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I am an adult. I’m short, yes, but this is ridiculous. The hood on this truck is higher than my shoulder. It forms in 90° angle with the ground. hideous! There’s no way they could see me in the crosswalk.

They were double parked. Even with the engine off it felt unsafe to walk in front of this thing. I would be so embarrassed to drive a car like this if I were not … plowing snow?

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Okay I've lived in like, rural small town / mini cities for most of my life so I've seen monstrosities like that a lot, but what is that thing doing IN THE CITY???
in reply to Abyssal Rook

@AbyssalRook
🤠 YEEEEEEEEHAAAAWWW
Once a symbol of rural grit, the presence of the best-selling pickup truck in a song may now mean something else.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I keep saying it:
Ban them. Outright ban.
Fronts of cars/trucks/buses/lorries... need to be regulated to be designed with pedestrian safety as 99% of the priorities. Including how big the direct lines of sight are, and to do away with the kill zones where drivers can't see.
in reply to Gurre Vildskägg

Yes, this means the new USPS trucks are about what the fronts of anything big should look like. Including the very visible position of the driver.

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in reply to Gurre Vildskägg

i need to preface that i agree with you 1,000%

i just can't get over how fussy and grumpy they look 😆

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in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@benroyce
ah, but we solve that by banning car fronts that look angry, predatory, annoyed, grumpy, and/or aggressive.

actually... yeah. Neutral, happy, or friendly "faces", and duckbilled fronts with huge windows so everyone sees eachother.
Might make road rage go down?

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

Cab-over can be cheerful without that duckbill look

Commercial cab-over still too big, but there are boxy lil things trying it

They look as if there’s less crumple protection but their advocates say it’s equal, as you now don’t need to be protected from your own engine . Dunno, but it’s testable!

@benroyce @Gurre @futurebird

in reply to Gurre Vildskägg

@Gurre

This mail truck is cute, but I think it will be annoying to have to keep shooing people who will sit on it like a bench when you park it away.

I guess if you start it up they might go?

Do electric cars have a start up sound?

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Just a couple of months ago an old lady in her 80s was killed next to where I work because she walked over a crosswalk by a roundabout in front of a truck. The truck driver couldn't see her (presumably) and just started driving when the roundabout was clear. It's bad enough that trucks have this issue. At least trucks have a purpose. These cars have none. They should be banned on the road everywhere.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I remember when I was a kid, they were starting to bring in snub-nosed schoolbuses because of how dangerous it was that drivers couldn’t see children walking in front of the old long-nosed models. Now basically *all* buses are like that—but yet somehow, 40 years on, we’ve normalized these monstrosities.

They should be illegal.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

never see these plowing snow - too fancy, and too long, and terrible visibility.

Large commercial driveway clearing companies use smallish agricultural tractors with a snowblower attachment.

Small independent operations use an old, short box regular cab truck from the 90's or earlier. Easy to maneuver, and cheap to repair.

After 1 season, everything plastic on the outside of that will be broken. Clients aren't happy if you plow the rosebushes into the garage door.

in reply to John Francis 🦫🇨🇦🍁💪⬆️

@johnefrancis

I've seen pickups described as the modern version of the huge 70s "personal luxury coupe" and thought that was just perfect. The size serves no purpose other than, massaging the driver's ego.

@futurebird

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

The box could at most push out a pile and get stuck in it. The fake jewellery would be crushed in the process. Too fat to move.
The Trum is ridiculous and dangerous to others.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I remember a time when blind spots on cars were specific odd angles behind the driver - not the entire field of view directly in front of them where they're supposed to be looking while driving the vehicle...
in reply to myrmepropagandist

The city really should be leading the charge on pedestrian safety standards in the same way that California is doing with emissions standards

They should not be street legal here (maybe with a CDL) and should be towed any time one is seen whose owner did not register it to prove they have a CDL or if they are parked even a little bit illegally.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

These trucks should require a CDL license, yearly DOT physical, and $2M liability insurance for every pedestrian
in reply to myrmepropagandist

And if you wait for the driver, you'll find out he's even shorter than you.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

A new trend needs to emerge where it’s cool to point & laugh at the drivers. Nobody *needs* to drive one of those outside of *very* rural areas.

