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This is a question for the younger adults. Those in your 20s and 30s. There have been a few surveys and articles about how "young people are having less sex" and "young people aren't getting married"

And then some people will say there is a "loneliness epidemic"

How real is this? Are these things even connected?

There are fewer marriages but also far fewer divorces which, to me, kind of sounds like a good thing?

But I rarely hear about the low divorce rate in this context.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

In fact the "young people are having less sex" stat is normally reported alongside similar stats showing smoking tobacco and drinking are less popular.

I've only once seen it alongside the marriage stat... which is odd isn't it? At least if you were expecting reporting to reflect "traditional values."

I also suspect some young people aren't dating or getting married or even going on vacation or having a drink ... because they are BROKE and working their fingers to the bone to survive.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

All through the 80s and early 90s the news was dominated by stories about the "divorce epidemic" and "single moms" also "latch-key kids"

Then something shifted and I think people are less likely to get married due to outside pressure and social expectations, and more likely to do it because they just really like being married. (That's why I did it. 10/10 best choice ever.)

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I wonder, if like crime, if you asked people if divorce is a big problem if people would still overestimate it?

The fall in the divorce rate presents a problem for conservatives who want to talk about how "the family is being destroyed" (which family? how?)

But I wonder if people still think that a large number of marriages are ending in divorce.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I definitely still thought that. In my immediate social circle, I would estimate about half the people have been divorced. (Even if they are remarried).
in reply to GinevraCat

@GinevraCat

Divorce is sometimes the right thing to do. And a low divorce rate could be a bad thing if people were feeling financially, or emotionally "trapped" in bad marriages.

But the rates are way down, it's one many remarkable social shifts that doesn't get talked about very much.

In my social circle there are very few divorces, but there are also not as many marriages as I think my mom might have seen.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@myrmepropagandist @GinevraCat @California tidy tips
Ya, don't ever get the idea that holy matrimony was any kind of spiritual sacrament to anybody except Wall Street's finance sharks.

In considering the "young people' demographic, one is required to factor in student loan debt because all spouses are liable for the mate's student loan repayments. At the time the law permitting this practice passed, it was presumed that wedlock = loanlock because nearly everybody could be expected to get married. Pharma presumed everybody married was going to have babies and so that was supposed to be a medical gold mine too. Landlords presumed married young people necessarily move out of their parents' house, and so on.

The young people demographic have a lot more than a double whammy to look at, that didn't exist for previous generations, and you can thank every GOP regime beginning with Bonnie Ronnie Reagan for all of that.

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

yep, and disability benefits/insurance eligibility can get cut if you get married too. So if you're on long-term medication or something, getting married could just not really be an option.
Any younger folks are less healthy than they used to be, so this will also be more impactful than we remember.
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in reply to California tidy tips

@thesquirrelfish @claralistensprechen5th @GinevraCat This is literally why I'm not married - if I marry my life-partner of 15 years and counting, she loses her insurance, disability benefits, and I become liable for her defaulted student loans.

It would be a huge financial hit.

in reply to BlueWinds

@bluewinds @thesquirrelfish @claralistensprechen5th @GinevraCat Yep, the fiance and I have been together 15 years, living together over 10, and have a 4 year old and another due any day now. If we got married I'd lose ~45% of my benefits, and some of my insurance.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@thesquirrelfish @GinevraCat I find amongst younger people there seem to be fewer long term relationships and people wait until late 20s/early 30s to have children.

Also way fewer children for last 20 years, I was in the Maternity Ward building of the general hospital earlier this year (it has 9 floors and is one of the tallest in town so we put up an antenna and installed a new transmitter for the community radio station) and only 2-3 floors of it are now in regular use ..

in reply to Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@vfrmedia @thesquirrelfish @GinevraCat Wild statistic, but it kinda checks out around here as well. Maternity wards are smaller and according to friends of mine with kids, the level of care/service/time the parent + baby spends in the maternity ward has gone way down as well.

Almost no one I know has kids because childhood in the USA is so miserable (and dangerous) that it's hard to get excited about dooming someone else to it.

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@sidereal @thesquirrelfish @GinevraCat

I have hybrid working and drive to the office in the afternoon, there are noticeably fewer children around (even at school finishing times) and even during summer holidays I didn't notice that many in my street or the surrounding areas). A mutual from Germany said the same thing has happened in his area (and its likely common throughout Northern Europe)

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@vfrmedia

Park slope too. There are 3 other children on just my block born the same month as my daughter

in reply to George B

Are they building a bunch of new schools there too? They have built five schools on my block and there were already two.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@vfrmedia

No, I don't think it's an increase in number of children, just a generally high count.

