ehlers Danlos, too, and is undoubtedly neurodivergent, but he's more in line w/ ADHD & dyslexia. He is pretty charismatic and sociable, and has no trouble chatting it up with people whatsoever.
@Tooden @jeanoappleseed Having ruled out autism in my dad, this still leaves the question of whether neurodivergence in general or perhaps EDS could be a factor.
@Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed I wasn't suggesting polio causes autism. Rather, there is an indirect route via DNA methylation in the *offspring* of people who experienced immune trauma.
@Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . my thought about when anything looks like a drug or a toxin has “caused Autism,” is that no genius has yet developed the mastery to “cause,” a human brain that works at all, but that perhaps some things can harm your Allism first. Doesn’t “cause,” any particular neurotype but maybe sometimes the newest parts (and I think Allism is ten thousand years old, tops) get hurt first. . Poisons cause brain damage, and every brain damaged mouse or person isn’t Autistic - but maybe many of the damaged really aren’t Allistic anymore?
@punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed No idea where that came from . But to me ...I think AUTISM is more of a protection from within as well as its own education of self in certain situations according to my being of 72 yrs ...
@Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . just something I think affects the whole conversation. People start talking about a cause, it sounds like they’re talking about a disease, and sure enough all the magazines are calling every brain damage effect they find, “Autism.” . It’s a scary conflation, we need a better theory and that was mine. I’m almost that old too.
@punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed I just read a portion of Allistic syndrome and according to my own experience I am thinking it is part of a NARRISTIC nature from what have seen and heard from others in my life duration
@punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed I suspect that autism is *protective*, not a disease state. I've posted about it before. The traits we exhibit are often helpful for dealing with environments where there is a high risk of trauma or abuse, but they come at a cost. So it would make sense that this way of being would be triggered as a defense mechanism.
Autism may be a latent trait triggered by something such as serious disease, physical trauma, or something, and then that no longer latent trait is passed on to later generations?
@sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . I don’t think it’s latent or triggered or adaptive to the modern world, I think the whole world was and is Autistic - except Allistic modern humans, and they trigger themselves with the childhood they provide 😈💜
There is *some* evidence which *suggests* that epigenetic changes from trauma or illness in a parent can result in autism in their offspring. It's inconclusive at this time, which is why I stress "some" and "suggests".
AFAIK, there is *zero* evidence suggesting autism could develop in a non-autistic person as a trauma response. This is because autism is developmental, not an acquired trait.
I guess this is probably a common misconception about genetics propagated by poorly researched sci fi. Changing someone's genes can change their metabolic pathways, their biochemistry, but it can't change their physical structure, not directly. (There is the route of hormones, but that is slower-acting.) You can't expose turtles to toxic goo and make them "turn into teenagers", as a friend once put it. That kind of physical restructuring is well outside of biological plausibility.
Since autism is a difference not only at the biochemical level, but at the structural level, you can't just change someone's genes and thereby make them become autistic; their brain has to grow that way in the first place. Their brain has to grow in the shape of an autistic one for them to be autistic. This is also why it's ridiculous to say that a vaccine made someone autistic.
I have no doubt that my father was autistic, but forced into allism for his whole life.. until his last two years, he probably hit burnout, gorged on a self-destructive stim, and repeatedly watched porn until he passed away. they tried to abuse me into allism, and I submissively withdrew into that allism for 30+ years... always struggling, until I broke free, and reunited with my suppressed autistic self. @punishmenthurts @hosford42 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic
I believe autism is genetic. In my family, my grandma was surely autistic (no formal Dx, there was shame in getting dx'd autistic), I didnt know her parents but I was told she was abused, my dad was abused, I was abused. Abused parents maybe part of the 'cause'. I agree with protection, as I feel a strong need to protect myself, involuntarily screaming like a trapped rat in certain situations.
@punishmenthurts My development was slower than average humans... but was not impaired. Slowness to walk, to talk, to potty, were upsetting for my parents, who wanted me to wake up sooner, learn to potty sooner, learn to walk sooner than I was ready for. The rush made me stumble and fall. If not for their pre-existing ideas of when I should do things, maybe life would be better.
@Aaron I just want to be left alone and not to be made uncomfortable. But then I look around and suddenly see I have no one. I don't "engage" and then just miss out. #actuallyautistic @ActuallyAutistic group group
@Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I think that’s a great point. The idea of narrowly defined genders & socially acceptable sexualities simply makes no sense. I’m a cishet woman, but have always pushed back on narrow definitions of womanhood or even the idea that there should be a definition. Like, I’m just me, happy in my body and to have used that body to reproduce & nurture children. And if someone else feels differently about their body, that’s their business.
I was always one of those people who could surprise others with when I chose to voice my disagreement. For me, it wasn’t just about who I was trying to please, as the i
I was always one of those people who could surprise others with when I chose to voice my disagreement. For me, it wasn’t just about who I was trying to please, as the issue on which we disagreed. There were some issues upon which I wouldn’t, couldn’t budge. But my apparent ability to operate independently, masking my enormous sense of vulnerability, made it more possible to voice such disagreement.
Obviously our level of dependence on others is a huge factor here, with those less able to be financially independent being most vulnerable. Autistic in ways that reduce one’s ability to gain qualifications & employment, and female, or presenting as female or feminine? (And I’m guessing other minority factors apply here, colour, religion etc.) Bingo.
Dependence is a bit like the deficit approach to autism. The fact that we can operate more independently if respected, valued & accommodated accordingly is a huge stretch for many people. It’s not just about abusers who seek out the vulnerable to exploit (not always consciously, but out of a need to define themselves as strong & independent against someone “weaker” than themselves). It’s about people having narrow, unquestioned & often binary ideas about strength, ability, & so on. Inter-dependence, complementary strengths & talents etc are concepts that require too much effort to consider.
@punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed I believe there are many different elements involved with such happenings and whether genetic or from other combinations of one's own mentality makes one protect self from surroundings ...
@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed I BELIEVE ...that over many generations of actions from within could be reactionary as to how one deals with actions ongoing if persons do not take time to make changes for one self and future of others .. even if only one step is better than none ...Bravo and pride ...
@GreenRoc @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed It takes effort to break cycles and know you are better than where you come from and build yourself with your efforts ... we all were given brains and it is up to us... to figure out how to use them for being in a better place ...
@GreenRoc @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed Sadly some parents may want to be first at anything or have children grown up before their time ... and not allow for the natural growth patterns .. Have seen this happen within my own circle of friends as well as others .. then their is the odd child that potty trains one self to use a toilet after seeing a older child do so and not need to be trained when the older child was unable to do so on own ...
In evolutionary terms, we know that diversity is good. That a range of strengths & talents in any population makes them better able to deal with a range of issues. (Similar things apply of course to the workplace, education etc.) Many abilities come hand in hand with a shortcoming. People who are good at responding to sudden change (eg some ADHEDers) aren’t always good at long term planning. People who are very good at planning don’t adapt well to change. (Eg some autistic folk.) Some people are great at admin,
In evolutionary terms, we know that diversity is good. That a range of strengths & talents in any population makes them better able to deal with a range of issues. (Similar things apply of course to the workplace, education etc.) Many abilities come hand in hand with a shortcoming. People who are good at responding to sudden change (eg some ADHEDers) aren’t always good at long term planning. People who are very good at planning don’t adapt well to change. (Eg some autistic folk.) Some people are great at admin, poor with managing people. Some are great at problem solving physical obstacles, but not more abstract issues. And so the list goes on. I imagine that chiefs of prehistoric tribes would have had a council of elders with varying abilities to respond to a range of issues, such as aggressive neighbours, natural disasters, tensions within the tribe etc.
Some neurotypical people aren’t particularly good at anything, and I’m guessing the same goes for some neurodivergent people. (But some people, for various reasons play down or fail to recognise their strengths.) But society needs “ordinary” people too.
I think neurodivergence is probably an adaptive thing for the species in general, because it provides for a broader range of abilities at various levels. The downside is that when those abilities aren’t recognised, it’s easy for neurodivergence to be seen from a deficit perspective.
When a neurotypical person isn’t good at sport, as an example, we don’t automatically start looking for all the other things they aren’t good at, determinedly overlooking anything they’re ok or better at. That’s because we don’t regard a lack of sporting/athletic ability as an indicator that there’s something awfully wrong with them. . (I’m sure that does happen occasionally within some very sporty families.)
But the ways in which ND people are different and which might sometimes be a source of inconvenience or worse for them or others around them, are often seen through a totally negative lens. We have lists of all of the things that might be “wrong” with a neurodivergent people, instead of a list of potential differences, including skills & talents.
@Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed Can tell you that some of us are unable to read very long texts as it is over whelming and beyond our range of depth of short term answers and our age group on social media or other scopes ... But think have the gist of what was pointed at ..
@Susan60 I'm very good at remembering visuals, but I am terrible at remembering words. Abilities unrecognized by most, seen as a deficit for word retention failures.
My parents even had me go to several hearing tests across my life, my hearing was measured as fine. Something's wrong with me, my parents believed I had problems since I was two, didnt speak til I was four, but I could draw a tree and rainbow
@GreenRoc @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed I too had my hearing tested as a kid. Ultimately, my mom decided I had "selective hearing", as she still calls it to this day, as if I am intentionally choosing not to hear. But it's not a voluntary thing. If it were, I would choose not to be tormented by neighborhood dogs instead of not hearing things my loved ones say to me.
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . Again, I want to argue with the whole premise - but I honestly think some people close to me have it backwards, and I guess they think I do. It's complicated but I got a kid that I think is measuring themselves against me, but they've decided or been told I'm some rough angry dude I never was, so they think I'm normal and they can't understand me, so THEY must be Autistic. I'm having a Hell of a time talking to this kid, they have a lot invested in this and there's no room for me and my first hand knowledge about my life. Frustrating, to say the least. . But our story seems bizarre, hardly some "syndrome," or anything.
oh boy, sounds like you have the same difficulties as me, Auditory Processing issues, I havent been formally diagnosed but from my perspective, I cannot focus on sounds, like most people can focus on voices.
If there is any noise around, or they have a thick accent or they slur... I struggle to understand the words. I cant filter sounds, I hear everything.
Car drives by while someone is talking to me, cant understand a word. In the back seat, going over a noisy road, cant understand
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed This spectrum has so many differences and would be the same as ADHD as an adult be told there is no cure and one would have put things in place thru growth to help getting thru life ...
And an additional people-chosen problem is when I ask for someone to repeat themselves, they get angry refuse or who knows what, I get insulted...
come on people, be ok with repeating, eesh.