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in reply to Michal Bryxí

@MichalBryxi

I already do this. Likewise for the jerks who drive fast down neighborhood streets in sportscars, blare bass, or otherwise pathetically seek attention. It's gross. We are all human. We all matter. None of us matters more than the others, and none of us *needs* to matter more than the others. People like that are broadcasting their insecurities and selfishness, and making life miserable or dangerous for everyone else in the process. They need to grow up, for everyone's sake, including themselves.

But I live in a country where it's so commonplace that we elected the worst of them all -- the neediest, most insecure, and least mature person we could find -- to build expensive anachronistic palatial ballrooms and decorate everything with gold spray-painted trinkets.

@futurebird

in reply to myrmepropagandist

and the US government wants to force those monsters also into Europe, where they are not allowed as of now
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It's kinda like owning a giant dog that you can't control... It makes _you_ feel safer.

I guess.

I dunno. I don't own a giant dog that I can't control or a giant truck that I can't control.

I'm not even sure it's ego that moves people to buy these things... I think it might actually be _fear_, as counter-intuitive as that might sound.

in reply to Matt Hall

@401matthall

Until it mauls your kid.

That’s who gets hit most often— kids in driveways.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

There … you know, should be a law about this. <long digital sigh>
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Last year in stopped traffic a large truck like that had a small sports car right in front of him. When it started to move he forgot they were there and smashed right into them.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I once saw a short adult woman use a portable stepladder to get up into such a vehicle.
in reply to EndicottRoad59

@EndicottAuthor
Weirdly I see them all the time with disability parking permits. If you can't walk a few feet to the door, why do you need a vehicle you literally have to climb in and out of?
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It just the mainstream trucknuts coming up to speed from when they were made to feel so small on the 2000s. Imagine coming out of a diner to find a pair of these sidled up to your prius "because they can." bringatrailer.com/listing/2006…
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It’s also why no self respecting European would ever want to own something g the same size as a panzer tank
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Once I stood in front of one of these trucks (parked). I only come up to the wheels. It keeps going on and on
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I got rear ended by one of these almost a year ago because he pulled up behind me at a light, lost my ENTIRE CAR in his blindspot, and forgot I was there. Light turned green and he went before I did.

I flinch a little every time I see one in my rear view mirror now.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I'm visiting Mexico, and they have little mini pickups and I love them. One of those massive Rams or F150s wouldn't make it around the tiny streets and sharp turns.

Where I live everyone drives these massive trucks, pretending to be a cowboy. They are really babymen.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

uggh, there’s nothing positive about these things. Posturing and a feeling of safety for the operator but otherwise dangerous for everyone
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I think snowplows have better forward visibility than that truck does.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Yeah I'm going to start calling these vehicles trucks instead of cars.
in reply to Truls

@truls46 @kurio tanks have a better forward viewing angle, you're more likely to see a shorter person or kid in front of you while driving an M1 Abrams.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

i view these massive trucks, massive SUVs, as a parallel to american gun culture

this zero sum, absolutely psychotic need for overpower. carrying around a handgun, because "the guy with a knife." when more have handguns, you "need" to carry around an AK-47, etc, etc, all the way to "i need my own nuclear bomb"

the parallel "logic" with tank cars is that in an accident, the other sap dies, not you in your tank

(better road safety and gun control is never considered by psychos)

in reply to Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

@benroyce And that's why I have a tac nuke in my living room. No need to aim it. And it makes a great coffee table!
in reply to myrmepropagandist

it's an Emotional Support Vehicle for the insecure and inept with more money than sense
in reply to myrmepropagandist

apologies for sounding like a European, and a European who lives in a car-free city to boot, but,

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING

JUST ABSOLUTELY NO

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I know that they were designed and marketed towards customers who feel insecure and inadequate, but this feeds into the idea that the potential for violence makes a person more powerful. It's obviously a way to make them feel like they could run over people, especially protestors, but its much more likely they will hit an everyday pedestrian. Don't they worry they will hit a child? You couldn't possibly see anyone close to the front of that ramming vehicle. It should be illegal. It's inherently dangerous.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Is it okay for me now to say that I hate such vehicles?

