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People get this s*** wrong all the time
Honestly the thing that would heal our country most is getting all these boomers out of their seats and replacing them with younger individuals who have better mental acuity. After that's been achieved, then maybe we could do the whole representation for marginalized groups thing. We shouldn't do the marginalized thing first because we will get just as many problematic individuals who just happen to be boomers just saying
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I can’t stop thinking about the redistricting in TN. My cousin, who practically lived as my only brother for years after his parents passed away, died indigent in TN. I had to dig his belongings out of insects and food waste and pay for his cremation. He was 38. There were no mental support services
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He got sicker and sicker and there were pretty much zero support services for the poor outside temperamental churches there. Public transport was dismal. He had horrible chronic health problems the ERa couldn’t address.
I wish I could have gotten him out but he wasn’t in a mental state to consent.
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It’s super cool that a state that would let a person under 40 vanish and die in a pile of rubbish with next to no mental, physical, or living support is focusing on important stuff like making sure a couple blue dots can’t have elected representatives.
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💔 humans can be so 🤯
I’m very sorry for your loss. Red states are run by monsters. I live in Indiana, I’d love to move.
@Seedling They are monsters.
I have never experienced the way I feel about them.
If this is anything like how they feel everyday w their racism….. what a waste of oxygen they are.
I have never experienced the way I feel about them.
If this is anything like how they feel everyday w their racism….. what a waste of oxygen they are.
@Seedling
I think that's the line we have to start using, Republicans are simply monsters. We say "the cruelty is the point" but I don't think people get it. It really is their point, I think they get off on it.
I think that's the line we have to start using, Republicans are simply monsters. We say "the cruelty is the point" but I don't think people get it. It really is their point, I think they get off on it.
i'm so sorry...
it's unconscionable that these politicians are so heartless. it's worse that they cloak this in claims of religion and morality. they have no morals; just hate.
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I am heartbroken and FURIOUS for you both. I am so sorry. I hope we find a way to throw all these bastards out of office and prosecute the corrupt and criminal. And build a system so that this can never happen again.
💔 My heart breaks.
More than half my friends died on the streets because of institutional and state neglect.
They were awesome people.
No one would help them out and off the streets. The demands imposed for assistance were onerous and arbitary, and they could be ejected from aid programmes on a whim.
People are cruel.
People with authority are more cruel.
It must stop.
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I am so sorry for your loss. The lack of essential health services is indeed shocking.
Here in Europe I started calling the USA the 'fourth world' because in key aspects the situation seems worse than what we see in many 'third world' countries these days.
That’s horrible. I’m glad he had you; I only wish he could have had the full support he needed and deserved.
@odd My wife and I moved to #TN from #IN in December 2024. The Hoosier State is messed up in oh so many ways, but it’s got nothing on Tennessee. I am amazed on a daily basis about how backward things are here. Not only that, but how many people think that’s just fine and dandy. There’s a lot I like about Knoxville, where we live, but the state as a whole can take a flying leap as far as I’m concerned. And now the jerks in Nashville are going to make sure that things will never change.
I’m so sorry.
The lack of respect for human beings in this country literally makes my soul ache.
Bless the souls of your cousin 🙏🏼❤️
The lack of respect for human beings in this country literally makes my soul ache.
Bless the souls of your cousin 🙏🏼❤️
Oh my god. I'm so sorry for your loss. Also, one more reason why people who endorse a bs neo-secession should be quiet.
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Fuuuuuck. I’m sorry.
Fuuuuuck. I’m sorry.
So sorry to hear that.
Our (I live in Nashville) state legislature is horrible. What they did in Memphis today is the same thing they did to Nashville a few years ago, when my district was carved up. Nashville and Memphis no longer have urban districts of their own. They’ve been split up and absorbed into the surrounding rural districts.
I'm sorry your cousin had to pay for the greed of those politicians. If only there was a way for those greedy bastards to take his place in the ground. 🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂
Oh, I'm so sorry. The South is a very fucked up place.
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and then, everything changed when the fire aura attacked
That’s pretty corny, but I’m nomad about it.
back in my day we had to forage for our aura, and the path to the aura spot was uphill both ways
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They further describe "heaven" as having streets lined with gold. People will swallow a whole lot on "faith" won't they?
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No, there is absolutely no irony: religion (at least those with eschatological ontology) needs the metaphysical, the beyond, the possibility of "immanentizing the Eschaton" scares the shit out of them because it destroys despair in this world and the need for submission to their rules and sacrifice in this life for those rewards in the life beyond.
@Illuminatus always found it telling of who they really are that their worldview forbids trying to bring about the conditions of heaven lol
Socialism is in the bible - there's this bit where a gang of disciples pool their assets, if I remember correctly from school all those decades ago.
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Not all of them pooled their assets. Lying about holding back some assets was a grievous sin. Note not the holding back, the lying.
Absolutely bonkers and utter hypocrisy!!
If you extend it a bit, you'll be able to see the why; why the blank-check acceptance of very badly disguised "benevolent" authoritarians.
If you extend it a bit, you'll be able to see the why; why the blank-check acceptance of very badly disguised "benevolent" authoritarians.
Hmmm... Let's see. They won't be able to spend time sneering at poor people, demeaning the sick, chuckling with pals about buying off the Government, cornering markets, competing with fellow fat rats over the most expensive car/ airplane/ villa /island/ ranch/ wardrobe/... , savoring that the "losers" aren't eating caviar...
They won't have any of their pleasures!
But real Christians can enjoy thinking of them surrounded by other fat rats, all singing hymns, 24/7 ➡️ ♾️
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They further describe "heaven" as having streets lined with gold. People will swallow a whole lot on "faith" won't they?
@PerryM I mean... Would gold streets even be good? Seems like they wouldn't offer good traction for vehicles and be too cold and hard on the feet. Why not streets paved with clouds or the fluff and purr of kittens without the guilt of wearing them as mittens?
huh ya know what…?
They think of heaven that way because they believe only people exactly like them will be there. It's consistent with their world view because it's all only for them.
The description of heaven is not quite fitting when it comes to Christianity. The Christian heaven has a hierarchy of people nearer to god and people farer from him. So a rich and priviliged Christian can die believing that he will have a better place in heaven than all the other peasants, at least when he is free of sin and did all the sacraments...
@ennopark
The bible often states Gods shows no favoritism. There is also the parable of the poor man in heaven and the rich man suffering in hell.
Pretty sure they describe heaven as a place where they'll "have a mansion just over the hilltop" and it's a "bright land where we'll never grow old."
Marxism also emerged from the Abrahamic monotheistic tradition, only with heaven relocated from the afterlife to the human world. The United States is a right-wing country that has long been hostile to welfare policies, yet its culture core is also so called WASP — which is, in fact, a contradiction in itself.
However, in reality, many countries that have implemented Marxism have turned into entities where a small clique monopolizes the distribution of resources.
@TurquoiseC it's why marxism and "communism" will never work.
Human beings suck, universally.
I don't think those are the same religious people. Those who are invested in God's economy are not generally those who are invested in empire/nationalism. Even though they might claim the same religion.
Uhm.....Catholics on line two. They'd like a word with you about this 'classless heaven' presumption.
The above is a description of communism.
Socialism was declared an intermediate stage before communism; the latter was never built.
Socialism was declared an intermediate stage before communism; the latter was never built.
@vnikolov In Poland, we have this libertarian journalist who, whenever the government does anything, shouts, "It's socialism." He builds roads, modernizes railways, whatever. We have a good railway. So, socialism works.
Socialism is oligarchy of government. It has very little to do with classless or heaven... some pigs are more equal than others in socialism's power dynamic by definition.
@Scrimshaw9 I think what you miss in animal farm, presuming you've read it, is that the pigs are also the animals that interface with the human world and their behavior becomes ever more like that of the farmer who they revolted against in the first place. Are they inherently corrupt or is their sway towards capitalism the corrupting force?
I feel Orwell was a better writer than most of the people who quote him.
Christians, yes.
Muslim paradise is quite different and misogynistic, separate heavens for men, married women and maidens.
Valhalla is even worse.
Basically just a promise of everything you want as long as you toe the line.
Muslim paradise is quite different and misogynistic, separate heavens for men, married women and maidens.
Valhalla is even worse.
Basically just a promise of everything you want as long as you toe the line.
@wvi Perhaps because there would be unlimited resources in heaven.
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normally I'd say "well darn, guess you need to finish the bottle..." but in this case - WTF are you doing with a wine cork?
@mathaetaes So, I made some white wine (several years ago!), and I don't drink wine fast enough... and no one I know is really into homebrewed wine... so I have been trying to figure out what to do with the rest, lol. I thought I'd try catching slugs with it, and I opened a bottle, and put the wine cork on top of the garden bed cover last night, and now it's gone. After seeing a squirrel run by with what I swear was my wine cork.
I didn't know you drank wine at all.
I should've figured you'd try to brew it.
You could further ferment it into white wine vinegar. There's lots of uses for that.
@mathaetaes I'd definitely use more vinegar than wine! Good idea... I will have to look that up. (making vinegar) I don't really drink wine, lol... not a lot of tolerance for alcohol in general!
I remembered you saying you didn't really drink... thus the question about wine in the first place 😀
Are you sure it wasn't Mr. Jingles?
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No, I think you're on to something. Get the squirrels passout drunk and they won't be able to eat your greenery. 😆
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If you’re going to leave out some wine, be sure to leave some cheese as well.
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If leaving out wine and cheese, may as well leave some fruit and dried meats out as well.
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@SuperMoosie @paul_ipv6 @larand LOL great, just what I need, to wrestle 50-60 squirrels into small raincoats
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or maybe just 50-60 squirrels shoved into one big raincoat...
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@larand Sounds like the party is getting started.
It might only get you better reviews on Squirrel Yelp.
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i thought he liked mcdonalds...
i thought he liked mcdonalds...
What wine pairs well with ill-gotten garden gains?
Yes your honour, I was intoxicated at the time, but I blame the squirrel...
Dewd. You are SO corked.
could be. i hear that trivets made from wine bottle corks are quite trendy in some squirrel communities.
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I’m imagining a bunch of squirrels, passing around your wine cork and sniffing it and then commenting sardonically on your tastes.
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Great first sentence 10/10 would definitely read this novel.
Not quite long or convoluted enough for the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest. But a good start.
"It was a dark and stormy night..."
something, something wine corks and squirrels...
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Digital sundial. I kind of want one that displays roman numerals.
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This is the clock on my phone.
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Can you tell the time on an analogue clock?
Boost for my sanity
- Yes (98%, 4738 votes)
- No (1%, 69 votes)
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but wot is
time ? 🤔🤷
one has to know the right time of day for peak merkan tourists happening along...
not many merkans around here but tourists, why, yes. 😀
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Time is just a myth perpetuated by the manufacturers of Space.
Time is just a myth perpetuated by the manufacturers of Space.
hey, but space is really big! i mean, you might think it's a long way to the chemist's, but that's nothing compared to space! 🐳🌻
@MsDropbear42 not if you’re desperate for something at the chemist’s! 🤭
@MsDropbear42 @cptbutton Oh, no. Not again.
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"Time is a tool you can put on the wall
Or wear it on your wrist
The past is far behind us;
The future doesn't exist"
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"Time is a tool you can put on the wall
Or wear it on your wrist
The past is far behind us;
The future doesn't exist"
@MelissaBearTrix
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Time takes a cigarette ....
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"Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." -- The Flying Karamozov Brothers
"Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." -- The Flying Karamozov Brothers
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Vashta Nerada probably more scary
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I was always always terrified of those statues.
I was always always terrified of those statues.
@feather1952 @MsDropbear42 It wasn't just the Angels who were weeping!
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will they ever see our face again?will they ever see our face again?will they ever see our face again?
no way, get fucked, fuck off
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will they ever see our face again?will they ever see our face again?will they ever see our face again?
no way, get fucked, fuck off
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I recently started wearing an analogue wristwatch again, so yeah. I got one with numbers rather than indicator marks cus that's my preference, but I CAN use a numberless analouge clock too if I have to.
I am the kid from that one image that's just a drawing of a digital clock with the prompt "draw a clock that shows 10 minutes past 11" so what do you think
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My youngish coworkers are so confused when I use terms like "half past" or "a quarter to"
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I became worse at it over time. But I learned it as a child and can still do it when necessary. Just not as quickly as I used to.
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if they don't teach this in schools anymore I am severely disappointed
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I can't read the time with digital clocks. I look at one, see numbers, brain fizzes out.
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Since I am a left/right leghastenic (,I am right on exactly 50 per cent or as my driving instructor said "this time we'll take the turn to the OTHER left) I need the hours marked. Otherwise I might confuse three with nine ...
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yes but in all honesty it takes me a second to properly comprehend it cuz naturally i think in 24h format time more than 12h format and i kinda have to convert in my head
I sadly have to admit that I always have to think about it. It is not automatic reading a analog clock. Simply the offset in hours to military time is something I always have to convert in my brain.
So I prefer digital clocks or a combination.
Yes, but not always. Sometimes it feels like nonsense.
i clicked no, even though i can, because i hate analog clocks
Can I tell you? Yes. Fast? No. Do i consider it obsolete to not use digital clocks, that just show the numbers directly? Yes.
Its just more convenient to use digital.
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That it is, I have a digital clock that I use to set the time of all other clocks and watches
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@Dexruus some people find reading and calculating hours easier on face clocks. See for instance youtube.com/watch?v=NeopkvAP-a…
@mdione Yeah, thats true and I basically forgot that @TechConnectify has made a video (that I even watched) about that. But to make a point; I never spoke about "banning" the technology either.
Tbh "analogue" watches are also somewhat of an "Accessibility"-layer, since technically "reading" the clock is easier with clockhands, when it comes to disabilities (like memory issues or impairment of vision/brain function, or just simple dyslexia).
And I am ALWAYS for accessibility.
I just can't be on time, on an analogue clock... or a digital clock 😂
I voted yes, but I find digital clocks much more convenient. The digital (24h) representation is pretty much how time is stored in my brain, reading an analog clock requires 'translation' for me to 'get' it, and that after taking longer (a few seconds rather than just a glance) to see what it says. So I'll get by with analog but digital is way more convenient for me.
Interestingly, my husband has it the other way round.
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I have to say, I do like the 24 hours time and digital better, it's easy to set other timepieces by
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Interesting, I grew up with 12h analog and both 12h and 24h digital types of clocks around so they all work for me.