I miss one word and the whole lesson from the teacher can be missed. I rasie my hand to ask her to repeat, but she doesnt call on me for several sentences. I'm hanging on to my question so I cannot intake any words.
@GreenRoc Same for me. Like, I can hardly ever understand what people say to me in a crowd, even if they are right next to me and speaking loudly. It's worse if they have a high pitched voice, because then it blends in with all the other random noise of the world.
@Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed I agree that it is most likely a natural diversity thing, but I could see it potentially being partly developmental too. Say like, a trait that normally occurs x% of the time, but under certain environmental pressures can occur more often. Like how some species adapt to environmental changes by changing their ratio of sexes (but in this case developmentally, not changed at any time).
But yeah, we're definitely part of the normal diversity. I have a theory I'm playing with on our role in it.
@murdoc @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed It would only make sense that evolution would create systems for short-term adaptability in a population. The human brain's very existence is a prime example. It would be surprising to me if neurotype ratios did *not* show signs of dynamic adaptation.
@moz You know, I didn't really look at the picture. It's, um, interesting, isn't it? The article itself matches what I know about pseudo-autism pretty well, although it takes a "it can be just like autism" approach I find dubious and I'd emphasize what's different about it more.
@dhfir @GreenRoc . I was a stutterer and I’ve always been a mumbler, they can’t hear me is the first complaint, before they can’t understand me. I hadn’t thought much about my ears, but I should, my musical ear is sure a problem.
Full disclosure: my partner's acquaintance's kid is diagnosed with that condition. Well, they used a name I like much less, but of all the names I've seen for it I like pseudo-autism the best. I've seen pictures of the kid in question and know her name, but have never met her so I'm not in a position to give my own take.
@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed We know that a lot of traits commonly thought of as "autism symptoms" are actually trauma responses. Pseudo-autism happens when a child that doesn't seem to have any of the neurological traits we generally have starts showing those trauma symptoms in response to severe or prolonged trauma. From what little I've read about it a lot of people use a definition that requires a co-occuring attachment disorder.
@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed This seems plausible to me. We know some people at any age will get one of the trauma responses associated commonly with autism. Why wouldn't some people closer in age to when we develop those traits get a variety pack in response to their severe trauma?
@murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . This is one of my rants, the drain everything goes towards. . The world, the NT, are creationist to the bone. When they heard about evolution, they made it one of their creation stories, another in the genre, something that happened a long time ago and made us what we are now and forever. . They think evolution takes a long time, like we adapt to things that happened thousands of years of years ago but not today, and as you suggested, or said, what’s the point in that?
Is it possible that these are really autistic kids that don't have any neurological traits that are strong enough for people to notice and mask well enough to hide it until something terrible happens to them and then they stop masking? Sure. I'm not a pediatric trauma specialist so I don't have any experience with anyone like that, so I'm in no position to make my own assessment.
@murdoc @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed As they say one gets to live another day when you learn something new ... thanks for the new word to me and yes very much so as to the WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN and HOW things get handled ...
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed All events can have different challenges to what end results are and or what timelines they can be dealt with all be different depending on so many things... sad thing is there are those who rely upon the money they can make from someone's debilation of events ...
Last encounter was at $200 per hour to see if I was on the right track many years ago ...am not afraid of challenging myself ...
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed Sad thing is no one wants to be associated with others who may show that they themselves may have same affliction known more in the mental circle or association... when there is nothing wrong ...
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed Am thinking those who do not speak till ready for many years are observing, learning from those around themselves as too how to be safe within circles ...
So from silence and observation to extreme curiosity and being vocal or diving straight into subject matter one would be more careful of comes the difference of what and how one learns what is known to them and the results it brings ...
Basically people without mental health issues or neurological ... things (so someone who's not autistic, doesn't have ADHD, doesn't have PTSD, isn't bipolar, doesn't suffer psychotic breaks, etc)
@punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed I know and we are on one of the deepest subjects that afflicts mankind and why some get rich from sitting in their chairs just listening to see where ones mind has directed themselves ... when is capable of getting there all by themselves ...
I learned that for everything we think or do there are these points that can be used to get there...
@Lstn2urmama @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed I've never understood the point of the character limitation. It made some sense in the early days of Twitter when it was necessary in order to support texting, but that hasn't been a thing for ages.
Our character limit here at TootCat is... well, I'm told you can see it with a good telescope.
@jeanoappleseed @melindrea @Lstn2urmama @punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 It's worth emphasizing that sociopathy is only an effective strategy when the vast majority of people are relatively honest and well-meaning. Beyond a certain percentage of the population, the advantages are negated by the lack of people to take advantage of and the collective efforts to fight back. That's why sociopathy hasn't spread to the entire population.
@woozle @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed Here it seems to vary as from 200 to 500 on some days .. a lack of consistency ..it boggles my mind when some are able to write a whole chapter or a small story here ... or the auto stupid interferes with its context and word changes or actually is very uneducated guesses
@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Something they don't like to advertise: Most of the heritable genes for autism increase ability in academic domains, and thus increase IQ scores. Only the de novo (out of the blue, not inherited) mutations have negative effects on cognition. This flies in the face of the eugenicist messaging implicit in IQ scoring and other forms of ableism.
@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Every human being (up to identical twins) represents a specific evolutionary experiment, a unique combination of genes, each of which confers a multitude of positive and negative influences. It gets even more complicated when you start considering *interactions* between those variants, where the presence of each gene strengthens, weakens, or even inverts the effect of other genes.
We are all, every human being alive, at the cutting edge of evolution. And each of us is tested for evolutionary fitness in a unique setting, not some universal test for fitness. There is no uberman. There is no such thing as genetic superiority. The concept isn't even well-defined. Ableism is a fundamentally flawed concept at its very root.
As if that weren't enough, why the hell do we care what course evolution has set for us? What about the course *we* set for ourselves? We can decide what is good. We don't need evolution for that.
@Lstn2urmama @punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed There is definitely some truth to this. The various neurotypes we define are really just overlaid categories to group people into easy-to-analyze chunks -- same as any other categorization in any other domain. Still, categories are useful, and "autistic" is a category we can define not just in terms of behavior but in terms of genetics and brain structure and function.
Needing to input here. I was born in 1957. I was colicky and my mother had no intention of breast feeding which was popular back then. I hated formula so my mother got the brilliant idea somewhere to feed me diluted jello water. I lived for my initial 9 months of my life on sugar and horse hoof gelatin. Did that cause my autism or was I autistic coming in. This will be forever unknown.
@LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed This tells me YOU ARE A SURVIVOR with abilities unknown to many a human being .. have capabilities to be someone beyond many just differently ... Do own research on your needs and replenish them for a long life ...
Some of us are beyond or below what is considered normal ...🙏
This is not "my" pic but illustrates how infants were treated by the 50's. This was the norm back then. Formula was just invented and was said to be better than breast milk so mothers stopped breast feeding and started doing THIS...
@LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed I was very ill a few years ago and all I lived on was boiled eggs and watermelon and my meds for 6 months as covid shut down everything before able to get help mostly needed or dieing ...
@LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed We are more resilent than we give ourselves credit for ... have challenged self to having tested that all ones needs to eat to be satisfied with is 3 tablespoons of food at anytime ... not these big meals ...just maybe more often ...
We must remember where we came from all they had was fruit and grains with some meat...
@jeanoappleseed @LaNaehForaday @Lstn2urmama . Yeah. But the veterinarians all talk about that first breastfeed and the colostrum and the life long immunity problems when the cows miss it. That's why it's still preferred, and I think they never even considered it for me or my sibs either.
I actually do know this to be true. I was born autistic. I have always been "different" and although I didnt know what I was, was autistic until recently... I love the me that I am. I see how other people are so shallow and dont get to see the beauty of the planet that I witness all day every day. My focus is completely different. I can do the real world if I have to but I prefer my peaceful interior to almost anything else. I have always felt particularly protected as well. The beautiful planet provides for me just what I need.
And funny enough, Im healthy and for the most part, Ive always been healthy.
@jeanoappleseed @LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts We are born whom we are .. but it is up to us to further our knowledge and life reactions to what we learn and how we use it with guidance from parents or others
@jeanoappleseed @VulcanTourist @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama . They lie like two year olds, like they don't know there's a real world, they don't know there's people who already know, or that we can easily check, it's bloody amazing 😲
I bombed out near the end despite being a National Merit Scholar and having a completely free ride, not because I couldn't hack it academically, but because I couldn't hack it *socially*. I didn't even know I was disabled yet, but had I known, there would have been no support. I couldn't even get proper support for my severe suicidal tendencies during that period of my life. I ended up homeless for a time. The system fails us *badly*.
@jeanoappleseed @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts I would rather have my belief in someone who actually has experience within the subject matter and doing my own research with help from others ...
@Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I wonder if this is why so many autistic people are (out as) trans. Like, we couldn't do our birth gender right anyway so we're more likely to experiment AND more likely to be resilient when people think we're weird. I say "(out as)" not because I think a lot of us are faking or anything, but because I'm sure there are more allistic people who *want* to transition than there are that do
@Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed I would add my mom's celiac into this discussion, but I've also met my parents and have a hunch that the DNA methylation happened before then
. I've spent my life trying to figure out Allistic people, and I'm afraid I have and the news is not uplifting. . I mean, I can't say, "These are our traits and these are theirs, because even we don't seem to all think like I do, but the difference between Me and Allistic people is that their bottom line is this "strength," they are sure they need to be battle ready at all times, and also, the penny dropped on this one reading #TheDawnOfEverything when they gave me the word, "actuarial," meaning of or pertaining to, "a sense of what sort of world you create with your behaviour and your policies and laws," and the causality of human affairs - which the North Americans of the Haudenaussee Confederacy found the European invaders lacking in. In my mind, they have "deterrents," and punishments where they need psychology and evolution - I find a deterrent to be a threat and a cause of all bad things, and the whole theory of a deterrent is the opposite of evolution, you are to get more civilized because... show more
. I've spent my life trying to figure out Allistic people, and I'm afraid I have and the news is not uplifting. . I mean, I can't say, "These are our traits and these are theirs, because even we don't seem to all think like I do, but the difference between Me and Allistic people is that their bottom line is this "strength," they are sure they need to be battle ready at all times, and also, the penny dropped on this one reading #TheDawnOfEverything when they gave me the word, "actuarial," meaning of or pertaining to, "a sense of what sort of world you create with your behaviour and your policies and laws," and the causality of human affairs - which the North Americans of the Haudenaussee Confederacy found the European invaders lacking in. In my mind, they have "deterrents," and punishments where they need psychology and evolution - I find a deterrent to be a threat and a cause of all bad things, and the whole theory of a deterrent is the opposite of evolution, you are to get more civilized because of a constant threat of violence, this is not causality and it lacks any actuarial sense. . They NEED their viziers and whatnot. Badly.