A daycare in the area was just sold and I think will be turned down for condos

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@thesquirrelfish @GinevraCat
It used to be that married couples got a slight break on their income taxes (on the assumption that the incomes were unequal), but Reagan eliminated that with his "tax cut" in the 80s.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

This is also a good point. I know quite a few unmarried, older women. It's not as taboo, or as financially unmanageable, as it was in my mom's time.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

it's still a very persistent idea nowadays (he said, having only anecdotal evidence).

It seems to me it's a lingering outdated fact which used to be true and used both for and against changes in our societies. Now that the numbers tell us the divorce rate is far lower (and has been for some time), there isn't the same push to publicize that fact, because it's "as it should be." (Not sure I'm being very clear, here.)

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@jenesuispasgoth

If people start getting married at younger ages again the divorce rate will go back up.

Unless they make women property again and I don't even think I can totally rule that one out at this point.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

when I moved to the US (I stayed there for a few years), I was already very surprised to see people get married so young from a French person's viewpoint (i.e., before 28-30 years old). 😀
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Probably true, but unless art history is entirely rewritten then anyone can see the lack of joy, the lack of peace, the dead eyes looking back at the viewer from so very many old photographs and many portraits of wives, mothers, and women. I don't know how many of those chattel women were binary, but lots of pictures looked unhappy.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

The bitter irony of the "family is being destroyed" crowd destroying families by trying to ban gay marriage, scapegoating and persecuting trans people, deporting parts of perfectly happy families over minor paperwork errors or nothing...

I almost don't like to point out hypocrisy any more because to do so implies some set of shared vales and a capacity for caring that simply isn't there.

But I am very upset about all of these "attacks on the family" and how "the family is being destroyed"

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I’m 37 so I think I fall outside this. When I was coming up the hand wringing was all about hook up culture and how *much* casual sex we were having. But at this point most of my friends are married. One friend has gotten a divorce.

In my broader social environment I would say there’s relatively little divorce and when it happens it’s basically always: “I had kids with this man and then he got overwhelmed by what it takes to parent and turned into an additional child to take care of”

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in reply to MinmiTheDino

@minmi

“I had kids with this man and then he got overwhelmed by what it takes to parent and turned into an additional child to take care of”

Tale as old as time.

Being a parent is a lot.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

@minmi We once were gifted a very nice bit of calligraphy that reads “family isn’t for cowards” 😂
in reply to myrmepropagandist

sadly yes. I guess “destroying the family” just means not being stuck in that.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@minmi

i've heard more than once after a woman divorces a man-child

'i knew being a single parent would be difficult, but it is so much easier not having a grown man wanting me to be his maid, cook and mommy thwarting me at every turn'

paraphrasing of course, but that is the gist of it

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@myrmepropagandist @MinmiTheDino
Parenting became "women's work" as of the first Child Labor law that was passed, prohibiting such. Prior to that, it was the man's bailiwick to "teach" youngsters what's what because children were just as much property of the man as the woman was. When men couldn't exploit children anymore, they abandoned parenting on the broader scale.

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in reply to Grumbleshroom

@Grumbleshroom

I hope someday you can look back on how you spent your time on a nice Saturday (trying to be a jackass on the internet) and you can have the maturity and perspective to feel regret about not doing something better with this limited time we each have on this earth. You could be learning about nature! Studying math! Calling a friend! Falling in love! Writing a book!

But instead you did this.

I want that kind of growth for you. This is really pathetic.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@myrmepropagandist @Grumbleshroom
There are racist trollbots polluting the fediverse just as there area Ruzzbots nowadays. Report and block.

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in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER.
FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT!
TOTAL FAGGOT DEATH TOTAL FAGGOT DEATH TOTAL FAGGOT DEATH!
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Why don't you shut the fuck up before I come over there and give you some of the ol' motherfuckin' 🔵🔵 👋 bitch
in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

@Rot-Wing Death Squad @myrmepropagandist @Captain80s. Here smell my finger. @Grumbleshroom @Rock DJ

Up steps Rotwing demonstrating in person how much smarter bugs are than he and his cronies are.

The Clara Listensprechen here is a lifetime member of the NAACP and member of the ACLU and of the Southern Poverty Law Center. The word "stupid" is too good for you.

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Nah, you're a fucking Nazi and you're going down, you God damn chud. You're not getting your ICE raids, you're not getting your white ethnostate, fuck you you racist pig, you're a nigger.
in reply to fknretardlol

This racist fucking nigger came into my mentions, started calling me a spic, started calling me a spook, started calling me a spade, and then he said he was going to come to my house to beat my ass with his Nazi friends for supporting gay nigger homo tranny faggot kike moolie rights and I said, me and my gang of minorities aren't going to put up with that, so I called the motherfuckin' police
in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

Yeah he should have said something about your kin getting deported from that factory. Are you in ICE custody as we speak?
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in reply to Captain80s. Here smell my finger.