Interesting, I grew up with 12h analog and both 12h and 24h digital types of clocks around so they all work for me.
@Eka_FOOF_A @wynke I'm perfectly OK with analogue 24 hour clocks as well. I hate clocks that are wrong, so my house is filled with clocks that show time derived from atom clocks. All clocks in my house, 'analog' as well as digital are accurate to within milliseconds, and two are accurate to ~50ns from TAI
i can, but my young daughter prefers not to: too much hassle for her 😀
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@paulk even if you have to tell someone else the time?😏
@dxzdb You mean like ten to five in the afternoon instead of 16:50?
Absolutely!
I can, but I always need a second to make sense of it. It's just not intuitive to me
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That's the clock's fault ... It might be too busy ... Hugz
Like the hands are similar and nearly the same size
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Why is this even a question?
Oh right, boost for sanity. Don't tell me. I wanna keep the shreds if mine.
Keep up the great work people ... And sorry if you keep seeing this poll in your feed ... Nah, I'm not ... Giggles
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@stiefkind All my watches are analog.
@phranck Even that one on your oven? And in your car? And on your mobile phone in the upper left corner? I'm deeply impressed 😀
@stiefkind All these aren't watches! 😜
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Whether analogue or digital, it's always time to punch a Nazi 😁
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I honestly try to, but the best guess I've been able to come up with is still 50:50.
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really depends on the design of the clock tbh
if it's just two hands with no digits then yeah no fuck that I'm just looking at the position of the sun to determine the time of day
I know you'd enjoy this video if you haven't already seen it. youtu.be/NeopkvAP-ag
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Thanks for this video. I have always preferred clocks with hands over digital clocks, but couldn't really articulate why. This video clarified it beautifully. I am responding to the visual "progress bar" which lets me see at a glance how long a time has passed and how long still remains and where I am in relation to both. That's it exactly!
Thanks for this video. I have always preferred clocks with hands over digital clocks, but couldn't really articulate why. This video clarified it beautifully. I am responding to the visual "progress bar" which lets me see at a glance how long a time has passed and how long still remains and where I am in relation to both. That's it exactly!
@CommonSparrow Yeah, and I love how he was like "If you're taking the hands and converting them to numbers, yeah analog clocks are kind of bad and stupid... But I'm not doing that." Trying to explain an entirely different way of thinking to people who don't just grasp that there even IS a fundamental difference to be had.
I know young adults who can't do it 🙈
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I can also tell the time on this #Counterclock…
I really should put a new battery in that sometime…
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When I see a reverse clock it gives me a nightmare ... A had a customer that I had to source 30 of them
And all different, pre internet too ... Giggles
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Chortle. I bought one because I was a fan of the Spider Robinson Callahan’s stories.
When I first got it I pulled a classic funny-once prank at work by sneaking in early one morning to replace one of the wall clocks there. The expressions on my co-workers faces as they tried to work past the “DOES NOT COMPUTE” messages their brains were giving them were hilarious.
But it’s very much a funny-ONCE joke, I never did that again. 😀
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@arcadiagt5 Make sure not to put the battery the wrong way around
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Ah. another enjoyer of counterclocks.
When I was young we only had one of those at home. I was better at reading them then I was at reading normal ones. My mom often said it was a Belgian clock due to them being the source of a lot of jokes in the Netherlands.
Now that clock is hanging in my place, confusing all the people that visit.
When I was young we only had one of those at home. I was better at reading them then I was at reading normal ones. My mom often said it was a Belgian clock due to them being the source of a lot of jokes in the Netherlands.
Now that clock is hanging in my place, confusing all the people that visit.
Sometimes I mix up some stuff for whatever reason, also I need longer to read the time on an analog one.
As I was still wearing smart watches I always used an analog watch face as I think they look better as a worn clock than digital ones.
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Clearly I'm the only one who said no. To explain that, I could but I forgot how. The last time I had a tactile/Braille watch was when I was a kid which is a long time ago, and I can't remember which hand is which.
I've always found those watches cumbersome so have used digital ones since.
I've always found those watches cumbersome so have used digital ones since.
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I have a collection of braille and watches for the sight impaired, and yeah they are hard to work out ... Hugz
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Yeah I know people who can do it instantly. Dunno why they call them braille when it's not. I suppose the dots are similarly spaced like the 3 dots to indicate 12.
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That would be nice, but with real diamonds ... Giggles
I've seen pictures of very old pocket watches that used some unusual ways to help sight impaired people to feel the time
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I mean, I _can_ but I feel annoyed about it. When they taught me as a kid I kept thinking "but we can write the numbers now, why do I need to learn to read it this way?". I still mostly feel the same way.
In a sense you could say that an analogue clock is... anachronistic?
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I say no, nope ... No way
I'm finding a lot more people wanting an analogue clocks
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I'm sure that's true, but that doesn't mean there's any deeper reason to use analogue time pieces except as jewelery. I believe it's a lot quicker and more effective to read numbers than to parse a clock with hands.
Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the beauty of a mechanical clock, or that people shouldn't buy them, just... It's not mainly about keeping time, is it? Nothing wrong with that.
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@CarstenBoll I find an analog face much quicker. I usually want to know the time only approximately and that's also easier. And duration: I can see how much time is left to finish teaching my class in a quick glance. For me, digital tire readouts are a regression.
I mean, you do you, but we are not all the same.
And besides, what would I have done all those times when I was depressed lying i bed watching the minute hand move?
I mean, you do you, but we are not all the same.
And besides, what would I have done all those times when I was depressed lying i bed watching the minute hand move?
my kids had issues reading an analogue clock (especially with Roman numerals) until we put one in the living room. They were taught in school but they never had much practical experience.
what are clocks
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I find this clock the easiest to read
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@dwillanski wat about this one youtu.be/et2g6TvcI84?feature=s…
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@Antke won't fit on the windowsill
@dwillanski ah, that will be a problem. Didn't think about that, sorry😂
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You can make one of your own...
@dwillanski mathematical challenge: produce the smallest possible square of letters out of which all times can be produced
I will be able to work out your password, date of birth and shoe size ... Giggles
Because I had a customer that said that they can't ... She finds it very difficult
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@treknor is she dyslexic?
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I mean it takes a lot longer but yeah
Assuming of course it's properly functioning and set...
Speaking of which... Still need to replace that watch battery. Which means getting a battery (probably multiple) for it.
You should just get one and a good brand, even if it's a bit more expensive... It shouldn't leak, it will run longer and it's best not to have "spare" ones, as they only have a short shelf life ... Hugz
And if you need to ask me, I'll help
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As I was typing that, I was wondering if there is any reason to get more than you're likely to use in short time. Because I don't know if they really have much more than a 12 month shelf life (at least in terms of being reasonably likely to give expected life, without leaking).
I actually think it's easier to read time on an analogue clock. Easier to divide duration too.
I once had to explain to someone what the strikes and chimes meant on a clock tower, because they were complaining about it ringing so much.
Another poll showing that we are all Millennials and Gen X here.
@futzle My youngest is 12 and can read analog clocks.
yes, but they make funny noises when I stand on them and look at the digital clock radio...
My accuracy depends on whether or not it's got all 60 of the usual markings around the face.
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just finished this one. Still adjusting to reading the time quickly.
That is a bit of a trick ... Give it a day or three ... Giggles
Do yourself a favour, dust it regularly ... If you have compressed air, make sure it isn't moist or drops when the air comes out
Why, the dust will turn to concrete, and the moisture will swell the "wood"
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It has just 3 wheels (and 2 pinions). The internal teeth mean they all turn the same direction. I am in awe of Clayton Boyer’s design skills - he has built so many wildly different clocks.
And published plans for them all!
I promise to keep dusting mine.
@yourfutureex We have a friend that cannot read analog clocks. She’s a schoolteacher. It’s slightly concerning.
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@yourfutureex In her defense, she’s an art teacher.
But still…
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@Doubleaa As long as there are articles about "how to read military time", I'm not even surprised 🤷♀️
@saramg probably more relevantly, my teenage children can also tell time on an analog clock
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yes I can, but it takes me at least five seconds and an ugly dumb face. 🤣
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@TicklishHoneyBee In primary school I seem to recall a unit in math class about reading time on an analog clock. It continues to be my preferred way of telling time. (I have a watch that has dots on the number positions; I lift the crystal to read it.
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yes, and I believe my kids can too
Well I can repair analog clocks. Mechanical most of the time., quartz it's a replace the timing module. Digital, forget it, unrepairable, fault is usually under that blob of tar on the PCB.
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yes, +/- 12 hours.
Noting I still wear a solar quartz analogue watch on my wrist.
Noting I still wear a solar quartz analogue watch on my wrist.
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yes but it was a near thing
Yes I can, though it can sometimes take a while 😝
I prefer analogue clocks.
No, cause I don't have one. How would I use something I don't have to tell the time? /s
Is your question a serious question, and why question a poll ... Are you one of those people that when someone asks you a question you dismiss them ... Is your question serious ?
And yes it is, I had a client in today that said they couldn't tell the time ... You know what I did, I helped them, and didn't put them down or return with something dismissive
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During my last physical, I was asked to draw hands on a blank clock face to show a specific time. The nurse said that's a standard test they give after you pass a certain age.
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Both of my children can use them too
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i can only tell the time from midnight till noon because it only goes up to 12 
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Follow-up question:
Can you dial a number on a rotary dial phone?
Can you dial a number on a rotary dial phone?
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- WTF is a rotary dial? (0 votes)
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I've noticed it's a bit harder to use a rotary phone than most people who've never used one think. Not hard, but you have to know not to impede the dial as it returns.
You sometimes see people reenacting olde-times who pause to say something with their finger still in the dial half way returned and I think, well that's not going to work!
@duncan_blues yes and I can dial a number on a rotatory dial phone *without* touching the dial. Used to think this was a very cool trick.
@swift @duncan_blues much easier if the number you're calling doesn't have many digits greater than five.
But works well to show why the padlock in the 1 isn't as useful as one might think, even when @Alice isn't around.
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Tried multiple times on this British Telecom 8746 (it is live and connected to a PBX) but without success even for 3 digit extensions, its a late model (from 1980s, they were still in use until mid 1990s) and I think BT may have altered the switchhook design to make this practice harder.
Decided to abandon the experiment in the end before I inadvertently send 112 down the register, and have to tell the Operator "apologies, engineer misdialled emergency number whilst testing VOIP equipment, no Emergency Services required" - which they are generally OK with as its not that uncommon an occurrence, but I'd rather not take up their resources..
yes and I deliberately installed an analog watch face on my smart watch. I much prefer a watch with analog hands over digits. My favorite wrist watch is a purely mechanical one with automatic (self winding up) gears.
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Being 54, yeah, but these days it'll take me a few moments to parse it, as I prefer digital.
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this made me wonder about something... before mechanical time pieces, how did people keep time after the sun went down or on days cloudy enough to make a sundial unreadable?
Surely there were some attempts to keep time under those conditions!
@sysop408 You can use marked candles to some extent?
@lnr I'm not familiar with those. I presume those are candles that are made with segments indicating X number of hours?
Besides reliability how common would these be in pre-industrial times? I heard a podcast once where they tried to illustrate how expensive light was in pre-industrial times by making their own candles the old fashioned way.
@sysop408 It's hard to search for, because I just keep finding links to fake LED candles with timers instead, but this looks like a basic little video on using candles to mark time:
youtube.com/shorts/7VnfdU8hHtg
I think people would have informally marked time to some extent with how long they had to work in the evening before their candle burnt out! Or how long their lamp would burn before needing refilling.
Aha, look:
@lnr OK, wow... that alarm clock bit of trivia in that video was something I didn't not expect!
I actually had wondered a bit about that too. There had to be people who needed some way to wake up reliably before the first rooster crowed.
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M-maybe, with enough time, I can tell time on analog clock. ^^ It's been like 2 years since I've bought my first analogue clock and it run out of batteries twice, so I haven't been using it for a bit. But now I'm returning to it, since my smartphone runs out of batteries too fast too. ^^"
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yes, but I've had a student ask me during a proctored test what time it was, because they couldn't read the clock. I was shocked for a moment, and then realized, this is not what they're being tested on and I should make every effort to remove this barrier. So that's my take on it, in every circumstance where it's not my business, which so far is all of them.
Aah, you mean a normal non-digital clock, Ofc. Though I read it like a 24h one.
Yes but I'm much faster and more accurate with a digital one.
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I answered yes, but many of the freshmen I teach can't.
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I couldn't for a long time and then was very slow for a whole, but surpringly (to myself) I eventually managed to learn.
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Several years ago I wanted to get better at reading analog clocks at a glance, so I set my watch face to analog with no numerals. Forced practice!
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"yes, mostly"
like sight-singing: takes mental capacity to process and is prone to fail.
like sight-singing: takes mental capacity to process and is prone to fail.
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By "analog clock" do you mean one with hands that go around? Or do you mean one with sand that drips from top to bottom?
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@gdinwiddie I have a fairly reliable water clock that goes off at regular intervals overnight
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@hook
Can you?
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@musevg, how is this analogue? It is using base of 5, similar to the face of an analogue clock, but that's about it.
Very cool though, thanks 😄
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@hook It doesn't have digits. So it must be analogue 😁
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it's also much better than digital for doing quick time calculations!
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@badrihippo For me it's the opposite, I'm good at math so digital time calculations are fairly easy for me, while for an analog clock I need to convert it in my head to digital first
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Yes I can!
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I have no idea ... And would think they are people's names ... And how confused I would be every minute ... Giggles
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It's part of the cognitive test, which is fine for now, but they are going to have to change that before the newest generation gets old.
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Yes but I hate it, I switch everything I can to digital. I had a flippy digital (but analogue!) clock as a yout'.
I can, it's just slower than a clock with numbers
I see time in clock faces. I convert digital readouts into analog hands to understand them.
My university, UCL got rid of clocks in our teaching spaces twenty years ago “on ground of cost” (seriously? WTF?) The stress of being time-blind and trying to fit into 50 mins gracefully has plagued me ever since.
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@kookie With some ambiguity over 8/20 etc.
look... people here on fedi are not a representative sample. My bet is on 30-50% of people in western countries can't read the clock in a non self-reported study 🥲
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Can I *be* on time with an analogue clock, or any clock, or any number of clocks? Um.......
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Of course! In fact, I've taken to wearing an analog watch again...
@MxAlba
We have returned to analog watches as well.
