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openclaw is so weird. like. you have to already be neck-deep in the silicon valley ecosystem and take a lot of things for granted for it to even be useful.

don't have systemd? it's not prepared for that eventuality.
want to use IRC as an interface? good fucking luck.
want to use ollama as a backend? oh we're going to fail back to whatever API costs money for completely inexplicable reasons
what do you mean you don't have gh, clawhub, weebo, porkle, flipflap, and zsh installed? Are you a fucking troglodyte?
why isn't your e-mail server gmail? openclaw has panic attacks when it has to talk to something that isn't gmail
ask it for help with itself? I'm sorry dave I'm a dumbfuck.

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> actually why do you not have ZSH installed?

I've never installed zsh on purpose. It's worse fluoride than goddamn bash. You'd think these fuckin' things would be trained on some Bourne-alike, yeah, you expect it, but if it can't function with whatever plain /bin/sh exists on the machine, it's designed by idiots. readline and shitty multi-color prompts are not features a machine needs; most bashisms are not features required for programming.

Most of the LLMs have succeeded in creating the median Redditor, something no one wanted, but like the median Redditor, it's also crippled without its Mac:germanB:ook:germanB:ro.
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Plan-A

 — (0.0.0.0)
@pistolero @Fe₂🦀₃⋅H₂🦀 @:seven: Zshell is just graphical preference, I use it in some of my containers where I do graphical things but rest is as native bashrc.
ZSH good for some extensions as fuzzy 10K power level as you said the colors and Bat (stupid) etc.. I don't use most extensions but it's just like do you prefer Gnome or KDE thing for me frankly.
But as base all remain Ptyxis bash 3.5 as base
People could argue about nano or Vim also.
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @mischievoustomato

> they usually just do their hacking and don't bother anyone, contrary to the rust evangelism strike force 😀

"Why I Hate Advocacy" is an excellent read and it came from the Perl people: perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.…

Unfortunately for the Rust Evangelism Strike Force, the discussion of NIH and mindless advocacy was not invented by Rust and was thus completely ignored; apart from that, it was written in 2000 and, although human nature hasn't changed, everything older than the most recent push to cargo is too old to consider.

Why I Hate Advocacy

Since 1997 Perl.com has published articles about the Perl programming language, its culture and community.
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Clint Eastwood

@p

Advocacy is the biggest problem in computing. Once they force whatever it is into all the mainline things the mainline things are not much better than the closed alternative because by then the option to go without it is taken away from any but the most devoted resistance.

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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @mischievoustomato
that was a nice read!

> The best glues can stick to everything.

hehe

> They want other people to join the Tribe. If they meet someone who doesn’t like Perl, it’s an insult to the Tribe and a personal affront to them.

i don't even have any good argument against rust itself as i didn't even really look at it in the first place. sole reason for this is that from the get-go the rust people were insufferable, just like poettering.

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> i don't even have any good argument against rust itself

LLVM is enough for me. But the thing is it has nothing really to recommend it: it's just a kinda shitty hybrid of the worst parts of C++ and JavaScript, the two languages Mozilla loves.
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@bonifartius @p @RustyCrab @syzygy @mischievoustomato that goes both ways, there are also some really retarded anti-rust cultists, as you can see if you go into lunduke's comments, where you see nocoders who think it's some conspiracy because the institutions that for decades have sponsored formally validated software without garbage collection are sponsoring rust, or that the compiler that can be bootstrapped from source in two different ways has a trusting trust injection, and such bullshit
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @p @mischievoustomato i think whatever the language brings in positive aspects (not all that much imo) is more than negated by the cultist community.

i'm not up to date, does rust have a spec now or is it still just the one implementation? is bootstrapping done from C or does one need to download binaries?

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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato is this your spambot? the immediate context should be sufficient to know that "discord" was not the important part but rather "if you just write rust code" without caring about any community.
if I write some rust code and then some faggot comes to my github complaining about how my code fails the clippy lints or I used unsafe flippantly, I don't see that as a reason to drop the language.
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@protos @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy

> is this your spambot?