It feels like they are built for people (especially "men" (boys)) who wants to be biggest, better, best over all. I tend to watch American dashcam videos on YouTube and most of them who road rage use big trucks. Some of them even pulls out a weapon like a gun or a baseball bat.

I saw a video on TikTok before TikTok became a popular platform for religious extremists (for an example flat earthers) and other idiots. That video shows an American male living in Sweden and he lists top 3 or 5 he miss the most from USA. The first one that he missed the most was "big, fat trucks" :unamused:

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in reply to Aaron

Yes, you need to. Or better yet, let them move to 1 place where all "bigger, better, best over all" trucker lovers can thrive. And don't let any police go near that place to see if they can handle it.

Am I too dark?

in reply to myrmepropagandist

too tall to see pedestrians == too tall to see pedestrians spiking their tires
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It's a commercial vehicle, so at least it most likely has a justifiable use. It's still unsafe & I hope the driver is trained to be aware of the blind spot.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

The owner certainly bitches about gas prices. Also, cue up Randy Newman Rednecks.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruE…
in reply to myrmepropagandist

the only item these huge chunks of metal are designed to transport are fragile male egos. 🤷🏻
in reply to myrmepropagandist

A few years ago, I walked across on intersection and the girl in a suburban one of those really large ones from five or seven years ago was in it. She could barely see over the dashboard.

A cussed her out for nearly running me over. It’s all forms of stupidity..

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I don't think it could ever be understated how much of a problem these are.

A lot of police departments have moved to large SUVs with frontends like this. I was rear-ended by a cop in my small car because I disappeared under his hood at a stop sign and he thought I had made my turn.

There was a crosswalk there. It was right next to the police station, too, which was across the street from an apartment building where children live.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

These make little sense where road conditions or loads do not require them. I live rurally, where hilly muddy dirt roads are ubiquitous, and high snows make low clearance vehicles useless. We are a low traffic area where walkers and horses and loose dogs and chickens are not uncommon.

But a large vehicle in an urban area is an unnecessary liability for all.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

In my fairly large sample size seeing these trucks roaming around my area over the years (not including fleet/work trucks from businesses), almost none of them were actually hauling anything meaningfully large (if anything at all) and only had 1 person inside driving it. Which unfortunately confirms my theory that people mostly only buy these just as a "stand out" commuter vehicle and for the one time in it's life it might actually get used for a legitimate practical reason.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

The grotesqueness of this is so a big part of the america I live in and hate.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

although we are not plagued by large vehicles in the UK to the extent you are in theue US, they are becoming a problem here

The common view here is still that those (usually men) who drive the larger vehicles in towns and cities are clearly over compensating for something

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I watched a similar SUV park recently. The spot was so tight that the wife had to get out before the parking and the husband had to crawl out the back. No regard for the cars they parked between obviously.
in reply to Olaf Kock

@olafk

This is very cute but I think the snow we get when we do get snow (which isn't often, but still) well it would eat this little car.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

this one is mainly used on pedestrian paths, where adjacent house owners are supposed to plow snow (and sometimes book a service like this)

The city, for the streets, has proper heavy duty vehicles

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Not a Musk fan but banning the Cyber truck in the UK because panel radius’s didn’t conform seems weird.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Tires are really expensive if they need to be changed for whatever damage they are exposed to 😇
in reply to myrmepropagandist

"SUPER DUTY"

more like super dooty

TBF I have noticed they have commercial plates, but they were still double parked on a NYC residential street. Just don't ever do that.

in reply to llewelly

@llewelly

"SUPER DUTY"

Is so ... child-like. Doesn't any of this trigger any feelings of embarrassment?

I'm going to put: "UBER SHELPPER" on my shopping cart.

in reply to llewelly

@llewelly

I legit do not know what "super duty" is supposed to mean at all? What are they trying to say?

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@llewelly

probably a means to make a lot of bullshit claims about what a unnecessarily gigantic truck can do.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Maybe the car was built to cope with an extreme pedestrians / area quotient.