We have returned to analog watches as well.
Sometimes I forget to wind it and it falls behind and isn't accurate but generally yes.
Yea, and tho I prefer the numbers, I really like how the analog dials visually show the progression as a cycle, rather than "well you see this one resets to 00 after 59, but this one resets to either 00 after 23, or 01 after 12, flipping the morning/evening indicator one increment earlier"
@Snapai Oh no - I'm sorry… I shouldn't have said “corrected”. Another colour / color moment. 😊
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someone on twitter belives that 24 hours format is used only by soldiers 🥲
as a wearer of a mechanical watch, yes.
i would like to also add: i find analog watchfaces much more intuitive and easier to read than digital ones. like...
takes out phone, turns it on, looks at time, processes what the numbers mean: "what is this?"
looks at wrist: "ah yes, i have overslept"
takes out phone, turns it on, looks at time, processes what the numbers mean: "what is this?"
looks at wrist: "ah yes, i have overslept"
I know the time faster when looking on analog clock (unlike digital).
awawawawawawa i needed some 
My 13 year old is working on it. They kind of had that bit of school maths lessons during covid lockdown, so it didn't sink in very well, but having a big analogue clock in the living room helps a lot.
analog clocks are still installed absolutely everywhere in the real world. not knowing how to read them is almost unfathomable to me, but I don't think schools around here even teach that skill any more
Sometimes I'm embarrassed at how slow I am at reading analogue time, but I suppose I should give myself credit that I *am* still in the demographic of people who manage to get there in the end 😅
Some clocks are harder to read ... I read them all day and some I have to have a dibble take ... Hugz
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Yes on Regular & Reversed clocks.
Reversed ones are easier though being a lefty.
I prefer Roman Numerals or just markers over numbers, partial dyslexia.
Reversed ones are easier though being a lefty.
I prefer Roman Numerals or just markers over numbers, partial dyslexia.
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I don't get why they had to subdivide the smallest division into *four* instead of *five* though! That threw me for a bit 😵💫
yes, but it took me a long time to learn as a kid and i still hate analog clocks
Yes and it feels more… natural? intuitive? 🤷🏻
When I'm doing time mental "math" (for instance to take timezones into account), I always do it through visualizing an analog clock in my mind, it feels easier to mentaly move the hands of the clock than do actual math.
Edit: watched the Technology Connextras shared above and I’m the same as him, that’s a great explanation.
I miss having an analogue watch, I should get a new one…
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interesting to see so many different strong opinions here. Analog and digital are both fine for me, though I imagine I might struggle with a 24h analog clock.
On the other hand I know a few people that can't do digital clocks, which is the opposite of what I'm seeing on fedi...
because fedi is full of NERDS /lh
On the other hand I know a few people that can't do digital clocks, which is the opposite of what I'm seeing on fedi...
because fedi is full of NERDS /lh
no. (i am serious)
something something autism. I dont understand it myself.
yes, but not easily. Like reading something in a language I have only a beginner's grasp of
yes, but not as easily as on a digital clock (I have to actually think about it and it takes a few seconds)
I can get the rough time pretty fast but if you ask me to get the exact time on an analog clock it might take me a couple moments
That's like me ... I use a digital clock with all the watches I have to set ... Hugz
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My daily driver for the last 20 years or so. Love it!
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It's just something you have to keep doing to get good at it ... Hugz ... Have you seen the time teacher clock faces
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I have a *cat* that I swear is teaching herself to read my longcase clock's dial
the other day, it was 11:45 and it chimed the :45 quarter bells, and she was just *staring* at the dial. (note that she is *extremely* dramatic about food, and the automatic dispenser was scheduled to go off at 12:00.)
LMFAO We are the 1%! Fuck analogue clocks!
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Halp! What time is it? How can it be both 12 and 2!?!
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Of course, but let's make it spicy.
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One of my favourite times 4:20pm ... Giggles
It's 4:46 pm ..
Silly me
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@d_a_n_a huzzah 24 hour watches! Who makes that one?
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@d_a_n_a this one's Soviet from Paketa/Raketa... 😁
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Is the outer ring for an alternate time zone? Presumably you turn the bezel to spin that.
Is the outer ring for an alternate time zone? Presumably you turn the bezel to spin that.
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@IanAMartin the second knob adjusts the outer dial. I use the inner dial to show UTC and adjust the outer ring for my local time zone. Helps with correlating server logs.
A lot of watch faces will have double numbers like 12 with a 24 smaller
A lot of the Swiss made them, normally not as a larger production run
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I am very smart and searched "sweden 24 hour watch" and it looks like this is from akerfalk.com/ which is a new one for me. I did some looking into it a while back and only found like.. 5 companies that had made them.
24-Hour Watches from Sweden | Swedish Watch Brand
Explore Akerfalk’s 24-hour watches from Sweden – Scandinavian design that combines simplicity, balance, and timeless style. Shop now with free shipping.Akerfalk
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That's an Akerfalk Second Season, from Sweden.
That's an Akerfalk Second Season, from Sweden.
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@calmeilles no, I can't,
blind user here if it's a talking clock it will tell you or if it's a braille clock/watch??
blind user here if it's a talking clock it will tell you or if it's a braille clock/watch??
Braille watches aren't easy to read ... I've got several and have repaired many ... Hugz
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@calmeilles never used any, i'm glad to hear that means i never wasted my money on them.
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oh xxxxxxxxx????
xxxxxx 😀 😀
thanks for the kisis 😀
talking watches are better
even better than the watches I would say would be talking clocks you can replace the batteries in them far easia than you can with watches.
huggs, huggs, and what's the saying???
oh xxxxxxxxx????
xxxxxx 😀 😀
thanks for the kisis 😀
talking watches are better
even better than the watches I would say would be talking clocks you can replace the batteries in them far easia than you can with watches.
@calmeilles it may sound childish of me but don't change, i love your trademark huggs huggs and xxx at the end of each post, it adds flare to a timeline that has not that kind of spirit.
you can even get clocks that give you the temp.
you can even get clocks that give you the temp.
@calmeilles and for ffs sake don't get me started on UEB!
i was razed in the braille land where you had the the sign the and sign and such not this hybrid where the the sign is no more some rot about it ueb looking more like print sorry, braille is for us to read not to look like a simuler thing to print, ffs.
i was razed in the braille land where you had the the sign the and sign and such not this hybrid where the the sign is no more some rot about it ueb looking more like print sorry, braille is for us to read not to look like a simuler thing to print, ffs.
I have an analogue watch I am wearing right now! I am not a fan of digital clocks.
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Yes, the big hand is currently on the 11 and the little hand is on the 1
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Just gone sodium to neon o'clock.
Yes, this is on my living room wall.
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Yes, I realise that isn't quite how we'd say it for a "normal" clock: just gone five to ten not just gone eleven to ten.
The other reading, just gone sodium past fluorine also doesn't quite work: just gone nine fifty-five not just gone eleven past nine. That's completely different!
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Neon O'Clock sounds like a sweet name for a signage shop.
Neon O'Clock sounds like a sweet name for a signage shop.
@distinctdipole I love the concept, not a fan of the aesthetics but, of course, that's just me.
@distinctdipole That’s awesome, but it feels like each spot should match the color of the elements’ flame tests.
@ruffin I wonder if I can make that modification with some LEDs 🤔
I can, but slowly.
A fun piece of my lore is that I somehow moved from a school where they taught it in the grade above where I was, to one where they had just taught it the previous year - in the same state no less! So I just... never learned, and there were enough digital clocks everywhere in the 80s and 90s that it didn't matter.
I started learning in my 20s, and I still occasionally get unsure and have to count around by 5.
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yes but it's foreign to me now because I'm so used to digital clocks.
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i have recently re-learned how to read them thanks to this little guy
I can, but it's not very useful when most that I encounter aren't working. I don't trust them unless I can see a second hand actually moving. (We have *8* of those cheap plastic analogue clocks up around the main room at work... only problem is, 6 of them need new batteries, and the 2 that don't aren't facing my area so I can't see them. So they're not exactly helpful.)
I can also use 24 hour time (partly cheap digital alarm clock, partly from setting 473636 reminders on my phone for everything) and people think this is a superpower but it really isn't. (It is helpful though. Sometimes 6am and 6pm can look the same in winter.)
I've thought about getting a watch, but I keep remembering how many I ruined in high school by forgetting to take it off before getting into the shower, or getting too much water on it while washing my hands. Smart watches seem too expensive for something at such high risk of being ruined. (And I guess smart pocket watches aren't a thing?)
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I think you can get a pocket watch like a strap for smart watches ... I kind of remember 10 years ago I saw one with my LG smart watch
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@dartigen There's waterproof watches, maybe that could be a good idea for you.
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Waterproof is a myth ... Water resistant yes ... And truthfully I wouldn't take any watch into the water these days
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I’ve developed a habit of reading digital clocks as if they were analog: quarter ’til the hour, half past, and such.
Most of the time, 15 minutes of precision is plenty, and it’s easier to recall later what time it was when I checked.
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FWIW, I use an analogue face with a sweep second hand on my Apple Watch because I’m closer than I care to admit to qualifying for a seniors’ discount at a lot of places. That being said, having access to weather data, fitness tracking, an alarm clock, and a countdown timer on my hot corners is rather useful, too.
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At least they don't complain about arabic numbers like I have had a customer do ... Crazy
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@amd
The original design was by Clayton Boyer in Hawaii.
lisaboyer.com/Claytonsite/Clay…
I started with his Leeds clock and modified it a little. It’s the third one of his I have built. Other people have built amazing versions of his clocks but mine are more basic.
I have at least one person ask if it was battery powered, since they couldn’t see any power cord.
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Come on let's get to 5000 votes ... 💋
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been able to since i can remember despite being born in 2007, aka more closer to the time period where people havent been able to. i will never understand how they cant
Thank you all ... Hugz
The comments and replies are what we are here for ... And you all never let me down ... 💋
Keep up the great work !
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A pleasure, dear.
Hesitantly, reluctantly, Helen slipped out of a slim, tightwaisted waspy and stood naked in the moonlight before me. Somewhere a clock chimed three. An owl hooted in the nearby copse. No wind stirred the casement window. She stood in the pale, translucent light on the Persian carpet. A minute passed. Then another. Then, another minute. Then... another minute passed. Then another minute passed. And another. A further minute passed quickly, followed by another minute, when suddenly, a different minute passed, followed by another different minute. And another. And yet another further different minute. A minute passed. I glanced at my watch. It was a minute past. This was it. A minute passed. After a moment, another minute passed. I waited a minute while a minute passed quickly past. And then, a minute which seemed to last an hour but was only a minute... passed.
So, what we can glean from this poll is that Fedi is full of old people. 😂
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You may be old ... I see myself as old yet ... Giggles
But yeah, we need to get more of the youths here
Giggles
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I wonder how many of the 1% who voted no are dyslexic. My sister has dyslexia and she couldn't read analog clocks till she was almost a teen. She still kinda struggles with them from time to time
(Tho that's not to suggest dyslexia automagically prevents one from reading them, just part of my sister's struggles with it)
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I would think a lot of the dyslexic people voted yes, even tho it takes a bit long to double and triple check ... Hugz
I for one is dyslexic
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1.5% can't?
Yep ... There are the ones that like to kid with me, 0.25 %, and the rest that can't ... Hugz
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I mean, we are on the fedi, and it's a poll from someone who repairs watches, but honestly I am really surprised it's that low (especially since folk will go, "well nope, nuh uh..." when really they do...)
It took me a second to adjust to the dial ... Giggles
My brain went hey what's the 6 doing there ... Giggles
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@queenofnewyork I missed the vote, but yes! I can also read cursive.
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@queenofnewyork Ancient!
I think it was Jimmy Kimmel who did a segment the other night getting young people to write in cursive and it was pretty hilarious. I know I can read it, but I'm not sure if I can remember all the letters, especially some of the capitals.
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@mlanger I was writing a scene for my book where the protagonist has to sign his name, which he only re-learned a few days ago, and I was imagining how all the letters were formed, and I was like "I THINK this is how the capital J goes..." 😁
It's a bit like that ... I would just do a fancy J and then move on ... Giggles
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@mlanger I actually lost the ability to write English cursive when I learned Russian, since we "wrote" instead of "printed" (per older English definitions). I can still sign my name, but anything else, I cannot remember which version of which letter is which. 😀
I can read an analogue, but my brain stalls for a moment as soon as someone says something like "a quarter till" while the only clock near is a digital. Your really asking me to on the spot to do division with an already weird 60:1 system lol
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Can you tell time by the sun? Not a sundial, but by glancing at the sun overhead. I'm shit at it now, but playing outside as a kid, I was better than half an hour. Lunch break is nearly over or time to head home.
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Digital sundial. I kind of want one that displays roman numerals.
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but correctly ?
yeah, but it takes some mental effort . it's not like i glance at it and immediately know
I have discovered that the easiest way for me to tell time is analogue clock with Roman numerals, because it's even clearer what side is lopsided in what way then.
I have dyscalculia, that probably factors in. I /can/ read digital clocks, but it's far harder and takes longer and the chance I misread it goes up by a lot.
well I'm not used to it and it might take me some time but I know how.
yes but I have to count manually.
yes but I'm out of practice and it takes me a second to do
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This is the clock on my phone.
On the really large ones I can. The smaller ones break when I get on them.
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I've got at least five of them in my house.
I would love to get mechanical pendulum clock.
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I wish that I had my grandparent's key-wound kitchen clock.
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Candidates for California governor tangle in testy debate with mail voting already underway
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mitosis is just a scam by Big Biology to cell more
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Odd, I thought it was Tiny Biology
@joshmillardi know you’ve heard about cell - but can I interest you in cell?
Views on this are pretty evenly divided.
I don't want to like this.
What this is mindblowing
🏆 Shitpost of the day!
good. Good.
I don't know if I buy that. I'm divided on this one.
@evan amazing, no notes
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A: My Toe Sis!
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It's in the organization's DNA.
Wait till you hear about meiosis! Read about it on my substack.
when I worry I have too many cells, my spouse says it's just mitochondria.
@hydropsyche "Mumbo-jumbo"? Have you finally synthesized gravity? No? Still just "observing" and not getting anything done? Duh! Thought so.
@ax11 @hydropsyche folks this is a Wendys
Abolish Mitochondria
Just try to explain 'multiplication by division' to a mathematician
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tRump’s ICE is flooding tech companies with subpoenas demanding they unmask anonymous online critics of his deportation machine—no warrant, no judge, no First Amendment.