I am, right fucking now, because of this black-ass Nazi nigger, God help me mi familia
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

nigga pllease
you have no friends here , we hate tou
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Seems pretty bigoted to assume people can be genetically inferior, Nazi trash. Eugenicist fuck.
in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

negros are seeming genetically inclined to outrun most White men , for example
in reply to fknretardlol

Evolution, natural selection. Those who did not outrun Whites or ayrabs or anyone else who traveled south of the Sahara to take them home and use them as farm equipment and toilet-polishers, were caught and enslaved.
in reply to fknretardlol

Its a bit from Clerks two. youtube.com/watch?v=IYITxGniww…
in reply to fknretardlol

it all started with some spooks in my dads unit on base .. said he was treating them poorly , and threatened my whole family.. i was like 6 or 7 ..learned to shoot though 😀
in reply to fknretardlol

Where I lived on base the niggers where afraid to even come. My best friend in 5 grade was a nigger and he came over to my place once and got scared and ran off. I didnt understand until later . His folks where telling him Whites where gonna hang him and stuff. I was clueless.
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in reply to Captain80s. Here smell my finger.

Sounds wonderful. Pretty much the whole housing market is priced by how far away a given neighborhood or home is from divershitty, so that shitty shacks deep innawoods are way more expensive than even a mini-mansion in shitcongo.
in reply to fknretardlol

it's just an abbreviation: национал-социалистский
наци
natzi
nazi

Abbreviations are never slurs. There's no hate to them. It's literally just a word that means the same thing that a supporter would mean with the longer word. The incidental social signalling of word choice is not what makes a slur.
Other examples of non-slurs using this rule: Jap(anese), Han(guk), Nip(ponese)

Actual slurs: raghead, chinky-eyed, porch monkey, etc.

in reply to of nothing

>The incidental social signalling of word choice is not what makes a slur.
These are literally the conditions for what determines a slur in the current year.
in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

that's a cynical application of power and not something you have to acknowledge as actually true. The left punishes some slurs but overwhelmingly what the left punishes is disagreement, and the preferred expressions of the right are defined to be slurs simply as a means of justifying punishment.

You can say that you like slurs *and also* you like simply using convenient language without getting jerked around by Orwellian bullshit - literally, Orwellian bullshit explained by the villain in 1984 as a proof of obedience to the party.
But there are also people who don't particularly like slurs while still hating the Orwellian stuff.

in reply to 𝔹𝔸𝕊𝔼𝔻 𝕃𝕆ℝ𝔻 ™

No, I'm not reading deliberately wordy claptrap that's wordy for its own sake. This is the kind of nigga to drop the word "ontologically" in a fifth grade inner City school classroom after a night of hastily Googling "big words to impress my classmates and teachers with."

Say less and mean more, retards.

in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

>"The Clara Listensprechen here is a lifetime member of the NAACP and member of the ACLU and of the Southern Poverty Law Center. The word "stupid" is too good for you."

lmfao!!!!

I'm an astronaut.

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Nazis are hiding in every shadow, under your bed and in the closet. Cower under the blankets as we march to the anthem of Erika.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Keep crying, bitch nigger. We are all pointing and laughing at you, and making fun of your skin colored like poop.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@claralistensprechen5th

I mean, sometimes I don't want to just ignore and block because every now and then someone will tell me "there's no racism on the fediverse" and well it's not true.

However it's generally very effective to just ignore and block and or mute.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@claralistensprechen5th

The reporting is key, and showing us this so that we can also report it.

Although when I tried to go to their account to do so, their instance is already blocked by mas.to.

in reply to Steve Gisselbrecht

@Steve Gisselbrecht @myrmepropagandist
I'm looking at all this via a Friendica instance (Rogue's Project) and I've been so busy blocking I haven't been reporting and I need to. Those two things are separate forms which, truth be told, are quite quirky.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@futurebirdYou are both disgusting niggers and should be hanged. Leave the internet to the humans that made it and kill yourself.
in reply to Steve Gisselbrecht

You must be very proud of yourself, btw faggots should never donate blood. Are you purposely trying to infect people with AIDS?
in reply to Rock DJ

These people don't give a fuck about the betterment of society, they want their dopamine and external validation at all costs. Even at the cost of your life. But remember when 2020 hit and they were all such fucking biology experts because the TV gave them talking points about COVID to rattle off ad nauseum?
in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

@Owl @claralistensprechen5th @stevegis_ssg @dj @futurebird People dug into biology because their lives were upended by a virus and it was obvious that ignorance in biology was causing problems at a society level. I'm not the only one who went out and got biology/chem textbooks & took an epidemiology course when it was clear that the pandemic wasn't ending. Turns out people can learn quite a bit, relatively quickly if their job and society are locked down and they have nothing but time on their hands.
in reply to :sui_2:

Why do these freaks think they own the internet?

jfc we all have our own servers, report away lmfao

in reply to Dr. ins0mniak M.D.