@raphaelmorgan @Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed I've thought this for a long time. We are way more likely to do things our way, regardless of what society thinks. Often, it's not even a choice, because many of us simply can't fake our entire persona. Mannerisms, maybe, but not who we fundamentally are.
@raphaelmorgan @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed Interesting! My uncle is celiac, and his grandson is the only other person in the family who is formally diagnosed as autistic.
My dad has other digestive issues, namely achalasia, which is probably related both to having EDS and to being a polio survivor. (All my uncles and brothers, and many of my cousins, are also double-jointed, though none of them to the degree that I am.)
New research from the University of Cambridge suggests that autistic individuals are less likely to identify as heterosexual and more likely to identify with a
@raphaelmorgan @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed My mom was born with a club foot and grew up in an abusive home. So I'm probably the recipient of epigenetics and genetics from all sides.
@punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed Power to you for your extent of research.. but for some of us the day to day nature of dealing with our own aspect of what we have to deal with is more than enough ...
It's that social mind thing. Besides being able to learn gender roles an' shit from each other, normies have to be all up in our shit demanding we conform.
@punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed Agreed. Possible maybe in some societies more open to different ways of being, but uncommon. I’m guessing that in ancient societies, too much energy was needed to deal with common but serious threats.
"These antibiotics can cause tendonitis, tendon rupture, and potentially life-threatening conditions such as aortic aneurysm and dissection. This is especially concerning for individuals with underlying connective tissue disorders."
Scary stuff! My brother was a victim. He had to have a tendon surgically repaired in his thumb after a tendon ruptured. Thankfully, it was something that *could* be repaired!
@Dianora @Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed oh cool! That makes sense. What I said would apply to all queer people, because cis queer people also stay in the closet somewhere between sometimes and a lot (we'll never know :/) For the record though, I wasn't saying autism causes us to be trans. I was saying it might give trans people the self reflection to realize it and/or the courage to socially transition
@Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed oh wow, thanks for sharing! I better take care of my micro biome, I already had a list of antibiotics I can't have and those weren't on it (fortunately I haven't used them yet, but I imagine they're better for specific situations than others and I've had antibiotics maybe 3 times in my life 😅)
@jeanoappleseed @Tooden @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts I get it .. tried to go back to school but could not handle small room and ALL THE NOISES... within ... Most of my jobs have been in solitude as have been in jobs were constant noises were debilating ... Now have no radio or other noise factors other than keyboard and outside noises are more than enough to handle and have a rhythm to them ...
@raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds I broke a bicep a few years ago and can no longer trust any of them or muscles to knees either so have to be extremely cautious ...have an over all weakness in body from getting very ill ...
@raphaelmorgan @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed Wow, I've had them more times than that in just the last 2 months! A shot and then 3 rounds of oral antibiotics.
@dhfir @Uair @pathfinder @skiles @EVDHmn @Dianora @jeanoappleseed @MissGayle you're introspective enough to say it though 🤷 most neurotypical cowards think they're just reasonable. And a lot of neurotypical people are confused and so they just bullshit or go along with what the normies are doing, without ever acknowledging that they're confused
Azithromycin, aka, Zithromax, should also be avoided as it also causes tendon damage. That's one of the most recent discoveries. It is very possible that it does more damage than is known.
It does adversely affect the gut biome. Recovery from that is often rapid but not always and not guaranteed at all.
I suspect neurological effects as well but I can't get anyone to listen. I get cut off very quickly.
Azithromycin is just thrown at pretty much any infection, including fungal, and molds such as aspergillis, for which it is pretty useless. Sometimes it does not work on other infections and a second course is prescribed, which accelerates the damage done.
SOME of us were kept on some antibotics daily for years .. because of unknown factors.. hence where the malpractice point comes in or we are ignored for what we have told doctors ...
@sasutina13 I had no idea! That's one of the several antibiotics I took recently. It seems like it's all the ones that actually work for me that end up getting marked off the list, which is a shame, but I'd much rather have ongoing sinus trouble than a ruptured aorta or something!
I had ciprofloxacin to deal with something--I forgot what, it was probably the aspergillis infection--and it immediately caused seizures that were mediated with benadryl IV. Not even a week after finishing, I had injuries occur that should not have happened, like tendon pain just from opening a door, That progressed to more severe tendon injuries. It seems to have caused other problems as well... I made a list somewhere... I have not taken it since but that has not stopped injuries from continuing.
Azithromycin was a godsend for me after being sick with something effecting my breathing for 5 weeks and it worked great ... even if doctor will not prescribe again
Have had covid 3 times and this last one lasted for over a year thus far still leaving residual effects ... with NO treatments / not left home since September.. but is slightly better and looking forward to getting away from here different scenery .
@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed My autism is on borderline of what diagnostic criteria would call autism, but I see myself in other autistics. it is 100% autism. Since birth. I had many burnouts from being undiagnosed & uncared for, with no support, & those traits became a bit more visible to me with my trauma responses. PTSD = autistic burnout. The autism came first & trauma came bc of it.
I wonder about what your infection was. There are so many antibiotic resistant bacteria now. And of course, fungi and mold do not respond much, if at all, to antibiotics.
Too many doctors will not test for aspergillis infection, even when the symptoms indicate it it very likely. And by the time someone does test, it has become embedded in bone and can be removed only by removing the infected bone.
No doctor visits at the covid time allowed only over the phone and drugs delivered to home ... even my surgery was only available to me when illness was about to stage end after a year and organ failure was imminent...
@Lstn2urmama @JoBlakely @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed Also, if we are safely within our comfort zones, many of us can appear normalish. If something happens to contract those zones, burnout, or outside factors, then our ability to function becomes far more moot. It's only an appearance that our autism is worse.
Pretty much the same. I realised recently that everyone pretty much gave up on me. Not that I fault them, cos I was a handful and nobody knew much if anything about autism.
I had to basically fend for myself, and learn social stuff on my own. I made a shipton of mistakes.
Knees here would go painfully backwards just trying to walk/ could not ride a bike till I was 20/ could have fingers pulled halfway back when young till arthritis took over ... I used to be able to do advanced yoga when was not supposed to be able to do so/ never mind normal yoga
Have been told am hyper mobile after attempting to get genetics tests when were not done ... I used to be able to touch floor with wrists
Here is something I remembered ... Nowadays unable to ride a normal bike as hips and legs do not sit in right position to reach pedals ... they are much forward ND pedals too far back...
@Lstn2urmama @sasutina13 I did a lot of research, too, when I was younger. Both reading and actual live experiments to better understand. The experiments didn't usually go too well.
@sasutina13 I projected my own honesty, kindness, good faith onto others who did not deserve it. The same way awful people project awful things onto innocent people. I was blinded by my own light.
@jeanoappleseed It's definitely better, just not always possible for all mothers. Sensory issues, milk drying up, there are a number of reasons why not, that should in no way reflect badly on the mother.
"blinded by my own light" pretty much sums it up for me as well.And I also projected goodness and kindness on anyone, though not all did not deserve it. I did that for so long. Even after being assaulted, which I blamed myself for, naturally. Then I went through a period in the opposite extreme of distrust and cynicism. I am pretty messed up...still...
@sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed same. We are conditioned to blame ourselves instead of society. They want us silent, not changing the world for the better. Victim blaming is a strategy that is common…then we just abuse ourselves. It’s hard, because for such a long time we were visible prey to predators without realizing we looked any different. Even when we knew we were different than others in some ways we struggled defining.
@JoBlakely @sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . I thought I was breaking cycles, doing everything every kids' story tells you to do, telling the truth, being good . . . I'm not bragging, I may have in the past, but now I understand that was the easy way for me to be, the only way for me to be - so are NT masking to us when they parrot these ideals and morals? Are all their religious and moral rules really ours, and they're just going through the motions?
@JoBlakely Yes. The guilt is persistent, amost constant. Guiltier than a Catholic.. I read a blog called "My Fault, I'm Female" some time ago. Women posted stories about being blamed for, well, pretty much anything.
They can see us coming from around the corner, it seems.
It has made me quite a bit less social. It definitely made me far less trusting.
@punishmenthurts Yes. Exactly. It was the only way for me to be. I hate the term, bc it pathologizes integrity but someone autistic called it ‘moral OCD’ when for me it’s just living in integrity with the ideas of how a person should be and was taught. I am deeply uncomfortable with anything that goes against my morals. I set high standards but they aren’t hard to meet. I don’t get what’s so hard for others.
@JoBlakely @sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . we gotta listen to them preach, but we're to be ridiculed if we believe it, straight up. . And yes, in every other context it's "Who's a Criminal?<" but when it's us, it's "Who's too stupid to be a Criminal?" 💜
@JoBlakely @sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . my latest take, extreme as fuck, is that they simply never learn anything or change their minds about anything, nothing ACTUALLY matters to them, everything, is, yeah, but (but whatever I want to think), right? . My main one: sure, evolution - but really, Human Nature, amirite? But EVERYTHING is like that, they haven't learned a new idea since the Bronze Age. . I'm sorry, but . . .
Wow. I’m sorry. That’s just bullshit from whoever that was. Sticking up for someone should never require apologetics. And autism isn’t the only reason. It’s because you saw it was right to do, and your integrity wouldn’t allow you to bystand. Your autism makes you more aware, caring, sensitive, and courageous, & more likely to speak up esp. on behalf of others…
They attacked bc their ego & sense of superiority was knocked bc you showed them up, shamed them by doing the right thing. I had someone rage at me when I stuck up for someone too…bc they weren’t the one to do it. They couldn’t stand that it made them feel inferior, when they have a need to feel better than.
@punishmenthurts I read that the slap was typically backhanded to humiliate & demonstrate dominance over a lower ranked person. Turning the other cheek shows you are unbothered, not humiliated & they would have to use an open hand now, which would signify Jesus as an equal. Jesus sees himself as an equal. Regardless of the insult & attempt at dominance that slap intended.
@JoBlakely @sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed . meh, I don't get it. It's supposed to be this massive teaching, everybody knows it, but it's about the formalities preceding a fight or a lawsuit? . DGMW, I've never read my idea anywhere, it's just my obsession, No Punishment, and I only care what Jesus said, if he was agreeing with me. LOL. . Pretty much nobody in history ever said "No Punishment."
