"This is nothing new. Operating on Tor for over 12 years, we knew going in that we would have infrastructure in xx-eyes countries and be subject to potential sniffing.
I'll let you in on a little secret. The time people spend obsessing about hiding from the government puts you in a de facto state of servitude to them. They do not require any form of operation psychological or physical space. Most people have created their own psyop.
If all of this bothers you, cut your fibre line and live in a cave."
—Some Redditor who is almost certainly unknown to me, who has either chosen or been chosen to delete their account since; posted on September 11th the same year Biden was elected, at just after 1 AM UTC, of all the days and of all the times it could've been…
I needed to read that, especially now and especially in light of recent events, and I cannot possibly be alone in that regard.
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#infosec #privacy #privacyMatters #USpol #Freedom #Tor #FourteenEyes
SpaceLifeForm
in reply to Day Use X Mockin' Uh • • •Using Tor just creates attention.
[Edit to clarify] I was not clear. I am referring to attention via traffic analysis.
Unus Nemo
in reply to SpaceLifeForm • •@SpaceLifeForm @Day Use X Mockin' Uh
Not really, I have been using Tor for around 20 years now and have gotten no attention at all because of it. I use it extensively for IoT and never once has anyone question why I was using Tor.
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Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @Samuel Lison
Typically speaking your ISP will only give you a hard time about an Exit Node if you have a residential account. This is due to the high volume of traffic that occurs over Tor.
In important fact to keep in mind is that you do not get to choose whether your node is used as an entry, middle or exit node. That is decided by the Tor network itself. Always changing the nodes up on a circuit on continuous use to avoid any one node from getting to much information.
Now, you have to explicitly setup a relay or bridge. They are specific types of nodes for a different issue.
Your Entry is typically decided based on proximity and latency, the middle will be random and changed frequently, the exit is determined by proximity to your target. Though keep in mind that if you are going
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Typically speaking your ISP will only give you a hard time about an Exit Node if you have a residential account. This is due to the high volume of traffic that occurs over Tor.
In important fact to keep in mind is that you do not get to choose whether your node is used as an entry, middle or exit node. That is decided by the Tor network itself. Always changing the nodes up on a circuit on continuous use to avoid any one node from getting to much information.
Now, you have to explicitly setup a relay or bridge. They are specific types of nodes for a different issue.
Your Entry is typically decided based on proximity and latency, the middle will be random and changed frequently, the exit is determined by proximity to your target. Though keep in mind that if you are going to a Onion Service (a site on a Tor Server) then you have no exit and the Onion server just becomes your destination.
Onion Services are great for IoT.
a certificate.
There are many practical uses of Tor and there is no compelling reason at all to use a VPN & Tor that will only add additional unwanted latency. If you really do not want your ISP to know you are using Tor for some reason then just use a Bridge.
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Unknown parent • •@Samuel Lison @Day Use X Mockin' Uh
I would keep doing that if it works for you. The best approach for you is the one your comfortable with.
I do not care for the extra latency so I do not use a VPN on a Torrified connection.
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Unus Nemo
Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @Samuel Lison
I know how you feel. I am a developer and if I have to work on someone else's machine it leaves me without many of my tools. A lot of scripts and programs I have written that I use and never think about until they are not there 😉.
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Unus Nemo
Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @Samuel Lison
I agree, that is all I use Tor for too so I can completely identify with where you are coming from.
Unus Nemo
Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @Samuel Lison
I have considered Dvorak for many years though at this point it would just aggravate my old arse 😉. I type very well on QWERTY so at 55 I am just not going to bother to retrain myself to type on another system even if it is more efficient.
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Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @SpaceLifeForm
Day Use X Mockin' Uh wrote:
This is true and by design. Keep in mind that Google, Meta and all the other Marketers that cannot steal our information when we use Tor feel like it is a good idea to Demonize Tor. The make sure to try to make people feel guilty for wanting their privacy.
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Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @Samuel Lison
I will keep that in mind as I have difficulties with my left hand because of nerve damage from when piece of rebar went through my shoulder in Pakistan. I may have to learn a new trick after all if it would be easier on my left hand as I do not for see the problem getting any better.
Unus Nemo
Unknown parent • •These days I develop software for my own needs and projects and for work I Audit and Load Trucks with a fork lift. I lost my credit and with that I lost my position as a Software Architect. I do not really care. I have different priorities these days than I did decades ago.
Do not get me wrong, I intend to correct my credit and get back into IT though for now the bills still have to be paid.
Unus Nemo
Unknown parent • •@Samuel Lison @SpaceLifeForm @Day Use X Mockin' Uh
Though the Dark Web is not just on Tor, it is also on the clear net. Your average user does not even know what the Dark Web v Deep Web are and have no idea what part Tor plays in this. Though those that profit from our information want to demonize Tor be sure of that.
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Unknown parent • •@Day Use X Mockin' Uh @SpaceLifeForm
Even when I did work with other developers I never met any that believed that Tor was intrinsically bad. The people I worked with were educated and knew better. Most of them used Tor themselves.
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SpaceLifeForm
Unknown parent • • •The best way to get a lot of people to use Tor is to use it on Android.
The last time I tried this, it was horribly slow, likely because the phone is old and memory constrained.
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in reply to SpaceLifeForm • •@SpaceLifeForm @Day Use X Mockin' Uh
Phones and Tablets are a lot faster today. You will find it far more acceptable. Though if true anonymity is an issue and you are not just evading telemetry then you should never use a mobile device at all. They have to many other vulnerabilities built in. Though this would not be an issue for the vast majority of us and is certainly not an issue for me.
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SpaceLifeForm
in reply to Unus Nemo • • •Scenario: Use phone in airplane mode, then Tor over WiFi.
Unus Nemo
in reply to SpaceLifeForm • •@SpaceLifeForm @Day Use X Mockin' Uh
Airplane mode will turn off networking which will kill Tor. Though you could turn off WiFi and use Tor on your mobile data. The reason why no Mobile device is safe for anonymity becomes apparent when you start looking at the Android Development Environment. A significant part of the processing requires a round trip to Google's Servers for lots of tasks. So any app could jeopardize your anonymity. The same with IOS this is why mobile devices are not recommended for anonymity.
For most of us this is a non-issue and will not effect us at all. Because we are just trying to avoid being tracked and all of the telemetry. We are not concerned with being truly anonymous or as anonymous as one can be on an international network.
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in reply to Unus Nemo • • •@unusnemo
It may depend upon Android version or the OEM hacks.
I turn on Airplane Mode but still use WiFi.
Does not mean that this usage pattern will not be leaked to the mothership later though.