Hundreds already sent. EFF & ACLU are suing to stop it.
Dictator vibes. Dissent = enemy list.
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I'm trying to rage-write an article about all the completely awful, useless, polluting, dangerous shit that companies are proposing to launch into orbit and I can't even tell what's fake and what's real on these fucking techbro websites anymore. It's all so fucking ludicrous.
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Like this shit: techcrunch.com/2026/04/27/meta…
Don't worry guys, the CEO says you can stare right into the infrared beam and it's totally safe! I trust him, don't you?
(How you transmit usable amounts of power with a beam that's so diffuse that you can look at it I have no fucking idea.)
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The same energy there as the 'glyphosate is as safe as salt' myth that was perpetuated by Monsanto during the rollout of RoundUp
They're just gonna put up a space laser or some bullshit like that when they can't get it to work.
@mayintoronto
Beamed microwave power would be a space laser, using a microwave resonant cavity to make a coherent beam.
But those tubes are infamously unreliable and need a lot of maintenance; and cannot be run in vacuum without melting themselves (on the ground, we run them by boiling lots of water to soak up the heat).
And the inefficiencies mean that Earth-based solar and batteries always win.
Not that the operators of these scams care about physics or practicality.
Or this shit: cnn.com/science/space-forge-fa…
I guess factories in orbit are already a thing? Tiny factories, for now. Which then have to drop their precious cargo back through the atmosphere somehow and recover it? How does this make any sense economically at all?
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I guess they used AI to generate the feasibility study.
Or this shit: spacedaily.com/sd-n-nasa-backs…
The Moon's gravity is much weaker than Earth's so it'll be easy to accidentally launch rocks into Moon-escape orbits, making the Earth-Moon trip even more hazardous than it is already. Fun!
NASA Backs Interlune's 2028 Bid to Mine Helium-3 From the Moon
Interlune has secured a $6.9 million NASA award to build what the company says will be the first payload designed to extract solar-wind volatiles, including helium-3, directly from lunar regolith on the moon.Space Daily
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Or THIS shit which is really shit: harvardtechnologyreview.com/20…
Many companies are looking at different ways to do this (like the stare-into-the-IR-beam company above). All of them have huge safety, tech, and/or feasibility issues.
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I have come to the conclusion that the best way to predict what the techbros will propose next is to just read Robert Heinlein’s YA science fiction novels and see what hasn’t been proposed yet. (Because a whole lot of the clearly impossible nonsense seems to be pulled from those books with the occasional misunderstanding of some Asimov or Clarke stories)
But of course nothing beats SpaceX's drunk teenager scifi novel of an FCC filing about how we need AI data centres in orbit to ascend into Kardashev civilization land. Which the FCC took totally seriously, opened for public comment in 4 days (record-short time!) docs.fcc.gov/public/attachment…
and the FCC will probably approve despite a couple thousand comments from the public and at least two petitions to deny opposing it. Fuckers.
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A million satellites have obvious consequences, but even one can cause huge amounts of damage. Reflect Orbital, possibly simultaneously the most useless and damaging company ever to exist, which I have ranted about many times, and will continue to rant as their FCC filing is also likely to be approved despite a couple thousand comments against it from the general public and at least 2 formal petitions to deny. I really really hate this company a lot.
I want to see companies that promise to use a handful of well-tested, ethically built, perfectly functioning satellites with decades-long operating lifetimes to do something that benefits the vast majority of humanity. Why can't we have more proposals like that?
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I'm disappointed that one of the "all satellites everywhere all the time" companies hasn't just thrown a bunch of cheap-ish telescopes into orbit and opened them up to you lot.
But then Elon did promise to end world hunger and when the quote arrived he went very quiet and never paid up. It was only ~$6B IIRC, which even at the time was less than 5% of his wealth.
The FCC's mandate and expertise is in protecting communications, ensuring satellites don't interfere with each other, etc. They have much less expertise in protecting from externalities like the night sky, etc, and it now shows.
Like, if you asked most people "what is the primary agency that regulates launching things into orbit", almost no one (who doesn't already know) would guess "the FCC".
@mattblaze in a sane world it’d be an international body.
@mattblaze
Fixed it for you: "The FCC's mandate and expertise is in protecting *the USA's* communications". No one in the rest of the world gave them any mandate.
@sundogplanets
Fixed it for you: "The FCC's mandate and expertise is in protecting *the USA's* communications". No one in the rest of the world gave them any mandate.
@sundogplanets
@stib Well, yes and no. International communications are governed by treaty, and national regulatory agencies are obliged to ensure compliance with them. The FCC does a reasonably good job here as far as I know in this regard. But they simply aren't competent to regulate things that aren't communications, like *space*.
@stib
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🙏🙏🙏 thanks to voice all this out, this topic should raise much more voices and struggles about it. There's so much to do with all the mess being done in this world. Why are we letting multi-billionnaires ruin all our planet and its surroundings and still doing more profit out of pure speculation and debt on our own shoulders?? It's really outrageous that they do it in first hands but why are we so powerless to stop them? Omg, it's so fucked up.
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Oh. This is orbital enshittification.
Shit.
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In the 2010s everybody got a social media account and now there are no more offline humans to focus your onboarding efforts on. These funds have existed for 30 years by growing cloud services. But now it's just the inert bottom of the ocean where there is no more whale carcass left.
So they try to keep the lights on by absorbing whole large infrastructure sectors. It's not that they have anything useful to offer space. It's that space has government money that is useful to them.
You are doing the work journalist are not 😔
Thank you
Another day, another extremely poorly though-out satellite megaconstellation that will enshittify orbit! spacenews.com/star-catcher-rai…
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BATTERIES. Batteries. Why are the techbros so excited about putting shiny shit in orbit instead of making better batteries on Earth? Not dystopian-scifi-enough?
There's no Bond movie (or whatever) about batteries, but there are about cool space lasers?
there are people making better batteries, but not tech bros.
Space shit gets headlines and Davos bragging rights, very little actually is aimed at anything except ego stroking at the moment.
None of the cyberpunk villains from the 80s/90s novels built batteries 🙊
Batteries are the space version of techbros constantly reinventing trains
Yes, please. I just returned two defective batteries today. Jointly weighed 130kg. I want them in handy 1 khW bits with a handle that I can stack or, much better, a container with 1000kWh sitting somewhere in this neighborhood, playing the role of an energy buffer.
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"Space. The Final Frontier."
The last new continent, there for the grab. And, this time, no d--- "first peoples" or regulators.
Vocabulary question: can you call it a "mindset" if there's no mind involved?
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because they want to be *seen*, they want everyone to look at them
I mean, hell, store energy by pumping water uphill! No rare earth metals needed and you don't fuck up low Earth orbit!
@dgoldsmith Do these folks have to get permission beyond what they have to do in the US? This stuff affects the planet.
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I like batteries. My internship between bachelors and grad school was in Li ion battery research (the 1970s, who knew, and my job was definitely grunt work). Mid-temperature molten salt fuel cells for solar thermal generators in grad school, and then photovoltaics. Batteries take a long time from research to ROI, and VC/techBros aren’t patient. But batteries we now have
I work on batteries
@glasspusher GOOD! Keep doing it!
Double-0 vs. Double-A - Mignon menace... badambaaadaaaaa! 🎶🎵🎼
"The Matrix" is all about batteries. Pretty dystopian too. I think they are doing their best to make it happen. It just takes some time.
it's a betting game. You don't bet on things that just work, because everyone could do it, and you're not seen as a genius coming up with fancy ideas.
But importantly *also* don't bet on the very-unlikely things that theoretically could work in some distant future... you persuade *other* *people* to pour money into your batshit-crazy ideas which you claim will yield a 10000x return on investment later.
Then you'll use this inflated stock as collatoral to buy your new yacht.
Well, since the U.S. is the only country on Earth which matters, and all other countries exist in one capacity or another to do our bidding or be our source for minerals or other materials, and we don't believe in science and prefer good, solid, America-first Evangelical Christianity, who cares if people can see stars or not. We will put up more stars... we'll have the most and best stars, and if any other country complains, we'll just nuke them into a glass parking lot.
Fresnel lenses in space!
How large will these panels of lenses be for practical use?
Here is a good article on space power, including designs to beam power to earth, some spanning multiple square kilometers.
bbc.com/future/article/2025102…
Space power: The dream of beaming solar energy from orbit
Harvesting solar energy in orbit and beaming it down to Earth is a decades-old idea. Now, a raft of companies say they could make it a reality.Jonathan O'Callaghan (BBC)
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@AkaSci If the multiple square kilometres cover Mar e Lago and various agressive warmongering parliaments around the world I could be persuaded of their benefits.
@AkaSci
A delusion, not a dream!
A delusion, not a dream!
And with their marketing blahblah they're not even pretending that they really have a business model. Shoot something into space, hope it sticks, and then sell to someone else.
This just re-enforces my thought that a lot of VCs have no one on staff (that decision makers listen to, anyway) that can do math or understands space.
I followed that link, and every subsequent link on that site, and each one made me sadder and angrier at the same time 😕
So many scammers playing follow-the-leader.
I do see evidence of your well thought out point. I do amateur astronomy when weather permits, a few days a month. And for the last several engagements my views have been interrupted by a rather bright satellite streaking through the field of view. Typically this occurs within the first 30 minutes of observing.
Mind you that's not a naked eye view when a large section of sky is within eyesight, but traveling through the very limited field of view of my telescope.
None of the comments above seem to adress the obvious issue: we don't have an easy way to gather and transform energy from the skies 🌞⚡.
Let's be grateful that a tech company can make that energy available to us
for a small monthly fee.
Let's be grateful that a tech company can make that energy available to us
for a small monthly fee.
an idea so stupid, of course it's roused up competition. It almost seems like some diabolical game of malicious compliance with the very idea of solar power—wrecking the credibility of solar energy by "disrupting" it with inane innovations, much as Elon Musk has laid waste to the credibility of the electric vehicle by focusing that whole market round his appalling celebrity and his gimmicky luxury cars.
because cheap crap faster and faster has been the latest craze since the 70's.
- Clothes are crap and don't last for years.
- Kitchen blades are crap, if nothing else the plastic handles or the planned obsolescence side paint starts to crack.
- Home appliances don't last for 20 years and don't have 10 year warranty by default.
The list goes on and on.
Planned obsolescence is rarely not a moneymaker for the planners, and up there was low-earth orbit, minding its own business, not making adolescent-minded billionaires into adolescent-minded trillionaires.
THAT WOULD BE NICE
See, my dad is an engineer.
This gave me the impression that anyone who cares about science and math and facts and goodness and humanity feels it like an actual physical fucking PAIN when something isn't being done in the best, most efficient and helpful and logical way.
What the fuck is fucking WRONG with the people who are building shit that is DESIGNED to break and waste and hurt?? What is wrong with them?? Something is broken! Something is deeply and terribly broken!
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We could have more proposals like that and we will when we get rid of billionaires and their obscenely large net worth as well as the corporations that make that net worth possible.
McSpaceJunk They’ve become the slobs of space. Instead of dropping hamburger wrappers all over the place, they scatter the debris of their junk space gear that has no lasting value, but must be replaced, weekly. The planet is now the trash yard, the toilet and the place we all live.
On April 1st 2024, I proposed a crypto scheme to shoot moon dust near the Earth–Sun L1 Lagrange point as a possible climate-change mitigation measure. And to "find" a Warhol, or a whole museum holding six works of art rather.
Isn't it illegal for companies to consider ethics in their decision-making?
I was thinking about some sort of de-orbit tax too given the pollution build-up in the stratosphere.
Alas, the economy is not constructed around the interests of humanity.
Is there an ISO standard like this? I recognize that the current regime is not interested but on the off chance that any financial entity wakes up to the problem a standard would be helpful.
That was kind of what EUMETSAT did when I was working there (and they still do). Their satellites are hugely expensive one-off builds for climate research as well as weather forecasting.
But I left in 2011, in the before times.
more Landsat less starlink
The main problem may be in the word "companies"?
What bothers me, is that in matters which effect all of mankind, like the millions of satellites Starlink wants to shoot into orbit or what Reflect Orbital is trying to do, nobody but the FCC seems to have a say in this.
Shouldn't such things be regulated by a global organization?
Money not only corrupts, it also stupefies. In this giddy moment, they can throw a pile of money at the President and then all laws that restrict them just vanish. MoneyBros now think physical and chemical laws can be ignored as well. Anything they imagine will become real, it they just spend money. Or so they assume.
For people who live within the confines of Reality, this is an exasperating era. It's no comfort, but we can look forward to Reality hitting back -- hard.
Every time I see those tech boy hallucinations I want to yell at them that combining coke and booze results in serious brain damage.
Saddest part is that they have access to enough money to actually cause real serious harm
didn't you hear? Japan wants to put solar panels in orbit around the moon and beam the energy back to earth. JAPAN! MOON! BEAM! We must suspend our disbelief! /s
@Unsightly3055 no, it's not a joke. JAXA had been working on orbital power since the 80's.
kenkai.jaxa.jp/eng/research/ss…
The Japanese OHISAMA will launch in 2026. It'll use microwaves to transport energy.
asahi.com/ajw/articles/1629314…
Caltech MAPLE had their microwave model tested a few years ago.
caltech.edu/about/news/in-a-fi…
In a First, Caltech's Space Solar Power Demonstrator Wirelessly Transmits Power in Space
A space solar power testbed launched into orbit in January has transmitted energy wirelessly using fabric-like transmitting arrays.California Institute of Technology
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I would love to see the business case for something like that. Especially given that we can generate solar electricity so easily right here on the ground.
@sleepy62 for starters the business case is on the moon and Mars. Also it enables solar power during night too.
@nemeciii
We already have have solar power at night in the form of storage and grid interconnections.
My point is it is almost certainly going to be cheaper to build out storage and/or high voltage grid interconnect between sunny and not sunny places than it is to build anything remotely financially viable in space.
@sleepy62 there's also a limit on how much solar power can exist on country like Japan without risking local food production.
In addition out of control climate change might put terrestrial solar plants in risk due to worsening storms and increasing hailstorms.
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This stuff is all very bonkers. Do you know of anybody looking at the possible environmental/atmospheric/climate impacts of shooting heat beams at the cooling-side of the Earth?