@jeanoappleseed I was attacked once on the job and looked over my shoulder for a week or 2 but got over it by talking to myself as am my own best competition... READ ATTACHMENT PLEASE
@jeanoappleseed I can see that you have strong opinions about this topic. Please try to remember that it's not my theory. I learned about it in class and hyperfixated on it for a few hours a few weeks ago partially because I had heard of sometime with it but mostly because it had something to do with autism.
@jeanoappleseed There are a few names that show up in research papers about it a lot. I can get you their name and academic affiliations if you want to talk about it with someone who knows a lot more about it than I do.
@MissGayle @Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @jeanoappleseed@social.vivaldi.net @actuallyautistic . No, I mean everyone, in regard to themselves. I’m speaking from an asexual place, I guess, but y’all are obsessed with sexual matters. Even as the world burns from completely non-sexual things going on, everybody’s gender and genitals are their whole universe, their first and prime subject. . “I’m straight,” I’m queer,” I don’t care what you do with your genitals, who did you vote for, how do you raise your kids? A world of spanking and war and all they want to talk about is who they’re screwing. LOL. 😈💜😀
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in reply to Aaron • • •Me too 🫂
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in reply to Aaron • • •i have the opposite reaction to confrontation and instantly get all hyped up and ready to fight
i've been trying to stop doing that for like forty years and i'm infinitely better than i used to be
but knowing how it effects other people actually really makes me want to stop more
so i'll think of you guys next time i get upset
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in reply to Aaron • • •because often, or almost always really, autistic people seem "normal" to me (maybe i'm also on the spectrum myself, i don't know)
but i want to get along with autistic people, in general
is all
anyways sorry for the confusion
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We're definitely targets. Whatever it is about being autistic the playground bullies can spot generally sticks around life long.
I got enough of my grandfather's genes I do OK in confrontation. He ran Ventnor, a moderately rough town, back in the days before every dipshit carried a gun. He could crush a steel beer can between his palms.
I refuse to drink in bars not just because I can't afford it, but because I'd be too good at violence and, being a grown-up, I go around it. I get the dumb punk with his pecker up coming at me, same as you. Thing is, if I had the right amount of beer in me, the first shot would be me glassing him in the face with a pint beer glass. Neither of us need that. He'd rather continue to have eyeballs and I'd prefer to stay out of prison.
So I drink alone, with George Thorogood. I party by myself with the Hollywood Undead.
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I'm the opposite. I literally feel too guilty to fight back, even as they're punching me in the face, so I have lost every single fight of self-defense I have ever been in, and then cried from guilt afterward if I punched back.
It's a total reversal if I'm defending someone else, though. I turn into a beast. I've thrown people twice my size with one hand. Almost every time this has been put to the test, it was because my brother has an even more punchable face than me, so I have countless memories of yelling, "DON'T TOUCH MY BROTHER!!!" before joining the fray and trouncing people. It's this automatic reaction that just wells up. I took on 6 dudes in a parking lot once without hesitation, after which two friends decided to have my back, and we beat the crap out of them and made them apologize.
It's the weirdest dualistic experience.
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in reply to Aaron • • •I'm like you, but an only child. I honestly never had to use violence at all, and I was raised antitheist atheist in a neighborhood where the dominant culture was Catholic gangster.
I almost took out 4 kids with improvised antipersonnels when they did a racism and attacked our Black friend, then trapped the whole party in the house and waited for Bill to come out, but mom calmed me down enough. I know that a garbage truck is sturdy enough to withstand a stick of dynamite going off inside it.
You probably already read about the time I almost killed a guy in Cairo. So I've come close, but pulled myself back from the brink both times. I would have won both, though. It wouldn't have killed those four kids with pipes besieging my friend's house, but it would have wrecked their world. Quarter sticks of dynamite with a couple layers of birdshot.
I mastered words. And psychology. There are all sorts of ways to deflect someone looking for a fight. I know a guy who broke up a fight with a kiss. Well, a threatened kiss. Two drunk guys were squaring up so he waltzed between
... show moreI'm like you, but an only child. I honestly never had to use violence at all, and I was raised antitheist atheist in a neighborhood where the dominant culture was Catholic gangster.
I almost took out 4 kids with improvised antipersonnels when they did a racism and attacked our Black friend, then trapped the whole party in the house and waited for Bill to come out, but mom calmed me down enough. I know that a garbage truck is sturdy enough to withstand a stick of dynamite going off inside it.
You probably already read about the time I almost killed a guy in Cairo. So I've come close, but pulled myself back from the brink both times. I would have won both, though. It wouldn't have killed those four kids with pipes besieging my friend's house, but it would have wrecked their world. Quarter sticks of dynamite with a couple layers of birdshot.
I mastered words. And psychology. There are all sorts of ways to deflect someone looking for a fight. I know a guy who broke up a fight with a kiss. Well, a threatened kiss. Two drunk guys were squaring up so he waltzed between them with his gallon of wine and threatened to kiss the first fool to throw a punch. Then he passed the jug around.
However, we all have that part of us that wants to win fights, and mine's nasty. I'm not a fighter, but I am a killer at heart. I didn't choose that, but I can choose what I do with it. And what I do is stay the hell out of bars 😀
I hope I don't run across ICE snatching any of my neighbors, though. I might break my 50 year track record of peacefulness.
Aaron
in reply to Aaron • • •I did not need this today. Just had to block someone I formerly followed, and they even turned ableist on me when I mentioned I'm autistic, claiming I was "hiding behind" it.
I've already had enough from dealing with my doctor's office betraying me and having someone from the office talk over me and insinuate in an already very stressful phone call that I "just" had a cough and therefore didn't need to take off work for the last *month*. (Yeah, I told them during all 4-5 visits that it was more than that, coughing till I couldn't catch my breath, severe fatigue, brain fog, disrupted sleep. But did they write that down in their notes? Of course not.)
I'm this close to a full-on meltdown.
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in reply to Aaron • • •I fought a friend recreationally when I was 25. Just so I could say I'd been in a fight. The first shot was him hitting me in the face with a vodka bottle, splitting my lip and giving me a concussion. I pondered in slow-mo for I dunno...90 seconds while he used me as a punching bag, then overpowered him. I never hit him, though. I just felt silly.
I went home and showered before going to the hospital. They had to get a plastic surgeon to fix my lip.
I learned the value of getting the first shot in. At my level of strength and creative viciousness, it'd be all I'd need against anyone less than, say, an actual heavyweight boxer or large state prison inmate. And even then I wouldn't count me out.
Kevin Davy
in reply to Aaron • • •Understandable in a sense. Those of us with deep empathy know what it means to hurt someone and therefore might feel that our own good isn't worth that, but someone else's is. We could easily bring this to apply to any sort of confrontation.
Personally, I'm happy to verbally stand up for myself, and obviously others, and especially if I know that I'm definitely in the right. It becomes a bit greyer the less sure I am and also somewhat depends on how much point there is to standing up for myself. If it's seriously not going to change anything, or anyone, then I'd rather save my energy. Fighting is something I truly hate and try to avoid at all costs. Unfortunately, as a few have discovered the hard way, that doesn't mean that I'm not actually good at it. There's a barely tethered berserker within me, that really shouldn't be unleashed.
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Poloniousmonk
in reply to Aaron • • •@pathfinder @jeanoappleseed
Same here. That's just an autistic thing.
I was talking to an autistic man who had a neighbor kill and dismember his blind cat. He "beat him and his daughter until they bled from multiple orifices". Me, I dodge violence but totally validate that one.
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Hollywood Undead reference = automatic boost
Gonna go listen to Party By Myself, now, thanks.
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Miss Gayle
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Yep, it's that "stamp of strangeness" that neurodivergent kids can't see but everybody else can. It never goes away. Mitigated, somewhat, but never eradicated.
[A quote from the book Dune, where Paul says the Reverend Mother put one on him.]
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in reply to Miss Gayle • • •The uncanny valley effect.
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in reply to Kevin Davy • • •Im so bad I generally miss the uncanny valley for years?
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in reply to Everyday.Human Derek • • •It's always there, just mostly subconscious.
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in reply to Kevin Davy • • •I have to pay super close attention and even then I miss it I try not to 🙁 it’s one thing that hasn’t gotten better ever for me having bad eyes doesn’t help and honestly I think I have stopped looking partially. I will have to start looking again for a month and see if I improve!
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@pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @Uair @jeanoappleseed I often got harrassed for being LGBTQ even though I'm cishet. I think they sensed something different about me and just projected it onto their pet bigotry.
(Growing up in Texas in the '80s and '90s, it was downright dangerous to be labeled as gay. I witnessed a guy who got lynched at a party for just the rumor of it. I cannot begin to describe how fucked up that situation was, and I'm sure he is way more fucked up about it than I am, even though it still disturbs me to this day.)
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I'm sorry you experienced that. Nobody should have to.
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I'd say it took me about fifty years to convince people I wasn't gay and in the closet.
I'm cishet but totally gender queer. I never got the point of gender roles.
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I think it's part and parcel with the autism. Gender is a social construct. It can mean radically different things in different times and places. Autistic people have a poor connection to that layer of the brain; the pack animal layer than handles social reinforcement.
I was in college before I found out it's "inappropriate" for men to sit down to pee. I always brought my book in as a kid.
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Poloniousmonk
in reply to The Sleight Doctor 🃏 • • •When I'm grumpy, I say that only autistic people communicate in language. Neurotypicals communicate in vibe, and microcues. They only use language to manipulate and deceive.
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@MissGayle @pathfinder @EVDHmn @Uair @jeanoappleseed I feel way worse for the guy who was being targeted. He was a nice kid. He didn't deserve that.
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They threw him down on a concrete floor and stood around him, whipping him with giant cowboy belt buckles, the ones made of huge solid chunks of metal with fixed prongs that go through the belt holes so they don't give and have significant weight to them. I'm pretty sure they were trying to kill him. My brother jumped in to stop them before I could finish computing what was happening, and that's when I ended up having to jump in for my brother's sake, as his head was being bounced off the concrete floor repeatedly by one of those disgusting rednecks' fists. I was so full of adrenaline I threw the guy across the room. It all ended as fast as it had begun, thankfully. No one was okay.
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Yeah, I remember getting lectured by my mom for walking the "wrong" way.
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in reply to Aaron • • •@Uair @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed There's just differing cognitive and communication styles in play. We neurotypicals need to understand that making the other person do all the work is unfair and alienating.