It's nothing personal, it's just their duty.™

@llewelly

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Basically "super duty" means it should be able to handle more than "light duty trucks", they apparently have heavier-duty chassis components that allow for heavier payloads and towing capabilities, above other Ford F-series trucks. Apart from that, it's a marketing play on the US truck classification (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_cl…).
@llewelly
in reply to myrmepropagandist

goes into the "super-hyper-ultra" marketing realm (in science we know super is lower than hyper, and most people agree ultra is higher than both super and hyper, mega... thats a size thing lol ).
If not actively used in a setting that warrants that kind of truck I always think the driver is missing something somewhere and is trying to compensate for it.
@llewelly
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@jt_rebelo @llewelly
It's absolutely 100% silly marketing nonsense, because it actually signifies a lower power class than the heavy duty designation.
in reply to WTL

@WTL @llewelly oh shit. I have to find some pictures of my old truck. I bought it used when I had very specific needs for capability, and it was the only thing available that worked. RAM 2500 Laredo Longhorn. It literally had a barbed wire pattern on the floor mats.
in reply to Josh

@WTL @llewelly it was a great truck, but I laughed every time I looked at it.
in reply to Josh

@josh0 @WTL @llewelly

As someone with five bolo ties I think this is kinda cute.

I mean *for a car*

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@WTL @llewelly other than it being absurdly enormous, and the absolute wrong choice of vehicle for where you live, I think it would suit you!
in reply to Josh

@josh0 @WTL @llewelly

Honestly, I've never owned a car in my life, but if I ever have to I would want a nice truck, like from a country song. Not a big tumorous looking one, but something elegant your dog could ride in while you think about why she left you.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@WTL @llewelly I can’t possibly conceive of a reason that my dog would leave me and then ride around in my truck!
in reply to Josh

@josh0 @WTL @llewelly

OK. I can see how you thought that's what I was saying ... OMG.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

i'm having trouble understanding how this is even in a parking spot. it looks like it's in a lane of traffic.
in reply to A Flock of Beagles

@burnitdown

It is a lane of traffic! They are double parked blocking the street which is only 1.5 lanes wide as it is (with the parked cars on both sides.)

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I always feel that these silly urban trucks are the modern equivalent of high heels in Renaissance Europe. High heels were a *practical* invention that let horseback riders maintain a firm foothold on the stirrups, but they eventually became the status symbols of aristocrats. French men in tights wore heels in the 17th century *because* they were impractical. They couldn’t walk on muddy or cobblestoned streets or for long distances with them on, but THAT WAS THE POINT. They wanted to show that they *didn’t have to* walk like a commoner; society had to *accommodate* them.

(Women started wearing heels in the 18th century, and men lost interest soon afterward, because…obvious reasons).

I think men driving alone in sparkling clean F-250s, and having trouble fitting into parking spots even in huge suburban malls, are exhibiting similar behavior: the truck is primarily a flex. The cumbersomeness and socially-maladapted inconvenience of the truck IS THE POINT. Society simply has to *accommodate* them.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

Some newer cars have auto-engine stop when vehicle is stopped (usually at stoplight). (e.g. fuel-saving purpose)

I don't know if this type of vehicle has that...

So don't ever assume it won't move toward you, even if it appears to be off, or that the driver isn't leaning away from driving position.

#PSA

🤔

#psa
in reply to myrmepropagandist

A proper snow plow has really good visibility.
I can hardly think of any vehicle with a front visibility as poor as that oversized truck. A tank, maybe?
in reply to myrmepropagandist

In the south, of course, there are people actively trying to do worse. Because, you know.

This has perplexed me for years, not only on safety but style as well... I can only guess that somebody saw a truck in the shop with its engine out and thought "Hey, that looks pretty snazzy. I want my truck to look like it's partly disassembled, too."

in reply to myrmepropagandist

These are turning up in Australia now too and I'm so angry our government didn't regulate against them before they had the chance to get here 😡
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It’s getting beyond ridiculous. I was entering my bank’s parking lot the other day and the largest ford truck I’ve ever seen nearly t-boned me because it was too large to round the corner of the exit. I don’t normally do road rage but I definitely got that fucker’s plate number. These ridiculous monstrosities are unsafe for everyone else around them.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I have a photo somewhere of my 4' 11" spouse standing in front of a truck like that. The hood was higher than than the top of her head! Ridiculous and dangerous!
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@IngridHbn

such cars should simply be banned. They should not exist.