I mean, there's just no reason to. So much Goddamn sunlight falls on the planet and we aren't hurting for land to build collectors!
there is also the distinct possibility (state fascism, "space force", department of war, etc etc) that any tech able to concentrate large amounts of sunlight and aim it at the ground would of course be used as a weapon.
And of course even when not used as a weapon, it wouldnt be a public, tax funded service, it would put a chain and a price tag on *sunlight* and solar. This isnt the solar we all need.
Funny, we already have a great, big power source in space, and we’re building more and more receivers every day.
Checking; that grant to Interlune is for a system to measure volatile gases in lunar regolith in situ?
Nothing about mining the Moon for helium-3.
The media coverage remains appalling.
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@michael_w_busch Yeah, the bad journalism is not helping me decide what's real and what's not...
@michael_w_busch I was going to asked who cracked fusion, which would be the only reason to mine helium-3.
@jappel
It would probably take more energy to extract helium-3 from lunar regolith than would be released by fusing it.
Even if a reactor to fuse it existed.
@michael_w_busch
Also ignoring the fact that there is literally no functional market for He3 as a fuel and will not be until a fusion reactor exists that can burn it which there won’t be because no one is working on that because the temperatures required are way too high. Could it work? Maybe, but it’s decades further away than DT or DD fusion.
Anyone dangling the ‘He3 lunar regolith mining’ idea is a huckster looking to part the gullible from their money.
Well, at least they got through an article about lunar He3 without going off on some fusion energy tangent.
As an environmentalist and hobbyist astronomer, I’m truly baffled by the attitude those companies seem to harbor toward space pollution. It’s just not a concern for them *at all*.
I learned in ~1997*, while a student, that for 1kg of He3 one needs to extract regolith 2 m wide, 2 m deep, and 100 km (!) long.
We know how mining sites on Earth are left behind.
(*I just recalculated this, checks out)
Or deliberately
"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
The idiots with money think SF stories are blueprints. All are entertainment and some are warnings.
"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
The idiots with money think SF stories are blueprints. All are entertainment and some are warnings.
These companies remembers me the Panama scandals at the end of 1800:
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" He adds that solar energy in space — which will power the factories — is abundant and “free.” " yes as opposed to the earth's surface OFC
this one only makes sense to me if they think they're selling the output to future space assembly factories. who knows what scifi they've been reading and want to get out ahead of!
Theoretically, at least, microgravity might allow the production of materials that can’t be made in 1G. I’m pretty sure some small-scale feasibility studies have been done but can’t recall any smashing successes. Your point about the economics is dead-on. The material produced is going to have to be incredibly valuable in its application to be worth it. And yes, it’s a 1970s-80s scifi staple.
It sounds like they are trying to produce very high quality seed crystals that are
used as part of the manufacturing process for microelectronics. The seed crystals are much smaller than the wafers. The whole process is very expensive, but you can get a lot of chips per wafer. Often they'll produce a lot of chips per wafer and throw out the bad ones (the result of randomly placed defects on the wafer).
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The Czochralski Process: How WaferPro Produces High-Quality Silicon Wafers | WaferPro
At WaferPro, we utilize the Czochralski process (CZ process) to produce our advanced silicon wafers that power technologies across the electronicsWaferPro
Because what our planet needs right now is more and More and MORE launches!
Ffs 😓🤬
Being devil's advocate: It's known that a zero gravity environment allows for creation of better semi conductors and new type of drugs/medicines. So there.
This is actually something that I'm OK with... They're short lived LEO platforms that are launched in low volume and not using huge amounts of RF spectrum or blasting laser beams or sunlight or whatever around the ground.
The descent capsule returns to earth relatively intact, and the mass of the remaining bus components burning up on re-entry is small compared to even one starlink much less thousands of them. They deorbit in a controlled manner after only a few months so minimal long term orbital pollution.
Crystal growth (of both pharmaceuticals, see some work from Varda Space, and semiconductors) is something that legitimately works better in microgravity since you can get a really stable melt with no convection to grow ultra high quality specimens from. The materials are sufficiently pricey and low volume that it's not something you will be launching tens of thousands of satellites to make.
IMO this is the kind of commercial space system we *should* be encouraging, at the expense of the more shark-jumping stuff elsewhere in this thread.
My understanding is that this can be done right (safely) -- but no way do I trust Meta to do anything right.
It's astonishing the ways corporations continue to find ways to damage the Earth.
Genuinely that’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. 😂
Someday I hope we see serious studies on how having absurd amounts of wealth and influence literally destroys people’s brains.
Somebody was doing coke while reading Gerard O’Neill’s HIGH FRONTIER.
IIRC the early SPS concepts relied not on beam density but on 365-24-7 power delivery vs. ground-based solar (of course they also relied on NASA's lying-through-their-teeth Shuttle launch cost / frequency projections). There were claims that birds could fly safely through the beam.
Whatever handwavy argument there might have been for SPS during the 1973 oil embargo was rather overtaken by cell efficiency improvements and battery storage, though.
@femme_mal No scientist but, infra-red. Wouldn’t that dissipate most of the energy transfer into the atmosphere? Just saying, global warming already folks…
ceos have a very particular form of Ai psychosis
these guys are on drugs. Ever seen Bruster millions? maybe we could tow an iceberg to arid countries.
maybe they missed that Robocop movie part where a space laser is setting Santa Barbara in fire and killing a former president ??
That’s what I was wondering myself, in another post you wrote about „several times the brightness of a full moon“, and well, that’s nothing you can use for anything, really.
A full moon throws roughly 1/3 lx onto the ground.
For reference:
German regulations mandate 500 lx for office desks.
An overcast winter day in Northern Europe can be something like 3000-6000 lx.
A sunny day in summer can easily reach above 100‘000 lx
1/2
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as the t-shirt says 'imaginary gardens with real frogs in them.'
The same tech bros ducking up space and astronomy are also ducking up everything in my industry (open source software), with their thieving AI bullshit generators, covering us in generated manure in vast amounts, while also taking no care of software reliability or security.
It's such a shitshow, which will get worser before it might all fall apart.
Your goat and aurora photos, and everybody else creating fabulous photos and art of nature and animals is what's keeping me going.
Why does it feel like space is "the next thing" folks want to make stupid bets on when the AI money runs out? Such a bad idea, but these folks just ain't into consequences.
No surprise they are not concerned with AI hallucinations given they themselves hallucinate far more strongly.
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it seems like all these space ventures live in the same no-man's-land occupied by stuff like Elon Musk's hyperloop or his brain-chip ambitions: it's hard to tell the degree to which they actually hope to achieve anything substantial vs. have some sort of grand tentpole projects always going, pretexts for hoovering up investment dollars
Space, the oceans, some wormhole to Andromeda. Its a time of unhinged speculation, infinite money, destruction of ground truth and any meaningful discourse.
arstechnica.com/ai/2026/05/sil…
Silicon Valley bets $200M on AI data centers floating in the ocean
Panthalassa aims to test floating AI computing nodes in the Pacific in 2026.Jeremy Hsu (Ars Technica)
My observations are:
Money and intellect are at best casually related.
Money and ethics have no correlation.
There comes a point at which we're better off crowdfunding the launch of something *designed* to initiate a LEO Kessler cascade, and I think we're close to it.
Let's build a Ballroom Bunker, that flushes them all down to the bottom of Mariana's Trench!
A fitting depth for those Space Cadets!!
several years ago I jumped to the conclusion that something's mere existence on a techbro website means it's probably horseshit.
In an odd way, we already went through this. Look at tech magazine ads circa 1982. Like, when we still had print magazines.
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I suppose the rage part should be easy, anyway . . . 😕 The writing part sounds more like work though, and I don't envy you the task of choosing which bits of stupidity to subject yourself to in order to do it!
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they are speed walking us to extinction.
oh I totally agree tech media is mostly just fake news lmao and they're bragging about how "AI is great because it does xyz" or "new AI helps remove all your debt" whatever like no one cares
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The techbro version of flooding the zone.
I hate it all, and them, so much.
All those you've mentioned!!!
Maybe I've missed some, but these here are very worrying to me as well:
* Kessler Syndrome, cascading damage once a threshold has been triggered, endangering *everyting* in the adjacent orbit(s).
* Impact on the atmosphere and global warming due to aluminium ablation of de-orbiting satellites.
For Big Tech and tech bros, this is all a land grab right now, driven by FOMO and perceived 'street creds' (redeemable in Silicon Valley and with the Tangerine Tyrant).
#satellites #SpaceInsanity #pollution #enshittification #BigTech
tell Bannon he got his 'flooded zone' wish granted.
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Probably a good idea to center that notion, that most of this crap is lies, and the stuff that isn't just lies is awful, useless, polluting, dangerous shit.
argh this thread.
Utterly agree.
Suspect that history reveals rapid change and increasingly centralised power as key factors in the end of past civilisations.
We are just rushing along that path at an insanely reckless pace with drunk psychopaths at the wheels.
create Website: Orbital Enshittification Watch
"They get the valuation. We get the debris."
Main goal:
Make every reckless satellite proposal look like a bad investment.
By showing:
cheaper Earth alternatives
regulatory delay risk
insurance/liability risk
public opposition risk;
astronomy/ecology backlash
technical feasibility gaps
reputational harm
weak customer demand
bad unit economics
Also provide:
- Investor risk memos
- A bullshit-to-physics translator
- Journalist briefing kits
- Real or Fake? Space Startup Edition
- etc.
- Investor risk memos
- A bullshit-to-physics translator
- Journalist briefing kits
- Real or Fake? Space Startup Edition
- etc.
@CausticHarmony Oh I really really like this. I might wrap the basic "orbital enshittification index" idea into something else I'm working on... thanks!
*cheering you on*
Nobody's going to put datacenters in space. They're too heavy and space makes cooling impossible. It's all BS and hype to get them funding. Ignore it.
@bluemonkeyslippers I can't ignore it, because the FCC is taking it very seriously and is likely going to grant licenses for it. And then there will be hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of giant useless satellites in orbit, and horrible consequences. At least the 10,000+ Starlinks up there now are useful to the people who can afford to purchase internet access from Musk.
There won't be any. Licenses or not. Take a look at the radiators needed by the ISS for just a few people and computers. Scale it up for the monstrous needs of even a small datacenter.
Datacenters in space aren't even impractical, they're impossible. It's all hype. Nobody is actually going to try doing it. You can't cheat physics.
It's a scam to get more funding from gullible investors. Just ignore it.
Actually, it's simple. They are all real, only some won't get funded. Guessing which will is the problem.
And breathe. Write with a cool head. You know it makes better sense however enraging things are.
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At the risk of sounding too Seinfeldian, what's the deal with chefs on the food network mispronouncing common ingredients?
MARscapone
TOOmeric
ChipolTAY
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Yeah. Everybody knows it’s pronounced chi-po-tul.
Too meric
Too meric to quit (hey, hey)
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@ksawatsky Yeah, it's really bizarre. It's like...this is your job. At a bare minimum, learn how to pronounce the most common ingredients.
because of encounters with locals, my wife and I call prosciutto "proSKEEto" and gnocchi "guhNOOchee"
Try working in a scientific profession.
NEW-kew-lur.
TEMPA-choor.
ARE-tick.
LAB-a-tory.
YOU-ler.
It's subtle product placement for the new albums of Bruno Mars(capone), U2(meric) and (chipol)Taylor Swift
Worchestershire!
The worst part is that there are at least two valid pronunciations.
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Judicial nominees who cannot answer a question this basic because they are scared of the president have no business serving as judges. The GOP doesn't care, though. Which is why we must vote them out of power in November.
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Have him ask if Bill Clinton can be relected again.
the disappointment in his voice and demeanor is palpable.
This is beyond terrifying.
The way he should have done this is by asking first about whether Obama can run in 2028. No? How about Bush? No? OK, what about Trump? That way you know exactly where the line is.
@notthatkindofdoctor That's called controlling the discourse, and the Dems are awful at it.
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These judges aren't necessarily afraid of Trump, an old goat fading fast.
They're terrified of the billionaires behind MAGA fascism.
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... & careers, from beyond the grave. For decades.
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It's to preserve their dynastic wealth with a side of class warfare, eugenics, & bigotry.
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All these judicial nominees were groomed from law school onwards by Koch Network.
They have every right to be scared stiff of these dynasties.
They only have to spend $1.6 billion in Irish tax evasion, and they can erase the civil rights of 50% of the American population.
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So instead of firmly founding a third, middle d#DemocraticSocialism party, just increase the accelerating destabilization of the overextended #duopoly
No thanks.
the #USA is an #FPTP #voting system
meaning there can only be 2 parties
it's not corruption, it's just math (not saying corruption doesn't exist, but even if all corruption magically disappeared, we'd still have only 2 parties)
a 3rd party on the left would divide the left vote and #MAGA would win
i want 3rd parties
to get that we need #rankedChoiceVoting
to get ranked choice voting, we have to elect #Democrats who support it
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if not Ranked Choice, then at a least a run off between the two candidates with the most votes if no one gets more than 50% outright in the vote.
this keeps the effect of vote splitting in FPTP to a minimum and closer to actual voter intention.
Alaska ended up with a Dem governor fairly recently as the GOP ran two candidates. All the candidates got 30-something percent of the votes, but the Dem got the most votes and won office despite nearly 2/3 of votes going to another party. A run off could have prevented that and elected a candidate more inline with voter intention.
but you still need politicians with the political will to change the system.
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I've used when I used to live in the UK - it's great. Only at the council level but quicker and easier than run-offs
Wish they had it in Canada.
@maya_b @benroyce @numodular
One might ask what was the distribution of second choices among those not voting for the Dem.
It isn't wholly unlikely that many of the voters for the two GOP candidates would rather have a Dem than the other GOPc.
All the GOP factions and fractions look rather nasty from here, but I suspect the divisions are as toxic as those in our parties.
True, and the run-off would have reflected that.
Same result could come out of ranked choice as well.
it would not happen in ranked choice voting
if a third party was on the table, negativity would go way down, out of fear everyone's second choice could win
this isn't a theory, it's what happens in ranked choice districts:
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ranked choice removes toxicity
it becomes a battle to be nice and sing kumbaya
literally
there was 2013 race in minneapolis after adopting RCV where the candidates stood together and sang "kumbaya"
Ranked Choice voting, cartoon characters, and 'Kumbaya'
If you don't fully understand what Ranked Choice Voting is - here's your chance: a simple, and funny way to 'get it.'Kristina Rex (newscentermaine.com)
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We already have run-offs in our FPTP system.