Small example from my colleague: avoid perfunctory verbal rituals, such as using "you okay?" as a greeting. Straight away, some autistic people are struggling to figure out if it's a sincere question requiring a full answer, or if the answer is just "yeah, you?".
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Poloniousmonk
in reply to The Sleight Doctor 🃏 • • •@ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed
I'm fortunate enough to have grown up outside Philly. "Howya doon?" is verbal punctuation. Nobody wants an answer.
I used to occasionally fuck with people by deliberately launching on the longest monologue I could get away with when hit with that question.
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i.grok
in reply to Aaron • • •I get why you'd say that, but I think it's part of the larger pattern of language change—words and phrases become drained of potency & meaning by overuse, which then leads to phrases becoming idioms and eventually new words
I assume it's related to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic…
(Which makes me wonder if autistic people experience that, and if so, it they do at a different rate than those that are neurotypical)
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psychological phenomenon in which repetition causes a word to temporarily lose meaning for the listener
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in reply to i.grok • • •I honestly think Americans just got too infantile and emotionally weak minded to actually communicate any more. It's not all of us, but starting with the baby boomers, it seems like people just tell lies all the time. I mean, everybody knows everything trump says is a lie. So was everything Bill Clinton said. We elected both men twice.
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@Uair @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed
To be clear I'm not autistic so I'm a bit of an interloper in this. Instead I seem to be some other variety of atypical, including learning disabled. And lacking the ability to convincingly execute the male gender role, though I've never understood why.
But I guess those details don't matter if bullies and homophobes pick up on any type of oddity and snap to homosexuality as the explanation.
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I'm pretty sure it's projection. I figure sexuality is more-or-less a bell curve, with a handful of pure hetero or pure homo at either end and most people somewhere in between leaning one way or another.
The haters don't hate us, they hate themselves. They're just projecting it onto us.
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In some cases I am pretty confident that the homophobe attacking me was, indeed, a self-hating LGBTQ person themselves. Though I hesitate to say that's the only motivation for homophobes. Some just enjoy picking on the weak, or reinforcing social hirearchy.
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Unknown parent • • •@jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle It's not entirely insincere, it's just that "you okay?", "y'alright?" etc. are just ways of acknowledging your presence and checking there's nothing pressingly important they need to know about before getting on with their day. It's "are you basically functioning right now?"
Unless you're in immediate crisis and they're the one who can help, the answer is nearly always "yeah, you?" (or a variation thereof).
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When I figured out that homophobia was mostly to mask homosexual traits, I became flamboyantly unconcerned if people thought I was gay. In the early 90s I hung out with the boys who lisped and wore dresses, at least until I got tired of deflecting sexual advances.
Even they couldn't tell I wasn't gay.
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Unknown parent • • •@jeanoappleseed @ApostateEnglishman @MissGayle
I listened until I was about 40, 45. Then my backed-up need for validation just overwhelmed me.
Now I'll infodump at anyone.
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Kurt Vonnegut:
99% of human conversation consists of this message--I'm alive and you are, too.
This puzzles autists.
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seconded, I'm afeared.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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Yeah, I guess I passive aggressively said enough to make it clear things weren't optimal and that if they didn't pursue it, that was on them. 😈
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Not the best.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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yeah, but for ALL the words? 😘
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in reply to Feral Aunt Nessie • • •We got the memo. We just can't read it anymore.
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in reply to Poloniousmonk • • •The first time I've seen George Thorogood referenced in social media. Bravo!
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Unknown parent • • •@jeanoappleseed
Complete left turn here. My dad was also a polio survivor, which is a pretty unusual coincidence by itself, before throwing in the fact that you and I are both autistic. Based on research I've read, there may be a link between serious immune challenges in parents and autism in their offspring, via DNA methylation. I wonder what the autism prevalence is among the offspring of polio survivors.
#polio
#PolioSurvivor
#autism
#ActuallyAutistic
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For me this question it’s the perfect example of the double empathy problem.
I had to learn how to deal with this question when I moved here, because in Canada everyone I met is asking me this question. And after 23 years it’s still making me uncomfortable and so much more now that I know that I’m autistic.
I need to constantly remember that it is only a social convention in the neurotypical world. And that the person asking me that question doesn’t really want to know, that it’s just a way to greet me, an extension of Hi/Hello.
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I wouldn’t fawn or pander to their misogyny or ego. I was not thinking of gender at all. Not thinking of making assumptions about people & their place on a hierarchy or how ppl represent a gender. I didn’t realize how angrily men deal with this loss of assumed supremacy.
Men can’t cope. They need to feel superior to me to ‘feel like a man’…and they find fast they are not superior to me.
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Andreas K
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Yeah, it's rather obvious.
Now personal experience suggests there is a little bit more to the black art of Smalltalk (the spelling might be a good hint that I consider the computer environment less stressful), just repeating obvious things does not make you a small talk master, it gets you an irritated wife who demonstrates how will she can count.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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Just say, "Sorry." And if they press, say, "Sorry, EH" 😜
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I mean, I wanted any talk to be real, literal, and I tried to force them by giving real answers and asking them in such a way that they knew I wanted an answer, and I told myself it worked, I was living a real life - but turned out, they weren't, they were just all masking to me. Near as I can tell, you can't shake them out of it.
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in reply to Chroniques autistes 🇨🇦 • • •@adelinej @jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle With neurotypicals, personal info is given on a "need-to-know" basis. This makes whether you're okay a sliding scale: if a stranger asks if you're okay and you're having bad chest pains, they need to know this. So no you're not okay, call 911! If your boss asks if you're okay, they *only* need to know if something is impacting your work. Otherwise, you're okay.
If your friend asks if you're okay? They need to know it all. 🥰
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lizzzzard
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As a German, who don't do this ever, I can tell you it's really weird. But then I believe the quota of autistic people is exceptionally high in our population. German engineering and all.
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in reply to Aaron • • •Aaron
in reply to IamSheilaat91 • • •@sheilasmall Thanks for sharing!
I would not expect 100% prevalence, if there is a link at all. Just a higher rate than in the general population.
MissConstrue
in reply to Aaron • • •No worries! I'll hunt around pubmed and see if I can find them. Don't spend spoons on it. 😀
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Starting to like this idea:
How ya doin?
Sorry!
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You alright?
Sorry!
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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my thought about when anything looks like a drug or a toxin has “caused Autism,” is that no genius has yet developed the mastery to “cause,” a human brain that works at all, but that perhaps some things can harm your Allism first. Doesn’t “cause,” any particular neurotype but maybe sometimes the newest parts (and I think Allism is ten thousand years old, tops) get hurt first.
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Poisons cause brain damage, and every brain damaged mouse or person isn’t Autistic - but maybe many of the damaged really aren’t Allistic anymore?
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •But to me ...I think AUTISM is more of a protection from within as well as its own education of self in certain situations according to my being of 72 yrs ...
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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just something I think affects the whole conversation. People
start talking about a cause, it sounds like they’re talking about a disease, and sure enough all the magazines are calling every brain damage effect they find, “Autism.”
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It’s a scary conflation, we need a better theory and that was mine. I’m almost that old too.
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gender and sex seems to be everything to regular folks, you’d think nothing else was going on the world you listen to them 😀
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Only right wing religions. They obsess on it. Nobody else cares.
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Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •I just read a portion of Allistic syndrome and according to my own experience
I am thinking it is part of a NARRISTIC nature from what have seen and heard from others in my life duration
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sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
in reply to Aaron • • •Autism may be a latent trait triggered by something such as serious disease, physical trauma, or something, and then that no longer latent trait is passed on to later generations?
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I don’t think it’s latent or triggered or adaptive to the modern world, I think the whole world was and is Autistic - except Allistic modern humans, and they trigger themselves with the childhood they provide 😈💜
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sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
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Generations of forced allism perhaps?
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kind of, yeah
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Aaron
in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •There is *some* evidence which *suggests* that epigenetic changes from trauma or illness in a parent can result in autism in their offspring. It's inconclusive at this time, which is why I stress "some" and "suggests".
AFAIK, there is *zero* evidence suggesting autism could develop in a non-autistic person as a trauma response. This is because autism is developmental, not an acquired trait.
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in reply to Aaron • • •I guess this is probably a common misconception about genetics propagated by poorly researched sci fi. Changing someone's genes can change their metabolic pathways, their biochemistry, but it can't change their physical structure, not directly. (There is the route of hormones, but that is slower-acting.) You can't expose turtles to toxic goo and make them "turn into teenagers", as a friend once put it. That kind of physical restructuring is well outside of biological plausibility.
Since autism is a difference not only at the biochemical level, but at the structural level, you can't just change someone's genes and thereby make them become autistic; their brain has to grow that way in the first place. Their brain has to grow in the shape of an autistic one for them to be autistic. This is also why it's ridiculous to say that a vaccine made someone autistic.
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Green Roc Thoughts
in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •they tried to abuse me into allism, and I submissively withdrew into that allism for 30+ years... always struggling, until I broke free, and reunited with my suppressed autistic self.
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in reply to Aaron • • •I believe autism is genetic. In my family, my grandma was surely autistic (no formal Dx, there was shame in getting dx'd autistic), I didnt know her parents but I was told she was abused, my dad was abused, I was abused. Abused parents maybe part of the 'cause'. I agree with protection, as I feel a strong need to protect myself, involuntarily screaming like a trapped rat in certain situations.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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I go a step further and say natural and not a developmental problem either 😇
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My development was slower than average humans... but was not impaired. Slowness to walk, to talk, to potty, were upsetting for my parents, who wanted me to wake up sooner, learn to potty sooner, learn to walk sooner than I was ready for.
The rush made me stumble and fall. If not for their pre-existing ideas of when I should do things, maybe life would be better.
I did learn to grab much sooner than peers.
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in reply to Ngati Pakeha Kuia • • •Yeah. I want people to be happy, so I fawn. Denying my own needs to make the abuser happy. And so, abuse myself with neglect to my body's needs. A vicious cycle I wish to end with me. No kids for me.
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I think that’s a great point. The idea of narrowly defined genders & socially acceptable sexualities simply makes no sense. I’m a cishet woman, but have always pushed back on narrow definitions of womanhood or even the idea that there should be a definition. Like, I’m just me, happy in my body and to have used that body to reproduce & nurture children. And if someone else feels differently about their body, that’s their business.
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in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •@GreenRoc @CarolynStirling @Lstn2urmama @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed @punishmenthurts
Ah, but fawning is not necessarily inherent in us. It’s something we learn as a strategy to avoid stressful conflict, &/or to please those we wish or feel we need to please.