I believe the problem there is that you assume they're capable of thought, but marxists only learn how to recite retarded talking points.
in reply to :sui_2:

Yeah, letting the dumbest fucks on the planet get DSL was a massive fucking mistake lol
in reply to Dr. ins0mniak M.D.

Solar flares should fix that problem 🤞

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in reply to :sui_2:

we can't have a solar flare now I just got a ugandan knuckles LoRA

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in reply to :sui_2:

Its so funny who they have no idea what fuckin tourists to the net they are lol
in reply to Steve Gisselbrecht

Thank you for your interest in reporting our instance members for their highly offensive and egregious behavior. Here at decayable.ink, we value your commitment to these wasted efforts and appreciate your generous donation of salted reeeee.

Please complete the attached form in triplicate, and return the notarized copies to our staff at your convenience and for our amusement.

in reply to ĐØⱠⱠ

@ĐØⱠⱠ @myrmepropagandist @Steve Gisselbrecht
You miss the point, sweetie.
Decayable.Ink is only getting a copy of what's getting reported to the instance where your shit appears. It's the instances that get your shit that'll make a difference. Welcome to your very own echo chamber.
in reply to Steve Gisselbrecht

@stevegis_ssg @futurebird @claralistensprechen5th report us all you want retard it didn't change peoples opinions back when everyone was on twatter or facecuck, it's not gonna chage our opinions now when we're free of the tranny janny state

you're just making yourself more unlikeable and asking to be put on the rope you malformed pig fucker

in reply to Steve Gisselbrecht

@stevegis_ssg @claralistensprechen5th

It never made it here, so good on our admins for aggressively blocking!

But also, @futurebird you are a total treasure and a gift to the world and I admire you immensely for your creativity, intelligence, and generosity with your time and attention.

I hope that pushes the balance a little more to the positive side.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@myrmepropagandist
Well, that's why I'll sometimes engage. I'm a white person for whom none of those micro-minds represent despite their best efforts to claim to do so. Bugs are smarter than that bunch.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

I Hope you Realize your BS Reporting Will Do Nothing.
Our Admins Will Just Reject Them. 😆
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@claralistensprechen5th @futurebird

Diversity has failed

There is an unfortunate angry backlash, but censorship will do that

As we warned you years ago...

in reply to myrmepropagandist

What faggot retard said racism isnt on the fedi? tell that nigger to unblock 4/5ths of it.
in reply to Goth Vaporeon

>Man I hate racists, they support racist shit like eugenics
>Me on the left btw

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in reply to Rot-Wing Death Squad

Just let people be racist in their bedrooms it's not affecting anyone else. Hell when is the last time a racist of ever caused any inconvenience in your life?
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@claralistensprechen5thRacism is everywhere nigger. You people are just as racist. That's normal. What doesn't exist in the west is systemic racism against you people. That ended before you were born. Yet you still cry about it. True most of you are too dumb to tell the difference but some of you do know and you lie.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@claralistensprechen5th

I've gotten a lot quicker with the mute button. If you are both a) aggressive and b) an idiot, goodbye. I don't even give one response any more. Too many trolls.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Whoever told you there is no racism in the fediverse is a fucking retard.

And your avi is a nigger.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@futurebird @claralistensprechen5thWhere "effective" means preserving the illusion of a reality-bubble - which may be ease the mind in the short-term ala "Ignorance is Bliss," but does not reflect the real-world, and what is coming.

Allowing those who wish to separate to do so is the solution to "waaayyycism," for all concerned.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

@futurebird @claralistensprechen5th

It's usually a filter. They want you to mute/block them by saying something they think you will find outrageous because of the assumptions that you have made about the other side rather than asking people with family values or non-liberal values what they really think on here. Ignoring the posts or perhaps engaging seriously and reasonably if there is something to respond to is the way that I handle situations like this.

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

you and your retarded kind invaded this place retarded niggerfaggot
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@GrumbleshroomWe're not trollbots or Russian shills. We're Whites sick of the nigger plague brought upon by the chosenosenberg kikeowitzs & our patience has run out.

We are everywhere & not just online.

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@DreddWing Block Squads @Grumbleshroom @myrmepropagandist
Oh yes you are Ruzzian shills and trolls and an embarrassment to all white folks as a race. Y'all don't believe in evolution because you're still dragging your hairy knuckles. You're the pestilence plague the Bible keeps mentioning.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

'Russian shills'? 'Don't believe in evolution'? You dumb faggots can't help but make shit up.

Evidence of your claims, nigger?