That's where I blame designers (I used to be one of them...) for even imagining such a stupid engine.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I don't often draw people but this car inspired me to make a sketch I hope I can render into something worth showing some day.

Basically, a group of kids and adults are running across the crosswalk with ice cream, and pinwheels from NYC street fair. They are looking at each other and having a wonderful time.

Meanwhile, in the dim narrow window of the car, the driver leans forward frowning, straining, looking down to try to see what's going on right in front of them.

Life is passing you by.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

The windows are tinted, or at least shaded, the car is so tall and high you can hardly see. The car is sound insulated and there is even noise canceling so nothing from the outside world can reach you in there.

And maybe the computer will drive for you sometimes too. It's like you never left your house. The world cannot touch you. You are alone.

Do we ever talk about how cars make people lonely?

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

Are these people really so fragile they need to be packed in a padded box like brittle bone China just to drive to the store? Would a summer breeze knock you over? Would the shouts of children at the playground shatter your ears? Is the sunlight on a bright summer day too bright for your eyes?

Is life too much for you?

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

also, there's an environmental impact.

Make the streets unhealthy for SUVs?

Tyre Extinguishers:

"I’m treated to a solemn demonstration of the process: a masked figure removes the valve-cap from a looming Porsche, adds a lentil and returns the cap – tightening until it hisses. The whole thing takes about ten seconds. “They generally go flat within about an hour,”

vice.com/en/article/who-are-th…

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I cycle pretty much everywhere in town (4* win: helps my brain & body, better for the environment, WAY more convenient). The thing I most notice is that even though people bring their entire living room with them, including armchairs, the lizard-brain driving really comes with dark/rain. I think behind the windscreen people feel close to the weather and forget they're inside, so they drive erratically to try to get inside as quickly as possible. We're really not evolved for cars.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Many of those oversized cars have a camera to see what's in front of the driver.

But soon or later the screen will start to show ads instead of the road, until the driver will pay for a subscription to the service…

in reply to rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

@GustavinoBevilacqua

People talk about "screen time" but looking at a screen to see something that you ought to be able to see by, well, looking right at it with your eyes is a new level of unreality.

Will people allow themselves to be sealed off from the world so completely that *nothing* is experienced directly?

(That said, rear-view cameras are kind of awesome, but this tech has only really been developed so much because of the poor sight-lines of what passes for car design.)

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@GustavinoBevilacqua impairing our senses, honed over millennia, and replacing them with less-sensitive tech *on purpose* is pretty dystopian.
in reply to rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

@GustavinoBevilacqua

Oddly enough it's the same people who have been talking about their fear of pods and being forced to eat soy who have put themselves in literal isolation pods.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I want them to put those cameras on the *front* of the car.

There's times when it's easier to move backwards than forwards, thanks to the rear camera and of course incredibly bad sight-lines on the front.

But I'm so out of touch, I suppose now you'll tell me they already do.

Edit: I see someone mentions front cameras.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

FYI, here's a Mercedes Benz video ad from 1990 that might answer some of your questions.

Designed to be openly racist, too, down to its very core (note the attitudes shown in every mini-event; the sound design; how the locals get pictured). It's title is "Willkommen zu Hause" (Welcome Home), and it is set in – Tunesia.

Invidious

YouTube

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in reply to katzenberger

@katzenberger

I understand from the way it's put together I'm supposed to sympathize with the guy but I just watched thinking "wow what a huge asshole" the whole time.

And the ad is racist, but in that way where if you discuss it eventually someone will ask "but how is it racist? he just wants quiet?" and you will feel so exhausted by the question you just let the whole thing go.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@katzenberger at least now you could directly compare it to some of those god-awful Loop earplugs ads which at least are just, like, random children you don't see making a noise in a supermarket. "Other cultures disgust me" is a TAKE.

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in reply to Flic

@Flisty @katzenberger

I haven't seen those ads. And for the record I love noise canceling headphones and earbuds.

Riding the subway without all the rumbles is amazing.

But, sometimes noise canceling can go too far. I often do a zoom call with my friend in Brooklyn to work on our writing. She has a lot of birds.