Do you read context? The remark was that the community is irritating and they jump out of the bushes to ask if you'd like to buy a vegan timeshare. So jumping in to say "But what if you write Rust code *anyway*?" is unrelated as well as exactly the complaint.

> but rather "if you just write rust code" without caring about any community.

If I *don't* write Rust code, I still can't get away from their :glowinthedark: "community" :threeletteragentglowsobright:.

Touching Rust on purpose is orthogonal to the process.

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@protos @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy

> there are also some really retarded anti-rust cultists

Unhinged people sometimes have a smaller, unhinged backlash. There is no widespread problem with anti-Rust people showing up to bother people that are writing in Rust.
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Perhaps one of the worst things about advocacy is it leads to really bad software. Remembering back to the Java haydays, j<everything> was generally worse than the code it replaced, likely because its objective was to replace something, not to make great software. I'm seeing that happening with rust-<everything> now.

Not that I don't use Rust myself, but "X but written in Y" software has a bad tendency to be slop.

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Tangent...
I attended a Perl conference around the time that post was made where MJD was a speaker and he gave us a choice of a few talks he could give. I don't remember what the other choices were but pretty much everyone decided they wanted to hear his talk on Lambda Calculus. So he talked about that, and like maybe 10% of the talk was Perl specific with him providing implementation examples using Perl since that's what the attendees were most familiar with. But it really had more to do with conceptual stuff like, how do you implement an `if` statement when there's not already an `if` statement, etc, and building a language grammar from the ground up. I don't remember all the details, but it really opened my eyes towards FOD.

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Anyone who is in programming and is considering doing Rust should instead go back to college and get a bachelor’s degree in the arts. There is literally less chance of being a gay communist and getting the AIDS from that than from any exposure to Rust.

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@ehhh @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy

> less trustworthy of linux nowadays

Well, like, I think Linux has been borderline intolerable for a decade at least. I started treating Linux like Windows in the late 90s, you know, "Here's this thing I have to run for work shit but I hate touching it." But as soon as they forced their CoC down Linus's throat, I figured it was over.

> The Germans and I guess the upper hierarches of Arch Linux decided that completely rewriting ALPM in Rust was a good idea.

Ew.

There's always crux.nu/ if you want the thing that Arch forked off from. CRUX has stayed good so far. :crux:

> they opt to completely convert to Rust... For handholding?

Well, like, I never had a good time with pacman personally. I switched from Arch back to Slackware for shit I don't care about.

> It's only a matter of time when petty infighting happens that fractures the whole project and then people will just go back to C again because they cannot trust the community to be run by competent people.

Python fell apart completely when it lost its competent management and it is now less stable than *Ruby*. This didn't actually stop people from using it, though.

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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @ehhh

> Python fell apart completely when it lost its competent management and it is now less stable than *Ruby*. This didn't actually stop people from using it, though.

I still long for the parallel universe where julia wasn't written with llvm and was the lingua franca for ML.

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pistolero

@RustyCrab @bonifartius @ehhh @mischievoustomato @syzygy It is one of the few languages where the first program I wrote was useful; was checking the Spamhaus PBL for IPs that were blocked, and thankfully nobody uses Spamhaus any more. (Postscript was another; Postscript had the added bonus of actually being useful for a real-world task for a person that was not me.) Much more enjoyable than Haskell, anyway, and more convenient than OCaml, much more legible than Erlang. The extremely low-friction C function calls made it really easy to deal with.

using system;
extern hostent *gethostbyname(char *name);
pblize addr = (join "." (reverse (split "." addr))) + ".zen.spamhaus.org";
check domain::string = gethostbyname (pblize domain) ~= NULL;
pcheck addr::string =
if check addr then ((puts(addr + " is blocked!")) $$ 1)
else ((puts(addr + " is fine.")) $$ 0);
count_pbld args = foldr (+) 0 $ map pcheck $ tail args;
main = exit $ count_pbld $ tail argv;
if compiling then () else main;

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