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@Grumbleshroomoh look, another retard.
>racism bad [unless you do whites] russia bad, china bad ,plz india give us free labor!!!
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in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

Run to Teacher and tell on the bad kid that used bad words.
This really is your paradigm, isn't it? Mommy will make reality fit the Narrative and make everyone who disagrees just disappear.
Grow the fuck up.
in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

-white knighting for niggers and fags :check_green:
-complaining about racism on fedi :check_green:
-report and block :check_green:

I've seen this before.

in reply to Radio Free Trumpistan

@claralistensprechen5th @Grumbleshroom @futurebirdADL Bots, too? Ever hear of "Unit 8200"?
And then there is Peter Thiel's Palentir. Imagine what a Billion Dollars worth of "bots" could do.
Peter Thiel, the LGBTPedo-disease-pushing "activist," funded and created the persona of the "Jay Dee Vance" (pen-name) character in the SHOW.

But, yeah, lets pretend Race Realists are the "Real Bots."

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Blocked, and I want to apologize to you that you had to deal with that, even though its got nothing to do with me. I feel shame that sort of thing happens.
@Grumbleshroom@decayable.ink
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Youre one of my favorite fedi people, incredibly interesting, bring up lots of great topics and you teach math! Friends just shouldn't have to deal with that. In person that person would have been shoved on their ass out a door and had it slammed in their face. Online all I get to do is click a button. Dissatisfying.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

@dlakelan Not that this is going to make you feel much better, but that instance (decayable.ink) is a known, disgustingly racist, anti-LGBTQ troll farm.

This server has defederated from it and so have many others. I had to use a webpage, logged out, to see their posts.

Sorry you had to experience this. Some folks are just scum and will probably never change. 😔

in reply to myrmepropagandist

i can't see what they said to you but am inferring. fuck that noise, sorry you caught racist bullshit here
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Reported and blocked.
Most servers are defederated from clew.lol but it looks like this new-to-me server is still visible from my server.
I expect that will get resolved soon.
I think the ability to jump around servers is good for a lot of reasons but this is one reason it's really bad.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

the people who write up fediblocks are usually much faster than i am, but it doesn't stop me from trying to report when i see it anywhere

sorry about the mess

in reply to Grumbleshroom

whats that?looks like some kind of weird monster thing

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I'm 49, so I can't answer the question of whether all this is real, but I can confidently say two things. I know you know this, but it bears repeating.

First, for conservatives, "family" means men *owning* their wives and children, most especially girls. When they say the "family" is being destroyed, they mean they fear the erosion of patriarchy. It's real "don't threaten me with a good time" stuff.

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Second, based on what I'm reading about "classical fascists," I think the shift in the right has been from prudism (anti-sex and sex-phobic) to natalism: very pro-sex if it gets *white* girls pregnant by *white* men. They are OBSESSED with producing white babies who will grow up to be "soldiers" for white supremacy.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

for me personally, families being destroyed means unaffordable houses, tiny apartments, flatsharing. And then impossible work hours + commutes, low flexibility at work, prohibitive kindergarten prices. Low sex could be a consequence of all that stress and of the resentment when family fails to materialise due to unrealistic expectations
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I think the Republicans are mad that their kids avoid them.

All those years of beating their kids because they were supposed to fear their parents and now, they never call. According to Republicans this must be becaue of the woke mind virus, and not say kids aren't economically tied to their abusive parents any more.

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Abusive family environment

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Abusive family environment

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

Yah
It's the weirdest thing that Conservatives often finger problems, or at least dynamics that are pretty true, but their solutions are most often bat-shit crazy or make things an order of magnitude WORSE.

Like they fuck things up even worse than if they had just left them alone

in reply to myrmepropagandist

oh, mom still believes that "the kids today aren't staying married". It came up in conversation just yesterday.
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@catmisgivings

Yeah, that's totally false. We live in a golden age of fidelity and commitment.

The secret? Only "commit" if you really want to.

@Cat

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

The people who pule over divorce rates in 1980s-90s rarely ever praised the drop in women's suicide rates which occurred in tandem (right up until the emergence of synthetic opioids).

Probably just a coincidence that in 1973 under then-new federal law, adult women were able to open bank accounts and be financially independent of men whether fathers or husbands.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

50% of marriages end in divorce. I have heard this over and over again from the pulpit at church (a few weeks ago, most recently) and no facts or new information will ever take its place.

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I’m not in the requested age range but:
Around WWII there was cultural expectation to marry and have kids, and gov funding made it possible. Their hippy kids married and had kids, but then realized it was a bummer, man, plus now they needed two incomes. So: latchkey kids raised by divorce. After that, nobody believed in the marriage and kids racket, and the cost of living kept going up. Now we have kids for whom the whole system is blown up from the start, and even two incomes won’t cover basic life. Booze costs too much, and who has help keeping a relationship together?

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

As far as I know its not just young people... People are having less sex than before at all ages. Why? Could be things like being broke etc and also could be things like hormonal effects from environmental pollution. People are higher percentage body fat than before... But not just people, also mammals of all species at least thats what i remember reading. So, like micro plastics or hormone mimics in food or whatever could plausibly play a role.

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@dlakelan

Or it could be that people are lying less about having sex?