Those are generally terrible b/c it's an entirely different electorate voting a month later than in the general.
Ranked Choice is the best solution I've heard of.
1. It functions almost exactly like FPTP if there are only 2 candidates.
2. It provides a winner with true majority support
3. And It's literally cheaper to run.
you don't get many alternative solutions that check all those boxes.
no, this is not true
yes the UK is also FPTP, but it's a parliamentary system
a parliamentary system lends stability to 3rd parties (coalitions and such)
the USA does not have a parliamentary system, so the lessons of the UK and 3rd parties does not apply to us
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I'm not from there, but doesn't the bicameral Congress constitute a Parliament?
France has a President and many parties.
Other examples or models exist.
no
the usa is not a parliamentary system. it is a presidential system with separation of powers (unlike parliamentary wins picking the head of govt for example)
there is no lesson from 3rd party working in the UK that applies to the USA
if we want stable viable 3rd parties in the USA, we need to change something
changing the constitution is a heavy lift, and ranked choice voting has a head of steam, slow adoption, so we accelerate the adoption
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The reason I support Ranked Choice for our Parliamentary system is because I think it easier for voters to understand and easier to convince people to support than Proportional representation which I believe is better. The same logic applies to non-Parliamentary systems.
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zero argument
Canada, the UK, etc, should also adopt ranked choice
it's impossible to capture every intricacy of the popular will, but ranked choice is a huge step up towards that from FPTP, everywhere and anywhere
i'm only focusing on the USA because I'm American
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No, ranked choice is often less representative. PR is a better option. Each systemhas its flaws but the best PR variants allow proper representation of minority views.
No, ranked choice is often less representative. PR is a better option. Each systemhas its flaws but the best PR variants allow proper representation of minority views.
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i'm confused or you're confused
ranked choice voting is not in conflict with proportional representation
in fact proportional representation can use ranked choice voting
or i'm missing what you're referring to
@benroyce @a_cubed @the5thColumnist @Photo55 @numodular I think you are right in saying that ranked choice voting in single seat constituencies gives better results than FPTP. RCV gives less proportional results than list-based PR systems or RCV in multiseat constituencies, but it's a step in the right direction.
exactly
RCV isn't the best voting system
but it has a head of steam in the USA, and it's massively better than FPTP
people can finally vote their conscience for 3rd parties, unencumbered by dreary strategy, which is a huge turn off for many. because their 2nd choice can flow through in RCV. they aren't essentially voting for MAGA with a 3rd party vote in our current system
so i support RCV. it's better, not perfect
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Yes you can have both together but my point is we need better than FPTP and Ranked Choice may be easier to convince the electorate of than proportional representation, or so it seems at least since we have not been able to do so, so far, at least in Canadian jurisdictions..
Yes you can have both together but my point is we need better than FPTP and Ranked Choice may be easier to convince the electorate of than proportional representation, or so it seems at least since we have not been able to do so, so far, at least in Canadian jurisdictions..
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not only convince, but at least in the usa, it's a much easier fix. to get PR would be a much bigger lift
not only convince, but at least in the usa, it's a much easier fix. to get PR would be a much bigger lift
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Less than what though?
Less than the existing FPTP: very much not.
Less than the complicated Condorcet system: everything is, at least slightly.
STV/RCV offers the chance to vote for our preferred candidate, failing their election, for our second-best, failing that third etc, all the way down past the Monster Raving Loony to the Breakaway-Re-Reform at the bottom.
It elects one candidate, it isn't a system to elect multiple Members in proportion per area.
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The UK had a chance to adopt partial RCV (a single alternative) and rejected it. PR has majority supportin the country but the politicians who gain majority of seats on a minority of votes refuse to bring it in.
The UK had a chance to adopt partial RCV (a single alternative) and rejected it. PR has majority supportin the country but the politicians who gain majority of seats on a minority of votes refuse to bring it in.
I wouldn't say "not true". What he said was true, although perhaps not contextually applicable. Saying "FPTP means there can only be 2 parties" is technically incorrect.
It's the combination of FPTP and a presidential system that creates conditions for 2-party dominance.
And to add, FPTP is problematic in parliamentary systems as well.
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In Canada, Trudeau campaigned on a promise of electoral reform, then abandoned the notion as soon as he gained power. Coalitions mean little when a party wins a majority anyway.
Yup. Well said
"FPTP means there can only be 2 parties" is true in the context of the USA but the fediverse is not only the USA, obviously, so there is no need to scope the thread to just the USA
And yes, ranked choice for Canada and the UK as well, not just the USA. It better captures the popular will than FPTP, regardless of the system
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@lazysupper Up here in Canada we have a parliamentary system. We have dozens of Federal parties, including one that just represents Québec, the Greens, and the New Democratic Party that have yet to win a Federal election.
FPTP is absolutely problematic in Canada, but so far the two major parties—Liberals and Conservatives—cling to the status quo with an iron grip.
@lazysupper Americans will be amused to know that we have not one but TWO federal communist parties!
The Communist Party of Canada, and;
The Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist)
The RCMP used to harass them during a period when our police openly worked to break up and suppress any and all worker organization, but nowadays they are too fringe to attract much pushback.
Wait
Two different parties same name?
At the same time?
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Electorates in the UK are effectively a lot smaller than in the US. Meaning FPTP is still a problem, but less so than in the ‘winner takes all’ system the US has. @benroyce @georgetakei @IanMoore3000 @numodular
@benroyce @numodular The other useful option is multi-seat constituencies, as practiced at least in Scandinavian nations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election… has a useful summary.
In US terms this would be mean abolishing "congressional districts", keeping the number of seats per state but make the election proportional-by-state.
(IMO transferring the 2 senate seats for each state to the pool of representatives to elect would also be a good idea)
@pitrh @benroyce @numodular Honestly the US need to increase the number of represenatives to reflect populsyion growth since 1920 ish when we stopped increasing the number. 1 rep for every 200,000 would be an improvement over today where 1 can represent somwhere between 400,000 and 600,000.
It also it more permissable and achivavle under the systems that exist already. No need to go through a constitutional amendment.
the #USA is an #FPTP #voting systemmeaning there can only be 2 parties
I’ve written a lot about this in other posts, so I’m not going to repeat it all here, but Duverger's Law is absolute nonsense. Anyone with a basic understanding of game theory can see that it describes an unstable equilibrium state. Anyone who has paid attention to political history of the last century can point to a large number of examples of this equilibrium collapsing. It was pretty indefensible as an idea when Duverger published it, it’s been repeatedly shown to be false since then.
if you have 100 people
45 vote for red, 55 vote for blue:
blue wins
but if
45 vote red, 40 vote blue, and 15 vote green:
red wins
in FPTP
could you show me where this situation does not support duverger's law?
you can be brief. give me a hint
because i don't see what the problem is. it seems solid and unarguable
are you coming from a UK perspective?
yes, a parliamentary system lends stability to 3rd parties
but not in the USA
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You're talking about a single round of elections. The claim is about repeated rounds.
Let's play through your example:
After losing to red, what does the blue team do? They can move their policies to be more red or more green. Duverger predicts that all of the parties will move to some centre point, and people will abandon the green team because the red and blue teams are close to some average.
The problem with this is that it leaves an increasing number of people disenfranchised. So it's easy for voters on the bluer or redder end to look at the blues and reds and not be able to tell the difference between them. At this point, a green party can start peeling off a lot of votes from either the red or blue party, depending on what policies it goes after.
The big thing that Duverger's Law misses is that the red team isn't just competing against the blue team, they're competing against apathy. If the red team moves to some arbitrary middle and the blue team doesn't, the red team may have more support, but the blue team will have more enthusiastic support. You don't win an election because people like your platform, you win an election because people think your platform is worth bothering to turn up and vote for (compulsory voting changes this slightly).
That green party from your example isn't taking voters from the red or blue party, they're picking up people who don't like the red or blue team enough to bother to vote for them.
The red and blue team can pick up some apathetic voters by scaring them: vote for us or the other team wins. But that works only in the short term if the reds and blues are moving together. After a while, voters don't care.
Once you have 30% of the voters in the apathy box, you're in a very unstable situation: a third party that can pick up a lot of those voters can start winning.
The reason this rarely happens in the USA is that third parties keep aiming at the highest-risk races first. A third party with no track record stands almost no chance of winning the US Presidential election, but that's not where you start. You start in local elections. Then you get a track record in city councils and so on. Then you go for state senates and legislatures. Then state governorships. Then for the US house and senate. Then you aim for President. And that takes a long time, and will be slower in a country the size of the USA.
@david_chisnall @numodular
"At this point, a green party can start peeling off a lot of votes from either the red or blue party, depending on what policies it goes after"
and in many more mature democracies, this is fine, as 3rd parties are viable and stable and can form coalitions, etc
in the USA, what happens is this green party winds up dividing the left leaning vote, and the green party helps MAGA win
you're making an argument here in defiance of the straightforward math
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i want 3rd party in the USA
we have to get ranked choice voting to do that, which is creeping in in places
in RCV your vote can flow to your second choice, rather than flowing to MAGA in FPTP
that's the problem
i don't have any argument with the dynamics you are describing
they are accurate and i agree with them
but, at least in the USA, it's a nonstarter because of the winner take all primitive voting structure the USA has
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The things I'm describing are happening in the UK, right now, for the second time in the last hundred years. We're having an election tomorrow where the polls predict a wipeout for the two major parties.
But that's because the two insurgent parties (and the existing third party) have spent decades losing elections and winning small numbers of candidates in local elections.
But third parties in the USA keep trying to rush through. They don't put in the effort of trying to win the smaller lower-stakes elections and building a track record.
How many US State Senates have a third-party majority? Last time I checked: Zero. One you've got one of those, you can start looking at the national level, but third parties in the US keep not putting in the work to do steps 1-9, and then complaining that they're failing step 10. And that has nothing to do with FPTP and everything to do with strategy.
i think this is the crux of our disagreement
i can get behind everything you say. for the UK
parliamentary systems where parties can form coalitions lends stability to 3rd parties, in the UK, even though you're also FPTP, in ways it can't happen in the USA. the USA pure winner-take-all
3rd party can never gain any traction in the USA, until we go to ranked choice voting
it's simply a matter of the spoiler effect in our shitty voting system
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I don't know why you think the US and UK systems are so different. The UK draws the executive from the legislature, but both elect their legislatures in almost identical ways: candidates stand in geographical constituencies where they are elected in FPTP. In both cases, coalitions are extremely rare and most of the time one party wins an outright majority.
The difference is in scale and therefore the time taken to win credibility. And the fact that none of the US attempts at third parties are putting in this effort.
In the 2024 election, the largest third party was the Libertarians (Greens a distant fourth). How many state Senators and Representatives did they have going into the election? How many town mayors did they get elected? How many people who had the option to vote for a Libertarian or Green Representative for the US House was already represented by any Libertarian or Green politicians at local or state levels?
@david_chisnall @numodular
1. a parliamentary system is very different than a presidential system with many subtle, and many glaring, knock-on effects. they are not remotely interchangeable, especially on this topic. you can't gloss over that
2. if a 3rd party in the usa followed every suggestion of yours, all that would happen is they would divide the left, or the right, and guarantee the opposite side wins
i repeat myself
but please understand: this is a hard wall
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@david_chisnall @benroyce @numodular Did you miss Ben’s use of the word “coalition”? That cannot happen in the US system.
Yet again we have foreigners who _think_ the US system operates likes theirs, but haven’t taken the time to understand that it’s not. It’s an archaic, structurally anti-democratic system that becomes more and more bonkers the more layers you unpeel.
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@pmonks @benroyce @numodular
I did not. Coalitions are also incredibly rare in the UK and completely irrelevant. Coalitions happen after you get candidates elected. The discussion is about getting the candidates elected.
And, for the record, I studied Politics at A Level in the UK with one year devoted to the UK and one year devoted to the US system, so I suspect I understand your political system a lot better than most of your country mates.
that's all well and good but i find it even harder then to understand why you don't see that 3rd party, in the current US system, divides the right, or the left, and guarantees the opposite side wins
you can't beat that with the sort of aspirational ground game you describe. you need to change the voting system, like to RCV. then everyone can vote 3rd party to their heart's content and 3rd parties will thrive
but not before that
it's impossible
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that's all well and good but i find it even harder then to understand why you don't see that 3rd party, in the current US system, divides the right, or the left, and guarantees the opposite side wins
Again, what scale of election are you talking about? Presidential? Senatorial? State government? Town dog catcher?
You can't have a third party stand in a US Senatorial election without a track record and expect to win. This will, absolutely, divide the vote.
But you can win smaller elections.
Switching to another electoral scheme also won't fix things in the USA because no one wants to vote for a party with no track record of governing.
@david_chisnall @numodular
i'm confused
if the election is hundreds of millions, or the election is only hundreds of people, the effect of dividing the left, or dividing the right, and guaranteeing the opposite side wins (in hard FPTP like the USA) still holds
no?
please, i welcome a shift in understanding if you have it
@benroyce @numodular
No, because you're ignoring psychology. There are three factors that matter:
If the vote is for something on a smaller scale, people are more willing to take a risk. Voters are much less concerned about wasting their vote in local elections than they are in big ones. Voting for a candidate who has a good chance of losing and having your less-preferable candidate win in a local election is far less of a risk than doing the same for President.
Equally importantly, the candidate is much more able to talk to voters face to face. If you start with the smallest local elections, your third-party candidate can knock on enough doors and convince people that they're a reasonable person. A third-party candidate for President, or even State Senator, has a massive constituency. They're reliant on press coverage to get their message across. That's really expensive and you're fighting establishment bias. A candidate for a small election can actually meet a lot of the electorate.
Finally, turnout in smaller elections is often much lower. Even in the US, where these elections are often scheduled with the big ones and people often vote a straight ticket, the proportion of eligible voters that you need to convince to vote for you is smaller.
And when you're talking about the two main parties, they're the main parties because they won previous elections. You think they have a chance of winning because they won previous times. But that's transferrable knowledge. If candidates from a new party have won the low-stakes elections, consistently, for a few rounds, now they're no longer third parties, they're the new second party in the elections one layer up.
focus on local politics, psychology
i hear you
so 3 candidates
1. a MAGA chud
2. a spineless centrist democrat
3. a serious left candidate
the left vote, whether 20 people or 20 million, is divided. the MAGA chud wins
howabout:
do what you say, with local psychology
but instead the serious left candidate beats the spineless centrist in the primary
takes over the Democrats
and beats MAGA
no?
this is AOC, Bernie, Mamdani, etc
not a theory
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@benroyce @numodular
Once again, you're talking about an election. To go back to my very first post in this thread: the important thing is what happens across N rounds of elections.