Zoom cuts out all of the birdsongs so I couldn't understand what she was talking about.

It also cuts out #picatheCat 's dynamic songs too. Robbing the world of her little voice.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@katzenberger I've heard good things - my brother's partner swears by them: they have 6 kids! I'm definitely tempted to give them a go.
Maybe this ad is only in Britain: I find the voice really grating as it's so AI (so many of them are now and they all really make me itch) and it's on relentlessly. I assumed that because it was AI it would be global in different accents/languages! Maybe it's just targeting that it's getting me so much ...!
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I don't use Zoom, but it seems you can turn it on and off:

"By default, Zoom uses noise suppression and echo cancellation to enhance the clarity of your microphone audio. You can adjust your professional audio settings during a Zoom Meeting to disable audio filters or enable higher-quality audio modes. From the meeting toolbar, you can access and configure your microphone modes and audio profiles."

Source: support.zoom.com/hc/en/article…

in reply to Flic

I bought a pair of those a million years ago for live music shows, but the amount of ads is making me regret my choice.
in reply to bovaz

@bovaz @Flisty @katzenberger

ear plugs what ads?

is this what you are telling me this is???

that is a nightmare!

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Most of the German comments under the video are along the lines of "this is like every average Western European city today", etc.

The car enables you to say "get off my land" wherever you choose to. Even abroad. Utter denial and distortion of reality, but on wheels.

in reply to katzenberger

"this is like every average Western European city today"

This is what real cities have always been since the dawn of time and if you don't like it? You don't really like cities ... or civilization.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@katzenberger

Cities are the place where you encounter people who are different from yourself. You can learn from them, fall in love with them, trade with them and become fabulously wealthy. That's the whole point of the city.

It's a place for everyone who likes the idea of a place for everyone.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

These people live in a seperate community that is geographical congruent with your world but not part of it. They do not want to interact at all with the city and its people & don't care what happens there.

They cannot fly or use private tunnels yet, so their cars have to pass through your world & are therefore built to avoid any interactions. They dream of buying totally seperate spaces to get around, then they could ignore you entirely.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I really like to shield myself from other humans, so I get that part, but I don't like to kill them. For shopping a cargo bike, sunglasses and hearing protection are fine. But for the transport of tools and family I like something bigger.

The funky thing is that it's virtually impossible to buy a vehicle that's doing what I want that isn't also designed to murder humans.

Why do even electric vehicles have the 'FU just die' fronts??

I blame the ads of the evil oligarchs for this.

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in reply to iwein

@iwein

Too many of the people who might want more reasonable vehicles have just opted out of having one at all. Carmakers don't care what someone like me thinks about their cars as I will never buy one.

If I had to I expect it would be a very annoying process.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I didn't want to put that rant on your timeline, but I'm that person, and you're absolutely right.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@iwein when I was a kid, we had a family station wagon, and many of my friend’s families had one too. All a bit different, but basically pretty reasonable cars to go places with up to 8 people. Now they barely make sedans, and the closest thing to a station wagon is a smallish SUV. My dad recently got one to use like a station wagon with my step-niblings, and it doesn’t quite have the “die, peasant” look, but it’s got a milder version of the same problems
in reply to ShadSterling

@iwein
I’ve got an 11-year-old sedan, and even that is bigger than I need. I’m hoping it’ll last until I pay off my student loans, and I’m not looking forward to what my options will be at that time. Especially if I’m lucky enough to have kids by then. I miss when they made cars that were just reasonable ways to get places, especially ones like our old station wagon
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@iwein I'm not even convinced it's that. Carmakers could choose to make whatever they want trendy. Cars don't have a fascist death machine aesthetic because that's what customers want. Rather, customers "want" that because that's what the carmakers are pushing and glamorizing in their ads, because the people in charge are all on LinkedIn and Facebook and Birdchan with fellow rich-af assholes who love fascist aesthetics.
in reply to Cassandrich

@dalias yup that's exactly what I meant with the "ads of the evil oligarchs" remark. You worded it much better 👍

There's absolutely no rational science based reason why cars couldn't be at least half as bulky and five times more energy efficient on average.

The murderous and planet destroying intent behind it all is as obvious as it is disgusting.