When I was younger I was kind of ashamed if I didn't have a "sex life" ... for guys this was way more intense and they all lied all the time about being players. It was very funny and obvious.

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in reply to myrmepropagandist

This could absolutely be a factor. But I'm not sure theres the same impetus to lie to an anonymous survey as there is to lie to your peer group. Surveys I think consistently show more believable info than what people say in locker rooms or at parties.
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@dlakelan
I also wonder if it's a difference of definitions. I think there's possibly a lot of sex going on but not necessarily "traditional" penis penetrating vagina sex. Younger people may be considering it more like mutual masterbation and saying no. I do know there was a thing a while back about younger people not considering oral sex as sex.
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Also, theres way less violence than 30 years ago. One plausible mechanism thats an interesting theory is that people were exposed to a lot of lead through leaded gasoline. This caused impulsiveness and emotional dysregulation, leading to violence. But it might also have lead to more sex, more young marriages, more teen pregnancy, and more reasons for divorce. I dunno, but the lead-violence people should look at connections to other issues like this.
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One way they study this is to look at different countries whose usage of leaded gasoline occurred on different timelines than the US and to see if theres a consistent relationship between lead exposure at time t and behavior at t + 20 or so years.
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@dlakelan

I'm so suspicious of this theory. It feels too much like a "just so" story and to me there are other more proximate reasons. I find the correlations interesting, they are just about good enough to be "possibly significant" but I still don't totally buy the causation aspect.

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If it were just a single country I'd think it was a just so story. But theres some things that make me think it could be real. People clinically confirmed to be lead exposed do show more cognitive and emotional problems. So theres a known mechanism. And, the correlations are similar across multiple regions of the world where timing of lead exposure are different.

I definitely dont think its a proven fact but I think its a way stronger suggestion than most social science results.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

to be precise, young people are telling people doing surveys that they have less sex.

How that’s connected to how much sex they’re having and how it was connected in the past may not be the same.

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I'd say the accommodation crisis can't help, young people living at home longer, or sharing accommodation more can't be conducive to lots of sex
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As a parent of 20-30 yr old kids, I can tell you this is the big problem. Earning enough to just break even as a single adult is damned difficult in this economy -- let alone make enough to get a real home or support a pregnant partner. They just haven't got the leisure time.

There are also problems with socializing and meeting people. A lot of that has gone online, and online is not really conducive to healthy dating, IMHO.

E.g. I met my wife in a college interest group, and those have kind of fallen apart, due to interest groups becoming virtual (so also online friends are often physically far apart, making in-person meetings awkward).

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> I also suspect some young people aren't dating or getting married or even going on vacation or having a drink ... because they are BROKE and working their fingers to the bone to survive.

In addition to this, how many people (of any age) aren't dating because they have long covid, or are caring for someone with long covid?

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Presumably marriage rate and the age at which people get married also has something to do with housing costs. Even if you're dating, you are probably less likely to get married if you can't afford to move out of your parents house, or out of an apartment shared with several roommates.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Still a big fan of sex and drinking, married and have no interest in divorce. My friends are sort of mixed but I think they generally like drinking, sex, and would prefer to marry eventually. Maybe something weird is going on with suburban people though.
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lack of affordable/appropriate 3rd spaces to meet new people with the primary aim of dating. Pubs and clubs are not appealing to me. Dating apps are largely terrible because they all prioritize user engagement (flipping through profiles and ads one at a time) instead of matching people. My life is currently work, work, work, come home and collapse on the bed. Weekends: chores and run errands.
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@amorphophalex

I have this very half-baked idea for some kind of absurdly woke not-for-profit matching making service.

It'd be called "Auntie"

You'd pour your heart out to a panel of certified aunties, they'd take some notes and give you the phone number of a nice lesbian or guy or gal or person. (or whatever is appropriate)

The prestige of the organization would be the success of the matches they make.

In most human cultures matchmaking is kind of important and not run by corporations.

@Alex

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@amorphophalex Given my experience of dating apps, I would say this would be far better, more human and effective than what there is today.
@Alex

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@amorphophalex

I'ma start calling my daughter and her best friend my aunties, they set me up with the best friend's mom and it was beautiful

@Alex
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@maypop_neocities

I don't think you sound weak at all. Having a whole aspect of your social self that you can't really talk about normally with your family is hard. And building meaningful connections with people you don't know takes time and is also hard.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

You dont sound weak at all, you sound crazily more self-aware than most 21 year olds. I honestly think life is rough for everyone right now. Even the racist assholes who are "winning" and making things miserable for the rest of us are really losing because they're making things worse for themselves too. So, anyway, keep working at it.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I'm single, have been for 15 years, and have no plans on a relationship. I'm not lonely, and find the whole concept of a male loneliness epidemic to be a pile of crap. Women have standards, and if these men can't meet those standards, the problem is with them, not women.