I was always one of those people who could surprise others with when I chose to voice my disagreement. For me, it wasn’t just about who I was trying to please, as the i
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Ah, but fawning is not necessarily inherent in us. It’s something we learn as a strategy to avoid stressful conflict, &/or to please those we wish or feel we need to please.
I was always one of those people who could surprise others with when I chose to voice my disagreement. For me, it wasn’t just about who I was trying to please, as the issue on which we disagreed. There were some issues upon which I wouldn’t, couldn’t budge. But my apparent ability to operate independently, masking my enormous sense of vulnerability, made it more possible to voice such disagreement.
Obviously our level of dependence on others is a huge factor here, with those less able to be financially independent being most vulnerable. Autistic in ways that reduce one’s ability to gain qualifications & employment, and female, or presenting as female or feminine? (And I’m guessing other minority factors apply here, colour, religion etc.) Bingo.
Dependence is a bit like the deficit approach to autism. The fact that we can operate more independently if respected, valued & accommodated accordingly is a huge stretch for many people. It’s not just about abusers who seek out the vulnerable to exploit (not always consciously, but out of a need to define themselves as strong & independent against someone “weaker” than themselves). It’s about people having narrow, unquestioned & often binary ideas about strength, ability, & so on. Inter-dependence, complementary strengths & talents etc are concepts that require too much effort to consider.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •I believe there are many different elements involved with such happenings and whether genetic or from other combinations of one's own mentality makes one protect self from surroundings ...
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •It seems that Allism is a different fish from a different pond all together ...
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in reply to Aaron • • •I BELIEVE ...that over many generations of actions from within could be reactionary as to how one deals with actions ongoing if persons do not take time to make changes for one self and future of others .. even if only one step is better than none ...Bravo and pride ...
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in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •It takes effort to break cycles and know you are better than where you come from and build yourself with your efforts ... we all were given brains and it is up to us... to figure out how to use them for being in a better place ...
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in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •Sadly some parents may want to be first at anything or have children grown up before their time ... and not allow for the natural growth patterns ..
Have seen this happen within my own circle of friends as well as others .. then their is the odd child that potty trains one self to use a toilet after seeing a older child do so and not need to be trained when the older child was unable to do so on own ...
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in reply to Ngati Pakeha Kuia • • •Or there is no children to interfere with that control ...
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Hello, I’m almost back, busy day, I’ll read back. 💜
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in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •I get that after having my own child and giving to the many needs of a child and withholding or depriving self of many things I could of used for my own health...
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in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •This is in part of some of the factors that can be added to either having ADHD or other issues ... and one tries to deal with life in a solitary manner as well for peace and quiet ...
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed
Yeah, I have a real issue with “developmental” too.
In evolutionary terms, we know that diversity is good. That a range of strengths & talents in any population makes them better able to deal with a range of issues. (Similar things apply of course to the workplace, education etc.) Many abilities come hand in hand with a shortcoming. People who are good at responding to sudden change (eg some ADHEDers) aren’t always good at long term planning. People who are very good at planning don’t adapt well to change. (Eg some autistic folk.) Some people are great at admin,
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Yeah, I have a real issue with “developmental” too.
In evolutionary terms, we know that diversity is good. That a range of strengths & talents in any population makes them better able to deal with a range of issues. (Similar things apply of course to the workplace, education etc.) Many abilities come hand in hand with a shortcoming. People who are good at responding to sudden change (eg some ADHEDers) aren’t always good at long term planning. People who are very good at planning don’t adapt well to change. (Eg some autistic folk.) Some people are great at admin, poor with managing people. Some are great at problem solving physical obstacles, but not more abstract issues. And so the list goes on. I imagine that chiefs of prehistoric tribes would have had a council of elders with varying abilities to respond to a range of issues, such as aggressive neighbours, natural disasters, tensions within the tribe etc.
Some neurotypical people aren’t particularly good at anything, and I’m guessing the same goes for some neurodivergent people. (But some people, for various reasons play down or fail to recognise their strengths.) But society needs “ordinary” people too.
I think neurodivergence is probably an adaptive thing for the species in general, because it provides for a broader range of abilities at various levels. The downside is that when those abilities aren’t recognised, it’s easy for neurodivergence to be seen from a deficit perspective.
When a neurotypical person isn’t good at sport, as an example, we don’t automatically start looking for all the other things they aren’t good at, determinedly overlooking anything they’re ok or better at. That’s because we don’t regard a lack of sporting/athletic ability as an indicator that there’s something awfully wrong with them. . (I’m sure that does happen occasionally within some very sporty families.)
But the ways in which ND people are different and which might sometimes be a source of inconvenience or worse for them or others around them, are often seen through a totally negative lens. We have lists of all of the things that might be “wrong” with a neurodivergent people, instead of a list of potential differences, including skills & talents.
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Poloniousmonk
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It's about power and control. Not reality. It's about creating hate, both self- and otherwise.
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in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •Can tell you that some of us are unable to read very long texts as it is over whelming and beyond our range of depth of short term answers and our age group on social media or other scopes ...
But think have the gist of what was pointed at ..
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I'm very good at remembering visuals, but I am terrible at remembering words. Abilities unrecognized by most, seen as a deficit for word retention failures.
My parents even had me go to several hearing tests across my life, my hearing was measured as fine.
Something's wrong with me, my parents believed I had problems since I was two, didnt speak til I was four, but I could draw a tree and rainbow
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Bernie Pridefully Does It
in reply to Aaron • • •@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed And yet, pseudo-autism is a thing.
neurolaunch.com/what-is-pseudo…
Understanding Pseudo Autism: Key Insights
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •Pseudo-stupidity must be a thing, too.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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Again, I want to argue with the whole premise - but I honestly think some people close to me have it backwards, and I guess they think I do. It's complicated but I got a kid that I think is measuring themselves against me, but they've decided or been told I'm some rough angry dude I never was, so they think I'm normal and they can't understand me, so THEY must be Autistic. I'm having a Hell of a time talking to this kid, they have a lot invested in this and there's no room for me and my first hand knowledge about my life. Frustrating, to say the least.
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But our story seems bizarre, hardly some "syndrome," or anything.
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in reply to Aaron • • •oh boy, sounds like you have the same difficulties as me, Auditory Processing issues, I havent been formally diagnosed but from my perspective, I cannot focus on sounds, like most people can focus on voices.
If there is any noise around, or they have a thick accent or they slur... I struggle to understand the words. I cant filter sounds, I hear everything.
Car drives by while someone is talking to me, cant understand a word. In the back seat, going over a noisy road, cant understand
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •This spectrum has so many differences and would be the same as ADHD as an adult be told there is no cure and one would have put things in place thru growth to help getting thru life ...
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in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •And an additional people-chosen problem is when I ask for someone to repeat themselves, they get angry refuse or who knows what, I get insulted...
come on people, be ok with repeating, eesh.
I miss one word and the whole lesson from the teacher can be missed. I rasie my hand to ask her to repeat, but she doesnt call on me for several sentences. I'm hanging on to my question so I cannot intake any words.
Frustrating across my life!
Aaron
in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •Aaron
Unknown parent • • •@dhfir @GreenRoc Same for me. 😀
And yeah, gargantuan thread. Sorry... These things happen.
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Unknown parent • • •Ashley
in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •okay yeah that is there.
Ashley
in reply to Aaron • • •Looking for explanations…
in reply to Aaron • • •Shaman, wise ones, witches etc.
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •Yes… whereas I can go on & on & on…
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in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •Depends on whether I’m having a more focussed ADHD day.
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Moriel
in reply to Green Roc Thoughts • • •Same for me. Like, I can hardly ever understand what people say to me in a crowd, even if they are right next to me and speaking loudly. It's worse if they have a high pitched voice, because then it blends in with all the other random noise of the world.
Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻 🇨🇦
in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •@Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed
I agree that it is most likely a natural diversity thing, but I could see it potentially being partly developmental too. Say like, a trait that normally occurs x% of the time, but under certain environmental pressures can occur more often. Like how some species adapt to environmental changes by changing their ratio of sexes (but in this case developmentally, not changed at any time).
But yeah, we're definitely part of the normal diversity. I have a theory I'm playing with on our role in it.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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I was a stutterer and I’ve always been a mumbler, they can’t hear me is the first complaint, before they can’t understand me. I hadn’t thought much about my ears, but I should, my musical ear is sure a problem.
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed Ok, it's not a great article. I should have spent more time looking for a better one.
Full disclosure: my partner's acquaintance's kid is diagnosed with that condition. Well, they used a name I like much less, but of all the names I've seen for it I like pseudo-autism the best. I've seen pictures of the kid in question and know her name, but have never met her so I'm not in a position to give my own take.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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This is one of my rants, the drain everything goes towards.
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The world, the NT, are creationist to the bone. When they heard about evolution, they made it one of their creation stories, another in the genre, something that happened a long time ago and made us what we are now and forever.
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They think evolution takes a long time, like we adapt to things that happened thousands of years of years ago but not today, and as you suggested, or said, what’s the point in that?
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in reply to Looking for explanations… • • •some days or moments 500 letters can be not enough here also
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in reply to Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻 🇨🇦 • • •The clash of many different things ends up with many a different result whether wanted or not ...
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in reply to Aaron • • •As they say one gets to live another day when you learn something new ... thanks for the new word to me and yes very much so as to the WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN and HOW things get handled ...
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed
All events can have different challenges to what end results are and or what timelines they can be dealt with all be different depending on so many things... sad thing is there are those who rely upon the money they can make from someone's debilation of events ...
Last encounter was at $200 per hour to see if I was on the right track many years ago ...am not afraid of challenging myself ...
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •Sad thing is no one wants to be associated with others who may show that they themselves may have same affliction known more in the mental circle or association... when there is nothing wrong ...
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in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •@BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed
Am thinking those who do not speak till ready for many years are observing, learning from those around themselves as too how to be safe within circles ...
So from silence and observation to extreme curiosity and being vocal or diving straight into subject matter one would be more careful of comes the difference of what and how one learns what is known to them and the results it brings ...
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed .
What does acronym NT mean ??
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in reply to Aaron • • •All depends on what one chooses to believe or is mentally capable of doing so .. why the world is where it is .
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •@Lstn2urmama @punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed Neurotypical (which is probably not exactly a *thing*, but I prefer that to the kind of people who insists that they're "normal").