I wish I could shake that into buyers so they'd at least go: "WTF is this!?" Instead of: "oooh nice car 🤤"

@futurebird

in reply to Cassandrich

@dalias @iwein it does feel like the advertising is pushing a breakdown of social cohesion that says you are only safe in a Mad Max post apocalyptic world if you have your own terrifying blacked-out death-machine. The isolation fits in with suburban aesthetic where everyone is in cosplay colonial homestead in a hostile wilderness.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@iwein I want something not made by a fascist, with enough cargo capacity to haul a standard 4x8 foot sheet of plywood or drywall, able to handle driving on logging roads, and not bigger or heavier than it needs to be while accomplishing those tasks.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I have never owned a car, and life is definitely too much for me.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

look what just came up in my feed techhub.social/@jerzone/115616…
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I've thought about this a lot since I got here.

Everyone is going around in private rooms that turn the people around you into obstacles in your way and reduce most daily interactions to a beep meaning "out of my way!", as opposed to "good morning, excuse me, may I?" in public transport.

Of course people feel isolated and lonely.

in reply to mau

@mzedp@plasmatrap.comhttps://youtu.be/e_oWmY_mkCA
amazingly the people at this car company were so car-brained that they filmed this whole ad without realising that they were saying exactly that.
@futurebird
in reply to Flic

@Flisty @mzedp

Wow take the cars out of the car ad and I start to consider liking it a little. This is such a fun concept for a short.

@Flic @mau
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I think it has been covered in several episodes of "the war on cars". I also think I've encountered discussion on how cars isolate people in several books. I don't have links handy thought.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Asimov wrote about a planet of anthrophobes living in isolated splendor on massive distributed estates staffed with robots to prevent them ever having to actually engage with another messy human. I’m not so sure we aren’t doing the same, except that for most of us our ‘estate’ is a tiny apartment and a (marginally) tinier box on wheels.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I couldn't work out the physics of this until I remembered in the US people drive tanks to buy milk. Then I saw your first post! Good lord.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Those things are so ridiculous, but apparently they are so popular that can't even buy a small new truck anymore.
I was shopping for a new work truck, and I ended up buying a used Ford Ranger because the new Rangers and all the other trucks are too big.
I can't understand the attraction to those monstrosities
in reply to myrmepropagandist

They're PATHETIC. Ninety percent of the time, these two pickups do the SAME JOB.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I take every occasion when at a car dealer to explain in gore detail to whoever is listening how the square high front of such cars – right in front of us there and then – destroys a pedestrian. I then call them "murder cars" and further add it doesn't help the fuel consumption is so bad, whatever happened to making cars both aerodynamic and pedestrian-friendly? There's no point to such cars. And I really hope the image of death and destruction I create in the mind of the listener never fades away.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

It's probably one of those famous New York city ranchers or farmers.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

yeah, there's a reason these.things.don't sell in the #EU:

They are overweight, oversized shitboxes that don't qualify as a #truck in #Germany due to having less cargo capacity than people, routinely exceed 3,5t MGW so they ain't even legally driveable on a Class B (car driving license) and are just inefficient in every metric:

  • Need to haul actual freight? Get a 7,5t boxtruck!
  • Need to tow a car? Get a Flatbed Truck!
  • Need to transport a lot of stuff? Get a 3,5t van.
  • Need to transport filthy tools, sit-on-mowers and Motorcross bikes? Get a trailer to tow with a regular car!

I really struggle to find a use-case for said #SuperUselessVehicles!

in reply to Kevin Karhan

The Super Duty was designed for heavier payloads and towing capabilities and usually used by businesses here, like pulling construction equipment and farming, but many people get them for vanity and personal compensation, if you know what I mean. Starting at around $50,000 USD, that a steep price for physical compensation.

@futurebird

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in reply to Paul Chambers🚧

@paul I know there are some cases, like shunting trailers in a logistics yard and last mile delivery of said gooseneck trailers, because importing or building European Trucks would be too practical...
in reply to Kevin Karhan

@kkarhan Yeah, they shouldn't be "family cars" or personal vehicles.

Special use vehicles, imo, regardless where they are, for most cases. @futurebird