It's funny, because the premise seems to be that loneliness is exclusively a cis male phenomenon, and that it is based on sexual relationships, when really, everyone can be lonely, and for far more relationships than sexual ones. Another misogynistic tell, in my opinion. Lonely? Why not have some male friends? Because you are not lonely. You are sexually frustrated.

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@Jordi and 1001 Opossums @myrmepropagandist
Where "male loneliness" and cis men coincide is at the point where there are white supremacists, Brahmin supremacists, in the mix and they're necessarily incels.

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@futurebird>cis
Being a heterosexual male is one of the most important roles in a functioning society and these queers hate real men for that role and made up a legally binding slur they engineered to be used as an insult like Gay was used to leverage Queer from faggots and into the laps of the mentally deranged who don't even know what to do with sex but socially masturbate.
faggots get the rope, but traitors first.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist

I'm in my nearly mid 30s. My wife turns 30 today. We waited on a lot of things, including children, because we could not afford them, both time and money.

I see my younger brother struggling to enter the dating pool, which I think is tied to how our society and its interaction within and without itself has changed in the last 20-30 years. I remember the times before cell phones and internet. It's just too easy to stay in and be plugged in. Like a dopamine drip.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

I know three siblings in that age range, two of whom are in long term committed relationships, who have expressed a strict unwillingness to get married.

Why? Because their mom was awful and they saw what their dad had to get through in order to get away from her. Now they’re happy, the mom’s out of the picture, and the dad’s free. But it took decades.

I can see why kids witnessing people suffering broken marriages and messy divorces might sour on the idea of marriage.

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It depends on WHO they are polling. In my 79 long years of existence, I have not been polled, not even once. Take those articles and surveys with a wee grain of salt -- on the order of 500 to 1000 pounds!
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I think the "loneliness epidemic" is because women would rather be alone than date a guy who sucks. This is also true for queer relationships, but it's especially a thing among straight people.

I've heard lesbians have a high divorce rate, but I'm willing to attribute that to the lesbian tendency to U-Haul across the country to be with someone you've never met irl.

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i feel like i'm such an odd person compared to the norm & in such a weird spot in my life that i don't fully count here. but i'm 32, neurodiverse, lgbtq, etc. i'm in school & have a good number of people i'd call school friends. i have close friends who i largely talk to online asynchronously, but see in person sometimes, from a day to n weeks together depending on proximity. some of these friendships have been made more recently than others! some are over a decade old. i don't really have any interest in marriage and have always been distant from dating due to just not feeling compatible with it, maybe transitioning will make me feel different about this. i did have some ~intimate moments~ at a convention recently which was a new and fun experience for me. sometimes i can feel a bit alone but i'm not socially desolate, and i love the friends i have
in reply to myrmepropagandist

So my anecdata to add as someone smack dab in the middle of the age range you stated with both older and younger friends who also fall in that range:

For my wife and I's friends, almost all are unmarried, and the friends who are married seem to be going strong. The few people I know who are divorced had extremely toxic relationships that needed to end. So it seems people are focusing on healthier relationships above all else romantically.

I have observed people generally are really insulated and not going out and spending time with others. Even the middle school and high school in town at release time have next to nobody walking or biking home, and everyone's driving cars, and very few people are hanging out in public afterwards.

My friends are slow to schedule get togethers but we chat regularly digitally. I think everyone having computers to communicate on and provide constant dopamine drips and entertainment is making its effect on society right now and research is starting to show it.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Thank you for bringing this up. It's exactly my experience and I never even noticed until you mentioned it. I don't know if anyone who's divorced in my friend group (so my generation) yet there are plenty of divorces in my family (previous generations).
As for the loneliness epidemic, I think a big factor of it is friendships being torn apart by people having to move to different cities/regions to find work.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Dr. Tressie McMillan Cottom had a really good post the other day about the 'male loneliness' 'crisis' where she observed how the patriarchy creates a social crisis (which demands empathy) out of a personal failing (ie, dudes lack basic social skills and their political/social values aren't hitting it on the marketplace of getting laid).

In the same studies identifying this male loneliness, she saw women are also lonely but funny how that hasn't risen to 'crisis' level.

in reply to myrmepropagandist

i'm early 60s and didn't want kids, didn't have kids, i did get married then divorced and i've been single most of my adult life, i tried to live with people but i found that i'm much happier living by myself and i'm not lonely

tangentially, i find the 'poor men are lonely' to be BS - women adapt and grow and change, men expect everything to be handed to them

men have power and privilege and could change their dynamic overnight, but they don't or won't

that is on them

in reply to myrmepropagandist

idk, I haven't tried dating because idk what I'd put and also im bad at taking pictures.

I find that you don't get much chance to talk to people IRL as everyone likes to keep to themselves, which I do too. Seems dating apps are the only way lol.