Basically people without mental health issues or neurological ... things (so someone who's not autistic, doesn't have ADHD, doesn't have PTSD, isn't bipolar, doesn't suffer psychotic breaks, etc)
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in reply to Aaron • • •All comes from a state of mind
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in reply to Antonius Marie ⚧ • • •Sorry that expands even further than subject here and could go on for years ...
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in reply to Aaron • • •@punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed
I know and we are on one of the deepest subjects that afflicts mankind and why some get rich from sitting in their chairs just listening to see where ones mind has directed themselves ... when is capable of getting there all by themselves ...
I learned that for everything we think or do there are these points that can be used to get there...
WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN HOW GOOD or EVIL ...
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I've never understood the point of the character limitation. It made some sense in the early days of Twitter when it was necessary in order to support texting, but that hasn't been a thing for ages.
Our character limit here at TootCat is... well, I'm told you can see it with a good telescope.
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Unknown parent • • •I call that GREED...
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in reply to Woozle Hypertwin • • •Here it seems to vary as from 200 to 500 on some days .. a lack of consistency ..it boggles my mind when some are able to write a whole chapter or a small story here ... or the auto stupid interferes with its context and word changes or actually is very uneducated guesses
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Unknown parent • • •@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Something they don't like to advertise: Most of the heritable genes for autism increase ability in academic domains, and thus increase IQ scores. Only the de novo (out of the blue, not inherited) mutations have negative effects on cognition. This flies in the face of the eugenicist messaging implicit in IQ scoring and other forms of ableism.
thetransmitter.org/spectrum/au…
» Autism-linked genetic variants increase, decrease intelligence
www.thetransmitter.orgLstn2urmama 🇨🇦
in reply to Aaron • • •Well has something to do with being INDIVIDUALS 🤫
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in reply to Aaron • • •@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Every human being (up to identical twins) represents a specific evolutionary experiment, a unique combination of genes, each of which confers a multitude of positive and negative influences. It gets even more complicated when you start considering *interactions* between those variants, where the presence of each gene strengthens, weakens, or even inverts the effect of other genes.
We are all, every human being alive, at the cutting edge of evolution. And each of us is tested for evolutionary fitness in a unique setting, not some universal test for fitness. There is no uberman. There is no such thing as genetic superiority. The concept isn't even well-defined. Ableism is a fundamentally flawed concept at its very root.
As if that weren't enough, why the hell do we care what course evolution has set for us? What about the course *we* set for ourselves? We can decide what is good. We don't need evolution for that.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Needing to input here.
I was born in 1957. I was colicky and my mother had no intention of breast feeding which was popular back then. I hated formula so my mother got the brilliant idea somewhere to feed me diluted jello water. I lived for my initial 9 months of my life on sugar and horse hoof gelatin. Did that cause my autism or was I autistic coming in. This will be forever unknown.
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in reply to EarthMomma • • •@LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed
This tells me YOU ARE A SURVIVOR with abilities unknown to many a human being .. have capabilities to be someone beyond many just differently ... Do own research on your needs and replenish them for a long life ...
Some of us are beyond or below what is considered normal ...🙏
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in reply to EarthMomma • • •This is not "my" pic but illustrates how infants were treated by the 50's. This was the norm back then. Formula was just invented and was said to be better than breast milk so mothers stopped breast feeding and started doing THIS...
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in reply to EarthMomma • • •I was very ill a few years ago and all I lived on was boiled eggs and watermelon and my meds for 6 months as covid shut down everything before able to get help mostly needed or dieing ...
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Our bodies are so amazing and technical and magical.
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We are more resilent than we give ourselves credit for ... have challenged self to having tested that all ones needs to eat to be satisfied with is 3 tablespoons of food at anytime ... not these big meals ...just maybe more often ...
We must remember where we came from all they had was fruit and grains with some meat...
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Yeah.
But the veterinarians all talk about that first breastfeed and the colostrum and the life long immunity problems when the cows miss it. That's why it's still preferred, and I think they never even considered it for me or my sibs either.
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I actually do know this to be true. I was born autistic. I have always been "different" and although I didnt know what I was, was autistic until recently... I love the me that I am. I see how other people are so shallow and dont get to see the beauty of the planet that I witness all day every day. My focus is completely different. I can do the real world if I have to but I prefer my peaceful interior to almost anything else. I have always felt particularly protected as well. The beautiful planet provides for me just what I need.
And funny enough, Im healthy and for the most part, Ive always been healthy.
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Unknown parent • • •Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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😈 💜
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Unknown parent • • •We are born whom we are .. but it is up to us to further our knowledge and life reactions to what we learn and how we use it with guidance from parents or others
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
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They lie like two year olds, like they don't know there's a real world, they don't know there's people who already know, or that we can easily check, it's bloody amazing 😲
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Animal husbandry is considered a different thing all together and is more dicy
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Unknown parent • • •@jeanoappleseed @Tooden @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama
> I was able to go to university. It was extremely hard.
I bombed out near the end despite being a National Merit Scholar and having a completely free ride, not because I couldn't hack it academically, but because I couldn't hack it *socially*. I didn't even know I was disabled yet, but had I known, there would have been no support. I couldn't even get proper support for my severe suicidal tendencies during that period of my life. I ended up homeless for a time. The system fails us *badly*.
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed @VulcanTourist @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama I doubt it's even a "they". Probably just a bot posting under their names to generate lots of content and gather clicks.
Who cares if it harms real human beings, right? /s
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Unknown parent • • •I would rather have my belief in someone who actually has experience within the subject matter and doing my own research with help from others ...
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Unknown parent • • •also as an adult one has put own management of situations and has been told we do not get same treatment as youth do or at all ...
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in reply to Poloniousmonk • • •I say "(out as)" not because I think a lot of us are faking or anything, but because I'm sure there are more allistic people who *want* to transition than there are that do
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in reply to Aaron • • •Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
Unknown parent • • •I've spent my life trying to figure out Allistic people, and I'm afraid I have and the news is not uplifting.
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I mean, I can't say, "These are our traits and these are theirs, because even we don't seem to all think like I do, but the difference between Me and Allistic people is that their bottom line is this "strength," they are sure they need to be battle ready at all times, and also, the penny dropped on this one reading #TheDawnOfEverything when they gave me the word, "actuarial," meaning of or pertaining to, "a sense of what sort of world you create with your behaviour and your policies and laws," and the causality of human affairs - which the North Americans of the Haudenaussee Confederacy found the European invaders lacking in. In my mind, they have "deterrents," and punishments where they need psychology and evolution - I find a deterrent to be a threat and a cause of all bad things, and the whole theory of a deterrent is the opposite of evolution, you are to get more civilized because... show more
I've spent my life trying to figure out Allistic people, and I'm afraid I have and the news is not uplifting.
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I mean, I can't say, "These are our traits and these are theirs, because even we don't seem to all think like I do, but the difference between Me and Allistic people is that their bottom line is this "strength," they are sure they need to be battle ready at all times, and also, the penny dropped on this one reading #TheDawnOfEverything when they gave me the word, "actuarial," meaning of or pertaining to, "a sense of what sort of world you create with your behaviour and your policies and laws," and the causality of human affairs - which the North Americans of the Haudenaussee Confederacy found the European invaders lacking in. In my mind, they have "deterrents," and punishments where they need psychology and evolution - I find a deterrent to be a threat and a cause of all bad things, and the whole theory of a deterrent is the opposite of evolution, you are to get more civilized because of a constant threat of violence, this is not causality and it lacks any actuarial sense.
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They NEED their viziers and whatnot. Badly.
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in reply to Aaron • • •@raphaelmorgan @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed
Yeah. That's our weakness--social learning.
We got some crazy strengths to offset that, though.
Not least the bravery to walk our own path in a conformist world.
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in reply to Morgan ⚧️ • • •cam.ac.uk/research/news/autist…
FWIW
The idea that autism "causes" trans is a persistent myth...
Autistic individuals are more likely to be LGBTQ+
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in reply to Morgan ⚧️ • • •Also, the whole honesty thing. Once we've seen a truth about ourselves, it's far harder for us to deny it, or shy away from it.
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Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦
in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Power to you for your extent of research.. but for some of us the day to day nature of dealing with our own aspect of what we have to deal with is more than enough ...
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in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •@Dianora @raphaelmorgan @Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Because clearly anything non-normative must be a disease, as we all know. /s
I wish people could get on board with the whole live-and-let-live thing already.
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in reply to Aaron • • •I think shrinks are on board with that but most people are not. Everyone must fit a peg.
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in reply to Aaron • • •@Dianora @raphaelmorgan @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed
"Live and let live" seems to be a uniquely autistic thing.
It's that social mind thing. Besides being able to learn gender roles an' shit from each other, normies have to be all up in our shit demanding we conform.
You can't give a pack animal a mind.
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Poloniousmonk
in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •All joking aside--it'll take time.
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Looking for explanations…
in reply to Aaron • • •Agreed. Possible maybe in some societies more open to different ways of being, but uncommon. I’m guessing that in ancient societies, too much energy was needed to deal with common but serious threats.
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Unknown parent • • •@Lstn2urmama @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed
Oh, no! You were a victim of fluoroquinones -- like cipro?
I try to warn people from time to time about the dangers of these antibiotics for anyone with joint hypermobility.
eds.clinic/articles/ehlers-dan…
"These antibiotics can cause tendonitis, tendon rupture, and potentially life-threatening conditions such as aortic aneurysm and dissection. This is especially concerning for individuals with underlying connective tissue disorders."
Scary stuff! My brother was a victim. He had to have a tendon surgically repaired in his thumb after a tendon ruptured. Thankfully, it was something that *could* be repaired!
#cipro
#antibiotics
#EhlersDanlos
#EDS
#DoubleJointed
@actuallyautistic
@eds
Medications to avoid with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome: Fluoroquinolones | The EDS Clinic
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Morgan ⚧️
in reply to Dianora (Diane Bruce) • • •For the record though, I wasn't saying autism causes us to be trans. I was saying it might give trans people the self reflection to realize it and/or the courage to socially transition
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in reply to Aaron • • •@raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed
Read Attachment please ...
Green Roc Thoughts
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Unknown parent • • •Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦
Unknown parent • • •TRUE and protection at some point is part of the equation ...
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in reply to Aaron • • •I get it .. tried to go back to school but could not handle small room and ALL THE NOISES... within ...
Most of my jobs have been in solitude as have been in jobs were constant noises were debilating ...
Now have no radio or other noise factors other than keyboard and outside noises are more than enough to handle and have a rhythm to them ...