You can't model any of this usefully when you think about an election, you have to think about the behaviour across multiple elections. Someone else did this elsewhere in the thread.
@david_chisnall @numodular
sure but then what you're saying is that across N rounds of elections, you're ok with MAGA winning while the drama unfolds on the left of a 3rd party (theoretically) supplanting the Democrats
and the problem with that is that MAGA is trying to demolish democracy itself
so you're ceding vast areas and a vast amount of time to MAGA control. and they don't play fair. they change the rules such that the democrats, or the 3rd party, are locked out
@david_chisnall @numodular
so why not just use everything you say to take over the democrats instead?
why cling to the notion of 3rd party? (before we get ranked choice, after ranked choice, absolutely, because the spoiler effect is gone)
we want the same results
just my path is more feasible, i would argue faster, and absolutely much much safer
@benroyce @numodular
You've gone a long way away from my original point:
You said that this two-party end point was intrinsic to FPTP.
I said that it isn't, it's an unstable equilibrium and it will eventually tend towards disruption.
You disagreed with this, but what you actually care about is not the long-term state of the system but how you get rid of MAGA in the next election cycle.
I am completely on board with the idea that kicking out MAGA should be the most urgent priority. Electoral reform may help with that, but that's completely orthogonal to anything I claimed and that you disagreed with.
@david_chisnall @numodular
correct. i changed the topic
because i honestly could care less about theory, i care about results. i don't care how we do it, we need to save the USA from fascism. so i welcome challenges from other points of view like yours because it keeps the mind fresh. i don't know everything
and i don't care if duverger's law is the biggest farce in the history of political science, or an iron clad "law"
i just know that if we divide the left vote, MAGA wins
i just know that if we divide the left vote, MAGA wins
The problem is that both the Republican and Democratic strategy (and the Labour and Conservative strategy in the UK) is predicated on the assumption that Duverger's Law is accurate.
This is why the Democrats have spend the last few decades chasing some imagined centre. And this led to disenfranchising most voters, which led to the MAGA Party replacing the Republican Party and led to the Democratic Party being centre-right and most voters holding opinions further to the left of either on a wide range of opinions.
If you don't understand both what the political strategists in the parties are doing, why they're doing it, and why they're wrong, then persuading them to do something different is hard.
@david_chisnall @numodular
"which led to the MAGA Party replacing the Republican Party"
yes
and why can't we do something similar to the Democrats from the left?
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Understood. And you can teach me.
But you agree taking over the Dems is a more feasible approach, yes?
I'm not coming at this from science, I'm coming at tbis from engineering
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@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular because democrats allways try to show that they are all but left
@vgoller @david_chisnall @numodular
You're talking about spineless centrists. And I agree. But they aren't "the democrats"
That label can be filled with whatever you want to fill it with. which depends upon us showing up and getting those left candidates in
If no one votes, because magic bogeyman "the democrats" fills people with empty cynicism, then yes, you get spineless centrists
@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular Maybe what you need is a multi (potentially more than 3) party system where parties need to *gasp* form coalitions and achieve 50%+ to form a government...
@wynke @david_chisnall @numodular
Well yeah. And I agree
But it's one thing to say that, another thing to do it. The question is how, it's not merely about making the aspirational statement
@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular True. For me as a Dutch person it's easy to say that, but for the US, it'd mean a complete overhaul of how government is organised and that is far from trivial.
@david_chisnall @benroyce @numodular electoral law won't kick out MAGA because MAGA controls all three branches of the government, so if anything electoral law will be used to entrench them, as we just saw in Louisiana. That and ICE stormtroopers posted near voting booths to intimidate the electorate.
At best electoral law can be changed to prevent a recurrence of MAGA, but we have to get to the kicking out part first. All the checks and balances carefully laid out in the Constitution have failed us, I suppose 236 years was a good run. The only saving grace is that discontent is overwhelming in the US, not because of moral qualms but because of economic incompetence and corruption on a truly breathtaking scale, which would make vote-tampering obvious.
@fazalmajid @david_chisnall @numodular
as long as that discontent results in people showing up and voting
if the discontent instead results in spineless cynicism, and not voting, that's simply acceptance of fascism by weak people
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@david_chisnall @benroyce @numodular Then it’s baffling that you consider 3rd party voting in the US a reasonable choice as the system currently stands. It’s literally equivalent to not voting.
but pmonks is actually soft selling the simple reality:
a 3rd party vote is not a nonvote, it's a vote for MAGA
ross perot in 1992
ralph nader in 2000
the third party only divided the right, or the left, and handed the win to the opposite party
everything you say crashes like waves on this rock, and renders everything else you say aspirational, but unfeasible
at least for the USA. maybe what you say can work in the UK
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@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular Yes, and I want less parties in the Netherlands. Chaos is ruling and nobody wants an election threshold of 5%. At the moment we have 17 parties. Horror scenario.
@TuutW @david_chisnall @numodular
i lack enough knowledge to comment on the netherlands' politics, but i can say perhaps we are on opposite sides of a problem. chaos vs suffocation
i lack enough knowledge to comment on the netherlands' politics, but i can say perhaps we are on opposite sides of a problem. chaos vs suffocation
Nationally we do need RCV, but locally it's not always necessary. A third party could take entire states if people stopped thinking of elections solely in terms of national conditions.
Here's the 75 state rep races from my state in 2024. Pick some at random, there's a 2/3 chance you'll find only one candidate running. A third party isn't gonna hand MAGA a victory in places where MAGA doesn't run and Dems take 98% of the vote by being the only ones on the ballot.
ri.gov/election/results/2024/g…
...Is it even fair to call it a "third" party when you're in a one party state? I just want a SECOND party right now!
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as a nutmegger i got nothing but love for Rhode Island, and i like you
i will grant that in areas massively GOP, or massively Democrat, a 3rd party can serve as a nice protest
but that's more of a secondary function of how sick we are as a country
so RCV is necessary, regardless
because then we can just vote 3rd, 4th, 5th party, etc, and not worry about this endless dreary strategy
because, you have to admit, you could help the GOP win in RI
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@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular Yeah, although I think the financing in a bigger part of the sickness than FPTP.
People running unopposed will raise $50k for their campaign. If you're actually gonna campaign that's a 40 hour a week job (at least!) on top of your actual job. And if you win the salary is $20k. How well does that math work out if you ain't already a millionaire? Or at least have a lot of wealthy "friends". (At least if you're trying to do the job honestly.) That's surely a big part of why so many of these races are unopposed.
@admin @david_chisnall @numodular
i know little of Rhode Island politics that you know a lot of. but i hear the rumors that it's a machine, and it's dirty
i would say to you: just come from the left and take over the Democratic party rather than venturing off with the romantic notion of a 3rd party
AOC beat a colossus of the establishment
*working in a bar*
don't undersell how many are sick of the machine as much as you are. campaign on it in fact
but beat it from the inside
but it is straightforward
you're describing a system where a 3rd party can exist in harmony with the 2 dominant parties
what happens instead is the right leaning 3rd party rewards the democrats, such as perot in 1992, or the left leaning 3rd party rewards the republicans, such as nader in 2000
that is, indeed, straightforward math
so your every argument is sound
*but* only in democracies where 3rd parties can coexist. they can't in FPTP like the USA
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@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular Hypothetically I guess you could start a third party as a regional thing. If said third party would start exclusively in deep red states where Democrats can't win anyways, it wouldn't matter so much that the left vote gets split at first, and if the third party can win enough support from non-Democrat voters to surpass the Republicans, you now would have three parties in total from a national view.
But we are now firmly in magical christmas land
i would love to see 3rd party in deep red states
but this is not coming from a position of "yay third party"
this is coming from a position of: "you're giving democrats a win in deep red states"
a discussion of the emergence of 3rd parties in the usa is a nonstarter (until we get ranked choice), simply because all that happens is you divide the left, or right, vote, and guarantee the opposite side wins
this is a hard wall
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@benroyce @david_chisnall @numodular
Also important to state that a lot of the people clamoring for a green party or any kind of third party…aren’t seriously invested in creating one. Not at all.
And they are also often denying the reality of the USA’s current system. Which is that the awful people in the Republican party will vote in lockstep for their cult leaders, and it helps them when their opposition divides and dilutes their votes.
@mister_shade02X2 @david_chisnall @numodular
enthusiasm for 3rd party in the usa breaks into two groups to me:
1. international observers who fail to grasp exactly how fucked up our shitty FPTP system is
2. domestic observers who fail to be educated on exactly how fucked up our shitty FPTP system is
that's it
i want 3rd party
but we can't have it until we get ranked choice
before ranked choice, 3rd party only succeeds in helping MAGA win
this is a hard fact, not an opinion
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This is why the right wing invests hundreds of millions supporting liberal left wing 3rd party candidates in every election cycle.
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@david_chisnall @benroyce The game is sometimes described as two ice cream sellers on a beach boardwalk. The rule is that beachgoers will walk along the boardwalk towards the nearest creammonger and buy from their cart. In this simplification, the game equilibrium is that both sellers are shoulders-touching adjacent at the exact midpoint, one serving all the left beach and the other serving all the right beach.
@numodular
3rd parties aren't generally viable at the state and federal level in the US unless your incumbent switched in office of you already have RCV in your district. We presently have 3/535 federal and 28/>7500 state legislators. And for presidential elections there hasn't been a single 3rd party candidate to win a single EC vote since 1968, and perot won 19% of the national popular vote in 92. Can't get reform by voting for losing 3rd party candidates.
@georgetakei
3rd parties aren't generally viable at the state and federal level in the US unless your incumbent switched in office of you already have RCV in your district. We presently have 3/535 federal and 28/>7500 state legislators. And for presidential elections there hasn't been a single 3rd party candidate to win a single EC vote since 1968, and perot won 19% of the national popular vote in 92. Can't get reform by voting for losing 3rd party candidates.
@georgetakei
clearly an 'originalist' would say
- doesn't mention a penalty so it's technically unenforceable
- who does the electing? not the president, not his problem if somebody else decides to break the law.
- presence of fraud in an election doesn't invalidate the election
- says nothing about who's able to run for president, just who somebody else is advised not to elect
- up to the supreme court to determine who 'has been elected twice' but nobody has standing to ask until after that person wins
@prozacchiwawa In practice, it means that Secretaries of State may not allow such a candidate to be placed on statewide ballots, and if they do, then any results of such races are legally invalid. Congress Assembled must, by law, refuse to certify such reports if they're submitted, which effectively means those States are not counted in the presidential election, with no do-overs; they just sit it out. If Congress certifies anyway, then that means it never mattered to begin with.
@wesdym
i don't disagree with you, but our court's 'originalist' majority think they're very smart and also love sophistry.
the court have become determined attackers against past congresses who definitely didn't envision a threat model of bad faith nitpicking.
@prozacchiwawa Okay,l you seem to have either not read what I wrote, or not understood it, so I'm not sure what point there might be in responding.
I would have thought your could argue it this way. 45 thinks he was elected in 2020. So he got Biden to serve his 2nd term for him. So in his own "mind" this is actually his 3rd term already. So he should not actually be president. What do you reckon?
@dingusbat
As source and some context on Ketanji Brown Jackson, during her 2022 Supreme Court confirmation hearings:
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I'll add that as we get new science, we change definitions. Most people have chromosomes XX or XY, and most are female or male, respectively. But there are a whole lot of exceptions.
So, I could see how an earnest candidate would decline to answer.
George, they're already making moves to cheat the elections in every way they accused the democrats of since 2020. We're not getting a clean election without safeguards with consequential teeth in play. You of all people know firsthand that procedural rules can be bent, suspended or outright ignored when it's convenient. Especially when investigation wont be forthcoming from the executive branch or enforcement from the judicial. Get in touch when you're ready to take this seriously.
"Review the wording" is the new "do your own research" unanswer from chumpwaffles.
I'm not sure if that's stupidity, fear, nerves (aka "brain freeze [surely not]), or just sheer ignorance of the Constitution and the Amendments, but whatever it is, it is damn frightening to those of us who really do care about who sits on those courts. I'm appalled.
...and a president they're so scared of has no place being in office in the first place!
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It still matters there was a switch to fascism, and that involved cannibalizing their own centrists as RINOs. The shift was long in process yes but it was still a significant effort and movement, it wasn't just automatic or obvious
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why, in all the hells ever imagined by humans or gods, would anyone ever do that?
some folks can't resist cheating.
I thought win11 was bad enough with copilot, now Ubuntu is pushing it too. I just hope they use it more as a diagnostic tool.
I admit, I haven't played my Steam Deck in a while. Been playing my Switch 2 and Playdate.
This isn't even a situation.
Not as much as I hate people who use Comic Sans for their meme needs.
The software I use at work is Windows only. Fine. But on a Steam Deck?!?
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I got no beef with it personally. People are free to be losers.
It's freedom of choice. If they replace dedicated, optimized software with something as bad as Windows, it's their problem.
Unfortunately, I'm experiencing Wi-Fi (MediaTek) problems on my Lenovo LOQ 15 Ubuntu laptop. My solutions: Ethernet, Intel card or usb wifi adapter OR 🪟 🪟 😱
but you can put the hypervisor cracks on it
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How about this: Let's not use ableism to fight against transphobia. Opposing one bigotry does not excuse perpetrating another.
Yes, the first reply means to call trans people mentally ill: both bigotries in one. But the joke of the second reply turns on disparaging mentally ill folks.
@viviansequeira @deFractal
I'm mentally ill and transgender and I understood the joke as:
Being conservative is more like a mental illness than being transgender which is ironic since it used to be called gender identity disorder in the DSM while being conservative has never been classified as being detrimental to those experiencing it even though it is demonstrably worse for both the person experiencing it and those around them.
If only there was an effective treatment for it.
If only there was an effective treatment for it.
There is. Except for cases caused by dark triad personality disorders, the treatment for conservativism is very similar to that for attachment disorders and the related phobias and emotional and social disorders.
@deFractal I would like to read the source for that.
@riley @jrdepriest @viviansequeira I made it up, based on my decades-old hobby of applying methods of psychology and therapy, atop methods of foreign intelligence and undercover law enforcement, to socially engineer people into changing their minds about political issues.