I've also heard how dating apps are rigged if you're male so yeah idk, and they always make you pay to see new matches (which I never have cause it's dumb and a scam).

in reply to myrmepropagandist

Im 21 and I feel like that even though there are less people in relationships, theres no lonliness epidemic I can see, as people still have friends
in reply to myrmepropagandist

I am 32 and married. My wife and I have been together since 16.

I can tell you that in our peer group we're outliers. We have a few friends in serious relationships now but almost all of our married friends are 10+ years older. I have a very, very large social group (I'm really extroverted) and there's a LOT of complaints about loneliness and singledom. This seems to be driven by isolation, mental health issues and past abuse giving them an aversion to dating. The silver lining is that those abusive relationships didn't become abusive marriages.

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mid-30s and happily married for 15 years, not interested in having kids. My loneliness has very little to do with my sex life and way more to do with working remotely and living in a small town. When I lived in a big city it was much easier to maintain friendships with people my age, but it’s really hard to develop new friendships with people my age who all have their own friend groups or families and aren’t necessarily seeking out new relationships. Hard to find community spaces that aren’t religious.
in reply to myrmepropagandist

Not that age group, but have read several studies on parts of this.

Dating down
Sex down
Alcohol down
Loneliness up
Suicide up
Also "deaths of despair" up- which captures more than the ICD codes for "suicide"

But also, continuing long-term trend of "civic participation" down. Like for over a century, year on year drop in membership of clubs, teams, unions, groups, etc. Just less engagement in civic activities of all kinds

Unknown parent

lmao imagine wanting to be friends with a bunch of faggots who you have to walk on eggshells with so they don't turn into snakes and bite you

fuck that shit, the only people who are worth keeping as friends is those you can bantz with

not a bunch of homos that go kill christian children the moment you "misgender" them

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@ChristiJunior

Yeah that's me!

your profile on the other hand, indicates that you are having a hard time in life.

you might be less lonely if you decided to approach people in a friendly way, and then you could be kind to them, this makes it easier to make friends.

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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist

..and that's the best you can come up with because a slug has a bigger brain than you have. Surprise surprise surprise--it's the sub-slug who fancies he's human.

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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist
Well well well--the sub-slug is smart enough to know that there's more where that came from.
How about you make a slime trail back to your trailer park, bubba boy. Your moonshine misses you.
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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist
So you think we exist for the sole purpose of scaring you, huh.
No, kid, you're being told to sit down and shut up because your momma didn't want to do it to raise you right.
And I think I hear her calling you. How 'bout that. You sound just like the kind of guy she'd tell to sleep in the basement.
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@wertimer @Twitter
When your face looks like that you ought to be.
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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist
If it acts like a kid, whines like a kid, throw tantrums like a kid, you're a kid. I know 4 year olds who have better conduct. Any given slug supremacist would be within his rights to demand respect from your ilk.

I can see you keep coming back for more, so it's my guess somebody's gonna run a Fedi poll to vote in favor of you & me getting a room, hon. You came here looking for love and now you're stuck with ME. Congratulations.

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@wertimer @myrmepropagandist @Twitter "BleachChan likes this"---adding that ID to the list.
What's cool about all this is that your clusterfuckerage gives me one-stop shopping for instance addresses. 😁

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@Thomas Roiloup @myrmepropagandist @Steve Gisselbrecht @salty "CunnyConnoisseur" apollyon
Yeah, keep on thinking like that. Instances are run by actual people who actually care about this sort of fuckerage and isolation is a bitch when it becomes your personal echo chamber. How do I know? I've seen the results of fedi-isolation on qoto. I've personally seen how well it works. Thanks for playing.

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@Thomas Roiloup @myrmepropagandist @Steve Gisselbrecht @salty "CunnyConnoisseur" apollyon
...predictably. I knew that before you told me.
What's common about you common sub-slugs is that when you're out of thoughts and wits, which is most of the time, the best come-back you can muster is violence--you got nothin', boy. Violence is all you got and even monkeys have better ideas than you do. You got NOTHING.
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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist
Liar. You take me seriously enough to keep coming back for more, boy.
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@wertimer @myrmepropagandist @Twitter
It looks just like you. I'll bet that's on your driver's license, if you have one. You seem to be the type that gets yours revoked.
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@Twitter @myrmepropagandist
Well, my old bones are gonna take a break from you for now so don't pine for me--tomorrow is another day and I'll be back. I do take pity on your not having a date on this Saturday night, boy. Young'uns like you being on here as entertainment for senior citizens is hilarious, but I've gotta make book on you being an incel. Nighty night!
in reply to myrmepropagandist

in real life, I have been an auntie for only 8 years, but I think spiritually I have always been an auntie. It is my calling.

So, sign me up

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@claralistensprechen5th @thomasroiloup @stevegis_ssg @rlier23

Go for it, paint yourselves into the faggot corner with the other gelded faggots, faggot. Keep threatening us with a more heterosexual fedi experience, please.