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Yes, because while christian leaders were in control in most of Europe things were so great for everyone, hence the mass exodus to the United States to get away from them and our forefathers specifically creating a separation of church and state to keep us safe from that atrocity. There could be no greater anti American statement ever than to suggest that we be lead by the so-called christian leaders.
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No greater anti American statement, you say?
Hold my bong.
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in reply to Ashwin Dixit • •@Ashwin Dixit
lol, that is not even about America, it starts its rant 284 years before America even existed which pretty much sums up its accuracy. In any case that is not a statement
its full blown propaganda. Yes, Maga is of no value to American society and America, just like every other country in the world, has plenty to be ashamed of in its past with no need to add centuries of non-existent history which it never had. Though when people start their argument before America even existed, stating it in such a way that suggests it had anything to do with America it can pretty much be dismissed offhand as nonsense. And that is precisely what I have done.
Ashwin Dixit
in reply to Unus Nemo • • •You are right. When talking about a tree, we should discuss only where the tree begins, above the ground. To talk about its roots is just propaganda, you dig?
Also, Samoa, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Guam are taxed by America, though not represented in government. That is neither here nor there. It's just propaganda.
Hawai'ian people did not even want to join America, and many still don't. Live on the streets of Hawai'i, and you learn that much.
A couple hundred years ago, they had not heard about a certain dead Jewish philosopher. Then they got violently conquered, and suddenly needed said Jew to save them.
Please pardon me for stirring it up. 😉
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in reply to Ashwin Dixit • •@Ashwin Dixit
America is not a tree, it is a country. In the case of a tree the roots are a living part of the whole. In a country when it revolts it is literally severing itself from the governance of the territory it is trying to take possession of. It is not a part of that past. They did not revolt because they agreed with the former governance. Comparing a country or society to a tree is an extremely poor analogy.
We are not talking about origins we are talking about accountability, or at least I am. I have origins. My family were nobility in France that were revolted against and my direct ancestors managed to escape. Should we include that in my accountability? Am I responsible for what happened before I existed? What the article starts with is mentioning things that England, Spain and France did wrong in this territory, which is fine, yet it goes on to find accountability in a Governance that did not exist at that time.
You think that is a good and accurate metric. You want me to accept it as accurate due to it being the roots? I do not find that reasonable no more than I accept accountability for what my family did before I was born, or even in my lifetime as far as that goes. Thus I find your correlation of a society and a tree to be meaningless.
Please, do not get me wrong. I am not suggesting these things are good. I am stating that it is impossible for America to be accountable for anything before there was an America. To me, this just make sense, it does not to you? Now, there are plenty of issues that could be brought up that are meaningful and America is accountable for. Yet, credibility is immediately in question as soon as false accusations are issued. That is what that propaganda does. It suggests that somehow America should be held accountable for things that happened before it existed. Not just a short time but centuries. Get rid of those parts and it might be worth reading.
The thing is, I agree with the idea that America never was and is not all that great. We should not be trying to revert to how we were we should be trying to improve. I just find this argument (presented in the article) to be ridiculous.
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in reply to Unus Nemo • • •@unusnemo
Guilt does not get handed down the generations, but the wealth accumulated through genocide does.
Racial inequality today is the perpetuation of yesteryear's genocide, racism in slow motion, with a smiley, respectable face.
People who inherited generational wealth, have to take account of how their ancestors got that wealth in the first place.
Native American people were killed and their land stolen. Then the colonizers enslaved African people and brought them to the stolen land and exploited the sweat of their labor. Then they brought in Chinese laborers to build a railroad. The colonizers perpetuated a culture of slavery and racism. Natives, African and Chinese people lived as slaves, outcasts, disenfranchised people.
The extent to which your particular ancestors participated in this oppression, I have no idea about. The extent to which they benefited from it, I have some idea about. Actively or passively, some generations are beneficiaries of the loot of empire.
For example: You might be a well-educated, well-off, well-respected person today, because of the wealth and privilege afforded to you, by your murderous, racist, rapist great grandfather, a genocidal brute.
That wealth and privilege got passed down, so today you are a civilized person, who thinks well of themselves, selectively ignoring the facts of history. If you are descended from the colonized people, you might be unprivileged, poor, uneducated, and might even have a criminal record, due to the systemic injustice that is still perpetuating.
George Orwell wrote in "1984", that "the party", the elite class, is not racist. Today, the division between the haves and the have nots, still correlates with race, though not as much as in the past. The division is now based on class. Class warfare uses tactics, such as appointing an African American as president.
Obama took office in 2008 and in 2009, stopped the investigation into the insider corruption behind the 2008 market crash that wiped out millions of Americans out of their savings and retirement plans. Some folks very dear to me were cheated out of their life's savings, even though they are of European descent.
People wanted Universal Healthcare, but Obama gave us Obamacare, taking healthcare from expensive and complicated, to expensive, complicated and mandatory. This gave even more money to the "healthcare industry".
People went along with these big scams in broad daylight, simply because they trusted that an African American president would have their best interest at heart.
As Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea wrote in "The Illuminatus", the purpose of the president is not to wield power, but to distract from those who really do.
The president is only a nominal figurehead in the political theater, a frontman for those really in power. A charismatic, charming, eloquent person is chosen by the powers-that-be, and sold to the voters by a trillion dollar hype machine.
So my proposal is not to guillotine the billionaires.
"Life hurts a lot more. When you die, the pain is over."
— Jim Morrison.
The appropriate justice may be to take away their excess wealth and spread it, so that the society becomes classless. Let them live among people as equals. Zuckerberg would have to stand in the grocery line, the same as everyone else. People might make conversation, "Hey neighbor. Didn't you use to run that site, Fakebook or something?"
Here's my proposal for how to bring this about. A cryptocurrency aimed at bringing about wealth redistribution and degrowth, putting an end to fake news and spam.
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