It always comes down to healing the emotional harms that made the craving for domination by corporate, government, and religious daddies emotionally resonate and thus feel true.
@deFractal @jrdepriest @viviansequeira claiming that calling out actual mental illness is 'ableism' is beyond counterproductive, and ACTIVELY harmful.
There is not a one of them that doesn't very solidly tick all three boxes for delusional disorder.
- certainty
- refusal to accept any contrary proof or argument
- obviously false or impossible belief
"Gas was $6 under Biden" is delusional disorder.
"They're making the kids gay" is delusional disorder.
Not 'they're scared.'
As funny as it sounds when reading it first (I have to admit I smiled): I am mentally ill and I refuse to be put in the same bin as transphobes.
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@erinaceus So am I. So are literally a quarter of people on the planet at some point in their lives. But it's ok. They're saying that conservatives are mentally ill, not that all mentally ill people are conservatives. And I'm perfectly prepared to accept that conservatism is some kind of psychosis, because it sure as shit isn't rational.
@erinaceus @deFractal interesting; that’s two of you I see taking it that way. I took it as conservatism/transphobia suggested as *one* kind of mental illness and didn’t see that as throwing all mental illnesses in with those views.
I accept and acknowledge it made you both feel that way, and I only mention this because I’m genuinely interested to learn your thoughts on that.
(Just for clarity: I don’t consider myself mentally ill, though some people might due to my AuDHD and, if unmedicated, depression.)
Not for nothing... If trans WERE a mental illness, it's fucking deplorable to treat the mentally ill as poorly as conservatives do.
This is exactly the type of content I came to mastodon, to get away from.
took me a while to get it because I thought the "mentally ill" was referring to conservatives in the first place.
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Bcachefs creator claims his custom LLM is 'fully conscious'
: It's not chatbot psychosis, it's 'math and engineering and neuroscience'Liam Proven (The Register)
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conclusion: the curse of the linux filesystem developer is real, gazing upon that abyss erodes the mind, friends don't let friends etc
@Primavera Does that mean I should worry, or am I protected by not having done filesystem development on Linux for about 20 years?
@ahltorp probably best to keep the thought of it away from the mind at all times, to be on the safe side....
One quote in the article above stuck with me: “teenager … increasingly running circles around me”. Yes, that totally is something that teenagers do. Btw. dude, when was the last time you saw rather than imagined a teenager?
And these are the people who feel qualified to raise something they consider a sentient being. One really has to be grateful for the fact that LLMs aren’t sentient by any means. The humankind is responsible for enough atrocities as it is.
someone needs to write the ballad of Kent...
@TheOneDoc it should be a bloody warning against cis dudes, because when given modify access to a memory setup.... like, it's a scale model of what cis dudes like that would do to a biological
This is sufficiently bizarre to be an outlier on the graph of humanity, I think the only reaction required is to roll the eyes and say "techbros..." with raised shoulders.
@drewtowler yeah, that's about right tbh
This sort of thing makes me embarrassed to be an animist.
@drwho don't. animism is good actually. Kent's just a cunt
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Also, remember the workers in Gaza who have been starving for years without work. My father can't provide for us, so he can't even look us in the eye. We pray for him, and you should join us in praying💔🥺
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of course. nobody is excluded from this sentiment (apart from billionaires & warmongers).
i'm not religious, but i send good wishes.
i'm not religious, but i send good wishes.
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Your wishes have arrived and reached their destination. Stay well always🤍🤍🕊️
@Layan2002 & you, layan. i wanted to say that your father is valued, regardless of his ability to work/earn. i hope that he knows & remembers that.
Thank you so much. My father is a great source of pride for us everywhere; his presence is always with me☺️ But life also requires expenses and costs to continue💔🥺 I'll tell you a few things if I have the chance later
@Layan2002 please, know that i don't mean to sound dismissive of your material circumstances.
all love to you & your family.
all love to you & your family.
You are a very classy person, thank you🇵🇸🕊️
@Layan2002 ha! never been accused of that before, but you're very kind. 😀
You should know that within yourself😅
@Layan2002 all i know is that i'm deeply flawed. 😁
We all do; we must take care of ourselves😅
@Layan2002 indeed. you are wise.
I learned from discussing with you☺️
@Layan2002 i was going to say the same about you. 😀
We are supposed to exchange goodness and advice; no human being can possess everything
@Layan2002 very true. your wisdom is showing again.
Thank you very much🤍🤍🕊️
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@ahimsa_pdx wow! thank you for your kindness. 😀 your support is much appreciated. x
@LaNaehForaday @ahimsa_pdx merci beaucoup. 😀 your lovely assessment means the world to me.
Thank you for reminding me send a thank you message to my dad's primary caregiver, who is amazing. (Dad is 101.) I thank her often (and send bonus checks) but an extra thank you today seemed in order.
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@jeridansky you are a good, good human being & i'm overwhelmed to've been a catalyst for a bit of extra kindness & recognition today. thank you so much for your remarks & i wish your dad & his carer all the happiness. 😀
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Anyone saying "Scientists don't want you to know this fact" has never met a scientist.
Scientists are famous oversharers.
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Or they have but think you haven't and can be tricked with such nonsense.
Perhaps a truer line might be
"Scientific journals don't want you to know this fact... without paying for it."
I recall seeing a scientist here saying how they're willing to provide free copies of their paper upon request, avoiding this cost to the reader.
This, of course, supports your hypothesis about scientists sharing. 😀
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In my experience when someone says "scientists don't want you to know" what they are really saying is "science doesn't support my crackpot theory"
In my experience when someone says "scientists don't want you to know" what they are really saying is "science doesn't support my crackpot theory"
@johnlogic Scientist will be happy as hell to give you a free copy and answer any questions. We are oversharers!
@johnlogic Also, too, you can get access to almost any publication you want or need using a public library. This mysterious procedure is called Interlibrary Loan (ILL). A person called a reference librarian is there to help, and may even be able to help you over the phone, through email or chat! #libraries
@johnlogic and will then spend the rest of the day sobbing with joy because someone else wanted to read their paper.
Corollary:
Anyone saying "(Phenomenon/Thing) defies physics" is about to get an earful from a physicist.
@purplepadma This is one of my tests for believability.
@lisamelton No lies detected. So true.
I've met astronomers at science fiction conventions where a simple question got me a 25 minute lecture. Was awesome!
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Marie Curie always just glowed when she talked about her work.
Scientists are people. Some are notoriously secretive (Tesla,) while others can’t seem to shut up (Kaku.) Some work where they aren’t allowed to share (pharmaceuticals,) and some must “publish or perish. (Academia)
Most likely to overshare: science educators and popularizers. Least likely: researchers on the edge of esoteric disciplines.
Just wait until you see reason 5 why they don't want you to know this fact, you just won't believe it.
It's one of those statements that tries to sound really smart or secretive, but instantly conveys that whatever follows is just as humbug.
the idea that scientists ‘don’t want you to know a fact’ is statistically incompatible with their behavior
they publish ~2.5m papers/yr, upload 200k+ preprints, make >3m figures, and generate so many supplements that journals added file‑size limits because people kept submitting appendices the size of small video games
i once heard of 14gb of raw data uploaded ‘in case someone might care.’
@hvanleeuwen Scientists also know that gb means gram bits. You want GB, gigabytes.
A related joke (originally about engineers):
Scientists make terrible magicians because they always want to explain how the trick works before they show it to you.
"scientologists don't want you to know this fact..." more likely. 😅🤣😂
TBF, I haven't come across an individual IRL who made this claim.
whether or not they've met scientists is irrelevant. they're still getting paid to write the click-bait headline.
more likely, it's an llm doing the writing and the poor guy who may or may not have met a scientist is out on his ass.
they really need to get savvier about sharing their knowledge before they get bumped off, or using deadman switches to ensure their stuff gets published after they go. msn.com/en-us/news/insight/sev…
I was hungry and sat next to a scientist at lunch and he wouldn’t share anything
all we need is a beer that doesn't make you fat but scientists "No! We want to know if there's life on Mars."
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and prolific over sharers I would say...
And they certainly never 100% agree on anything 😁
Another scientist I know of runs a clam facts mastodon account with all the clam facts you could ever want to know
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my mother is a scientist
If you ask one to explain their work, it's often hard to get them to stop talking.
@sunscream 🤣🤣🤣💯Exactly 😹guilty as charged 😹
Exactly. Most scientists seem more eager to share knowledge than hide it.
in my experience the only thing scientists don’t want you to know is they put on mismatched socks this morning and they’re still going to tell you that anyway.
Oh, I know a LOT of scientists who don't want to know an important fact or two!
Fact 1: The genetic clock of a species and its line of ancestry is NOT automatically the same as its generation to generation mutation rate, and cannot be assumed to be so.
Fact 2: The 1,500 fossil individuals known form Africa between 2 & 4.5 million years old, all supposed to be nearer the human lineage than the chimp or human lineage, are not. Many are chimp or gorilla ancestors.
"We interviewed 10 brutally honest scientists and they all don't want you to know this one jaw dropping fact"
@EricLawton Oh really? Tell me more!
On a tour of the museum of nature’s workshops and storage facility. …and spent thirty minutes talking with the mollusk expert. I could have been there for hours getting the excited brain dump from them.
that's usually just used in clickbait news article titles.
The other one is about scientific consensus. Science skeptics pretend there’s a cabal to present a united front. In reality, most scientists try their damndest to *disprove* accepted theories because that’s one very good way of making a name for yourself. Agreeing with everyone does nothing for your reputation. If a majority of scientists agree on anything — up to and including the color of the bloody sky — it’s because there’s no possible way to dispute the facts.
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As is evident every time I talk with someone 😹
Internal conversation: “Ooohh! New person! Did they ever hear this new (scientific fact or discovery) before!?! They look like they really want to hear this!” (Definitely assumed this before opening mouth😹)
In a classroom raises hand: “I just wanted to comment on (various scientific factoids) that the rest of the class might be interested in this (random scientific fact related to factoid), it’s terribly fascinating!”😹
As is evident every time I talk with someone 😹
Internal conversation: “Ooohh! New person! Did they ever hear this new (scientific fact or discovery) before!?! They look like they really want to hear this!” (Definitely assumed this before opening mouth😹)
In a classroom raises hand: “I just wanted to comment on (various scientific factoids) that the rest of the class might be interested in this (random scientific fact related to factoid), it’s terribly fascinating!”😹
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while this is true, there are some facts that I do not want to know from scientists.
(that are usually not related to their field)
@a1ba That casts into questions if those are actually facts.
I’d go even further and say that any fact you can somehow convince a scientist to stop telling you about probably lacks rigour and is inherently suspicious.
How would oversharing relate to being open to listen? Doesn't oversharing imply a failure to be aware of and care for others' needs?
I don't get it.
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In fact, one scientist I know of has started a Squid Facts hotline where you send a text message and get free Squid Facts texted to you.
"Get Squid Facts text "SQUID" to 1 833 SCI TEXT"
There have been a few asbestos, tobacco, fossil fuels emissions and by-products, teflon, nano-materials, thalidomide, oxycodone, cancer researcher, respiratory masking, & respiratory disease transmission vector scientists who seem to have wanted some things not shared or known.
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"Kids are channeling the eras of their parents by increasingly turning to retro tech when it comes to music"
Portable CD players and mp3 players.
Retro tech.
Grind my bones to ash
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Reviewers 1 (8yo) and 2 (6yo) both have own CD players in their rooms and regularly come with stashes of discs from the local library with audiobooks.
We've been considering getting them portable MP3 players.
They don't seem to associate this with retro, just damn useful 😀
New-fangled stuff!
My portable cassette player must be somewhere in this house …
I think they mostly just hate new tech because it’s complicated and iwrapped in subscriptions. My two young adults don’t really care much about channeling eras, it’s more about having stuff that works (like headphone jacks and headphones with cables)
In a wind-powered mill.
or, in my lad’s case, skipping a generation. He’s got no interest in my CD collection, and is going all in on vinyl 🤷♂️
I loved my Discman, I bought it when I was 17. Thirty three years ago. "Parents" be damned, the kids are using the tech of their grandparents!
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Came here to make youth with Victrola tech jibe, but now I am shopping.
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as long as they haven’t gotten to 8 tracks and cassettes yet, I’m still good. 🤪
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Fun fact: Bonobo monkeys,
who we share 98.7% of our
DNA with, are matriarchal
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in reply to Vee • • •Unfortunately, we are much more closely related to chimpanzees, which are horrible animals just like us. Every evil known to man that does not require our intellect or dexterity has been witnessed in chimps, including war.
This is the challenge for humanity, to figure out how to overcome our primitive instincts.
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in reply to Vee • • •Unfortunately, power also corrupts women, but I do think (without having any proof of it) that women are generally less susceptible to corruption.
Here in Iceland we have a female President, all three leading political parties are lead by women (they call themselves “the valkyries”), the major of our only city is a woman as well and then some of the chiefs of police for various regions are women too. Most of them are doing an excellent job but a couple have been caught abusing their power. I think it just shows how alike the sexes really are. No one is from Mars and no one is from Venus, we’re all humans with our individual strengths and flaws.
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Okey dokey, here we go.
Firstly, Bonobo are chimpanzees, not monkeys. Chimpanzees are apes and part of the Hominidae family while to get to common relatives you have to move up to the order of primates before you get monkeys and apes in the same family tree so to speak.
While bonobos are known for using sexual behavior to resolve conflict, they have the capacity to be just as lethal as any other chimpanzee and there are far more than just one record of them killing their own.
Primate scientists are actually reconsidering some of the original works that labeled them as more peaceful than other chimpanzees as a recent study showed that the wild bonobos in the Kokolopori Bonobo Reserve were almost three times as violent as other chimpanzees (measured by recorded incidents of punching, kicking, and biting).
Interestingly, group acts of aggression are almost exclusively led by female Bonobo while solo acts of aggression were more commonly carried out by males.
They are definitely less prone to infanticide than other chimpanzees, but again it's been recorded before and they do kill infant chimps of rival groups, just at a much smaller rate than with other chimpanzees.
Anyway...all that being said, I am a huge proponent of people beating the absolute shite out of any of the people found in the Epstein Files to have been a part of the horrible things that were enabled by Epstein and his money. We just don't need to make things up to do so. That all can happen entirely on its own without made-up facts about Bonobos.
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