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in reply to Aaron • • •Aaron
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in reply to Ashley • • •@dhfir @pathfinder @skiles @raphaelmorgan @EVDHmn @Dianora @jeanoappleseed @MissGayle
Do you realize the incredible bravery it takes to identify as "an absolute coward"?
Let alone "confused as shit".
The raw honesty here is Diogenean.
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sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
in reply to Aaron • • •@Lstn2urmama @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
Azithromycin, aka, Zithromax, should also be avoided as it also causes tendon damage. That's one of the most recent discoveries. It is very possible that it does more damage than is known.
It does adversely affect the gut biome. Recovery from that is often rapid but not always and not guaranteed at all.
I suspect neurological effects as well but I can't get anyone to listen. I get cut off very quickly.
Azithromycin is just thrown at pretty much any infection, including fungal, and molds such as aspergillis, for which it is pretty useless. Sometimes it does not work on other infections and a second course is prescribed, which accelerates the damage done.
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in reply to Morgan ⚧️ • • •@raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed
SOME of us were kept on some antibotics daily for years .. because of unknown factors.. hence where the malpractice point comes in or we are ignored for what we have told doctors ...
MY scars come from Healthcare ...
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
in reply to Aaron • • •I had ciprofloxacin to deal with something--I forgot what, it was probably the aspergillis infection--and it immediately caused seizures that were mediated with benadryl IV. Not even a week after finishing, I had injuries occur that should not have happened, like tendon pain just from opening a door, That progressed to more severe tendon injuries. It seems to have caused other problems as well... I made a list somewhere... I have not taken it since but that has not stopped injuries from continuing.
@Lstn2urmama @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic @eds
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦
in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •@sasutina13 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
Azithromycin was a godsend for me after being sick with something effecting my breathing for 5 weeks and it worked great ... even if doctor will not prescribe again
Have had covid 3 times and this last one lasted for over a year thus far still leaving residual effects ... with NO treatments / not left home since September.. but is slightly better and looking forward to getting away from here different scenery .
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in reply to Poloniousmonk • • •Agreed.
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sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •@Lstn2urmama From what I understand, bendy people are much more vulnerable to damage from azithromycin.
I am bendy and so are my siblings and parents. I'm not quite Gumby, though.
@hosford42 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic @eds
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in reply to Aaron • • •Thanks for this.
I'm on a long run of antibiotics for a tropical skin thing, and am EDS.
Looks like I'm safe. Whew.
Jo-chin up, elbows up.
in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •My autism is on borderline of what diagnostic criteria would call autism, but I see myself in other autistics. it is 100% autism. Since birth. I had many burnouts from being undiagnosed & uncared for, with no support, & those traits became a bit more visible to me with my trauma responses. PTSD = autistic burnout. The autism came first & trauma came bc of it.
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •@Lstn2urmama
I wonder about what your infection was. There are so many antibiotic resistant bacteria now. And of course, fungi and mold do not respond much, if at all, to antibiotics.
Too many doctors will not test for aspergillis infection, even when the symptoms indicate it it very likely. And by the time someone does test, it has become embedded in bone and can be removed only by removing the infected bone.
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •@sasutina13 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
No doctor visits at the covid time allowed only over the phone and drugs delivered to home ... even my surgery was only available to me when illness was about to stage end after a year and organ failure was imminent...
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •Also, if we are safely within our comfort zones, many of us can appear normalish. If something happens to contract those zones, burnout, or outside factors, then our ability to function becomes far more moot. It's only an appearance that our autism is worse.
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in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •@JoBlakely
Pretty much the same. I realised recently that everyone pretty much gave up on me. Not that I fault them, cos I was a handful and nobody knew much if anything about autism.
I had to basically fend for myself, and learn social stuff on my own. I made a shipton of mistakes.
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •@sasutina13 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
Knees here would go painfully backwards just trying to walk/ could not ride a bike till I was 20/ could have fingers pulled halfway back when young till arthritis took over ... I used to be able to do advanced yoga when was not supposed to be able to do so/ never mind normal yoga
Have been told am hyper mobile after attempting to get genetics tests when were not done ... I used to be able to touch floor with wrists
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sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐
in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •I had real problems with waking and such. I learned pretty quickly to avoid bending the wrong way. Didn't always succeed.
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •.
Same, I guess they gave up trying to talk to me and just nodded and smiled for however many decades 💜
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •@sasutina13 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
Here is something I remembered ... Nowadays unable to ride a normal bike as hips and legs do not sit in right position to reach pedals ... they are much forward ND pedals too far back...
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in reply to Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦 • • •@Lstn2urmama @sasutina13 @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed @eds
You might want to look into Ehlers-danlos syndrome. It's a common co-morbidity with autism.
ehlers-danlos.com/assessing-jo…
Assessing Joint Hypermobility - The Ehlers Danlos Society
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in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •@sasutina13
I read and learn by research of many an action even for different cultures ...
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Unknown parent • • •@sasutina13
I projected my own honesty, kindness, good faith onto others who did not deserve it. The same way awful people project awful things onto innocent people.
I was blinded by my own light.
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in reply to Aaron • • •It's definitely better, just not always possible for all mothers. Sensory issues, milk drying up, there are a number of reasons why not, that should in no way reflect badly on the mother.
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
Wow, that's spot on.
Brilliant, no pun intended. 💜
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •Puns are always intended! They are doubly intended.
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in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •@JoBlakely
"blinded by my own light" pretty much sums it up for me as well.And I also projected goodness and kindness on anyone, though not all did not deserve it. I did that for so long. Even after being assaulted, which I blamed myself for, naturally. Then I went through a period in the opposite extreme of distrust and cynicism. I am pretty messed up...still...
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in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
"serendipitous pun," then 😀
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💜
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Jo-chin up, elbows up.
in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •It’s hard, because for such a long time we were visible prey to predators without realizing we looked any different. Even when we knew we were different than others in some ways we struggled defining.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
I thought I was breaking cycles, doing everything every kids' story tells you to do, telling the truth, being good . . . I'm not bragging, I may have in the past, but now I understand that was the easy way for me to be, the only way for me to be - so are NT masking to us when they parrot these ideals and morals? Are all their religious and moral rules really ours, and they're just going through the motions?
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in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •@JoBlakely Yes. The guilt is persistent, amost constant. Guiltier than a Catholic.. I read a blog called "My Fault, I'm Female" some time ago. Women posted stories about being blamed for, well, pretty much anything.
They can see us coming from around the corner, it seems.
It has made me quite a bit less social. It definitely made me far less trusting.
It was much like looking in the mirror. @BernieDoesIt @hosford42 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts
Yes. Exactly. It was the only way for me to be. I hate the term, bc it pathologizes integrity but someone autistic called it ‘moral OCD’ when for me it’s just living in integrity with the ideas of how a person should be and was taught. I am deeply uncomfortable with anything that goes against my morals. I set high standards but they aren’t hard to meet. I don’t get what’s so hard for others.
@sasutina13 @BernieDoesIt @hosford42 @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
we gotta listen to them preach, but we're to be ridiculed if we believe it, straight up.
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And yes, in every other context it's "Who's a Criminal?<" but when it's us, it's "Who's too stupid to be a Criminal?" 💜
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Aaron • • •.
my latest take, extreme as fuck, is that they simply never learn anything or change their minds about anything, nothing ACTUALLY matters to them, everything, is, yeah, but (but whatever I want to think), right?
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My main one: sure, evolution - but really, Human Nature, amirite? But EVERYTHING is like that, they haven't learned a new idea since the Bronze Age.
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I'm sorry, but . . .
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in reply to Aaron • • •Wow. I’m sorry. That’s just bullshit from whoever that was. Sticking up for someone should never require apologetics. And autism isn’t the only reason. It’s because you saw it was right to do, and your integrity wouldn’t allow you to bystand. Your autism makes you more aware, caring, sensitive, and courageous, & more likely to speak up esp. on behalf of others…
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in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •They attacked bc their ego & sense of superiority was knocked bc you showed them up, shamed them by doing the right thing.
I had someone rage at me when I stuck up for someone too…bc they weren’t the one to do it. They couldn’t stand that it made them feel inferior, when they have a need to feel better than.
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in reply to Aaron • • •Those who have been judged at for wrong reason see what happens to others ...
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Unknown parent • • •@punishmenthurts
I read that the slap was typically backhanded to humiliate & demonstrate dominance over a lower ranked person. Turning the other cheek shows you are unbothered, not humiliated & they would have to use an open hand now, which would signify Jesus as an equal. Jesus sees himself as an equal. Regardless of the insult & attempt at dominance that slap intended.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_…
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phrase from the Sermon on the Mount in Christian doctrine
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
Well that's not nearly as good, is it 😈
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in reply to Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama • • •@punishmenthurts
It’s better, bc it’s both good things at once.
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Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •.
meh, I don't get it. It's supposed to be this massive teaching, everybody knows it, but it's about the formalities preceding a fight or a lawsuit?
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DGMW, I've never read my idea anywhere, it's just my obsession, No Punishment, and I only care what Jesus said, if he was agreeing with me. LOL.
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Pretty much nobody in history ever said "No Punishment."
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Lstn2urmama 🇨🇦
in reply to sasutina13a 🇨🇦 🇪🇺 🇯🇵 🌐 • • •I was attacked once on the job and looked over my shoulder for a week or 2 but got over it by talking to myself as am my own best competition... READ ATTACHMENT PLEASE
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Bernie Pridefully Does It
Unknown parent • • •@jeanoappleseed I can see that you have strong opinions about this topic. Please try to remember that it's not my theory. I learned about it in class and hyperfixated on it for a few hours a few weeks ago partially because I had heard of sometime with it but mostly because it had something to do with autism.
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Bernie Pridefully Does It
in reply to Bernie Pridefully Does It • • •@jeanoappleseed There are a few names that show up in research papers about it a lot. I can get you their name and academic affiliations if you want to talk about it with someone who knows a lot more about it than I do.
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Bernie Pridefully Does It
in reply to Jo-chin up, elbows up. • • •ActuallyAutistic group reshared this.
Goiterzan/Amygdalai Lama
in reply to Miss Gayle • • •Sensitive content
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No, I mean everyone, in regard to themselves. I’m speaking from an asexual place, I guess, but y’all are obsessed with sexual matters. Even as the world burns from completely non-sexual things going on, everybody’s gender and genitals are their whole universe, their first and prime subject.
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“I’m straight,” I’m queer,” I don’t care what you do with your genitals, who did you vote for, how do you raise your kids? A world of spanking and war and all they want to talk about is who they’re screwing. LOL. 😈💜😀
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