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Why are US fascists fixated on Greenland? It's weirder than you think and only happening because a few nutjobs became billionaires (from April, but still relevant)

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It's worth noting the tech billionaires are not trying to expand the US empire. They have incubated inside it and are planning to discard the United States like a spent shell once their new network state emerges.

In theory, those hoping to protect Europe from this new threat could find common cause with a number of more traditional American oligarchs, though it might be distasteful, because their interests are also threatened.


Why are US fascists fixated on Greenland? It's weirder than you think and only happening because a few nutjobs became billionaires (from April, but still relevant)

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I have more than average exposure to rich people, as one does in NYC. I don't think any are billionaires, but millionaires probably.

Anyway. These are the most helpless people on the planet. Really most people are much more helpless than they suspect, even the more rugged off the grid types. But, having a lot of money makes it too tempting to just let other people do things for you.

I think this is why they like the fantasy offered by AI and robots so much.

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It's also why you find so many rich people in places like NYC, Tokyo, London etc.

They want the good services! The best ones.

How is that going to work in a bunker? Are you going to have five chefs in there? What do you do when they decide to kill you and keep your bunker?

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@futurebird it's why I laugh when people say these parasites will flee into Space, they would be useless in Space, even worse than passengers....like some belligerent livestock perhaps?

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@cshlan @ColesStreetPothole @ai6yr
There is a thing called a NORC "naturally occurring retirement community" where if a bunch of old people live in the same building it sort of turns into a nursing home.

I thought the libertarian floating cities would be NORTVS
"naturally occurring reality TV shows"

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@cshlan @ColesStreetPothole @ai6yr
Announcer VO: "For the fifth week the sewage system has remained broken. Some residents have set up a blockchain to monetize the repair process but no one wants to clean the pipes. Tensions are rising and some want to go home. Where will this adventure in freedom take them next? Find out in this weeks episode of "Libertarian Barge!"

Roll music and intro sequence.

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@futurebird @ColesStreetPothole @ai6yr
When they started talking about Mars it actually scared me a bit. I'm imagining the same kind of reality show but without atmosphere... And you know we'd wind up seeing video.
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@ai6yr @futurebird @cshlan @ColesStreetPothole
In "Liberty's Daughter" from 2023; Naomi Kritzer imagines a libertarian seasteading operation off of the coast of California - naomikritzer.com/2023/11/21/li… .

One subplot is based around the desalination and waste handling systems on the platforms getting messed up and the libertarian social structure having trouble dealing with that.

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@Lazarou @futurebird Watched a BBC drama a month or two ago called β€œTo The Ends Of The Earth”, starring Benedict Cumberbatch. It’s about a ship sailing to Australia with a few β€œprivileged” passengers aboard. I envision our tech parasites on a trip to Mars (or wherever) being like those passengers.
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@futurebird
Reminds me of an article I read ages ago (5-6 years maybe?). It was by some guy who did climate catastrophe-related stuff (I think).

They were given a generous amount of money to give some advice to a group of wealthy individuals.

They wrote that the questions started rather generic, but quickly boiled down to some rather disturbing details. Like "how can I ensure that my guards don't revolt". Or "is automating everything the better choice". Or "is something like a shock collar feasible".

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@wakame
Living with people with only shock collars keeping them from killing me is a hell only second to living with a shock collar myself and trying to figure out how to get it off and get rid of whoever put it on.

Why live in hell?

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@futurebird
Remote controlled service robots are awesome because you can simply turn them off when you want to be alone.
You can pretend that it is just a machine while there is a human intelligence on the other end.

Like slavery but a robot doesn't need food or a bed, just a charger.

And we are modern 21st century people, of course. We don't do slave-in-the-house slavery. That likely sits weird even with far-right people.

Only cheap clothes from poor countries slavery. Person brings me food to the door slavery. Maybe soon remote contolled sexbot slavery. Worst case: Human in a robot costume behaving like a robot and only getting paid if you don't notice.

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@wakame
What if you had a bunch of well paid staff who did a great job helping you because you were reasonable and treated them with basic respect?
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@futurebird The corollary being: no, they are *not* going to leave and their their money with them if you raise their taxes by a few percent.

The claim they're going to leave must be read as *threats*, and empty ones at that.

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@futurebird And sure it's an island but even with global warming it will never be like Majorca. It will still be dark half the year and always cold. Could be like the party car in β€˜Snow Piercer' but look how that turned out when the servants got tired of it.
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@futurebird I think of it as an internal guilt thing (the fascination with automation and robots). No matter how charmed your perceptual filters about your relationship with a social inferior are, it's a continuous subtext. It calls into question why some, "deserve," to be rich/poor. The rich want to be unburdened of their guilt. It's very natural.
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@futurebird This tracks with my experience with millionaires too. They’re very helpless people. Trapped within the system because it's "convenient ".
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@Alex Wild I'm tech but not a billionaire, but I love iced tea and Greenland has lots of ice.
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@Alex Wild And actually truth be told I think the tech world is more interested in Iceland, cheap electricity, natural cooling, and a government not consumed with censorship.
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