Raw numbers are perhaps not enough to get across just how bad the centralisation of the Fediverse by mastodon.social is. I've done a chart to show this visually, hopefully this will make the situation clearer?
Given the circumstances, getting people to join *any* other server except mastodon.social would greatly help decentralise the Fediverse. It's no longer big vs medium vs small, it's more like supergiant deathstar mastodon.social vs everyone else 😞
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J.R.R. Tolkien Expressed a “Heartfelt Loathing” for Walt Disney and Refused to Let Disney Studios Adapt His Work
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J.R.R. Tolkien Expressed a "Heartfelt Loathing" for Walt Disney and Refused to Let Disney Studios Adapt His Work
Image via Wikimedia Commons I’ve just started reading J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit to my daughter.OC (Openculture.com)
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Especially needed with web search engines where it must be in effect not only on search terms but on the results, too!
Suck ASS if you want to, I don't.
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I like that printables.com has this switch for excluding AI-generated 3D models.
Technically, that is a toggle, not a button.
But can we still have it, and have it on as a default?
@pluralistic great!
Ill give you this button as an premium feature, for premium money and itll do premium nothing — except looking fancy!
Deal?
if exclude_AI.disabled():
use_AI()
else:
use_AI_anyway()
You meant to just be a simple browser. Just browse the internet and don't bother me with stuff nobody asked for.
Why a slide switch image for enable/disable checkbox? You tap or click!
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why do you all want a button to exclude AI? In that way you accept this kind of intusion in a passive way. It's like a trojan horse/virus - take it or die.
That is NOT acceptable.
The correct way should allways be the other way around: If someone wants to use AI, he/she/they could actively turn it on. That will be a way to speak with customers on eye level. I know, it is hard to understand, but that is how it is.
Please think extra long and extra deep about these Standards and come to your own conclusion 😉
Today I am stepping down from my role as the CEO of #Mastodon. Though this has been in the works for a while, I can't say I've fully processed how I feel about it. There is a bittersweet part to it, and I think I will miss it, but it also felt necessary. It feels like a goodbye, but it isn't—I intend to stay on and continue to advise the new leadership and contribute, because Mastodon—and the fediverse—is one of the very few beacons of hope for a better web.
blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/…
My next chapter with Mastodon
Reflections on my time leading Mastodon and what's to come next.Mastodon Blog
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thank you, God bless and godspeed!
Yes, #fediverse is the last bastion for community platforms against the corporate model that eventually, and inevitably, devalues into a self-sustaining greed cycle.
@individual8
+1
and to add:
When I look at how Mastodon has evolved, I think you did a VERY good job in saying "no"!
Saying "no" is one of the hardest thing good product people have to do.
Thank you for providing us all a new "home" in these times.
Thanks Eugen. You have delivered a tool that opened a window to return to the original intention of the Internet.
Your focus on decentralisation brought thousands of communities the ability to communicate safely. Among themselves or in connection to others.
The Fediverse wouldn't be where it is now without your tenacity and focus to bring Mastodon to where it is now.
You have the respect and gratitude of many.
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thank you for your work (and play) and all the best in your new adventures, Eugen.
Eskerrik asko guztiagatik.
"The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape. And from my perspective, Mastodon is our best shot at bringing this vision of a better future to the masses."
Amazing 🤩 Wishing you all the best best, Eugen and thank you for everything you have done 🙏🏻
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I am passing the torch to @mellifluousbox, who will be the new Executive Director. Felix has been involved with #Mastodon since 2020 and has been instrumental in evolving the organization, raising funds, and growing the team to get us to where we are now. With @haubles and @renchap by his side, and the team we have assembled over the years, I have faith that the new leadership will do a stellar job.
Hi! Today is my first official day as the Executive Director of Mastodon, replacing @Gargron as CEO. I joined the Mastodon team more than 5 years ago, mostly working for Mastodon in the evenings on top of a 120% day job. I was the driving force behind the incorporation of the German non-profit, am a co-founder of the US 501c3 non-profit, and I have contributed to most of the fundraising success, which allowed us to expand the team.
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Best wishes to you all! Thank you for everything you've done so far and will do in the future! ❤
@mellifluousbox @haubles @renchap
Thank you for all the great work done for the Fediverse, it would not have been this big and public without Mastodon and your effort towards it.
@mellifluousbox @haubles @renchap
It is always mixed feelings when the kids grow and leave the house ;)
You can be proud that mastodon continue to grow without you.
Take care and thank you for this candle of hope that mastodon is.
@mellifluousbox @haubles @renchap
Mastodon is the only social media I use, and I'm grateful both for the philosophy behind it and for the work you've done to build an application the supports this philosophy. Thanks for everything you've done and for all of your hard work.
Thank you for all the work you’ve done!
Mastodon specifically has had a character that I really appreciate, and it brought me to the Fediverse after I’d abandoned all the commercial platforms.
I wish you and your family well.
@mellifluousbox @haubles @renchap
Thanks for all that you have done.
Because of Mastodon, I am reading, writing, and staying up to date on world events again.
thank you for all your work, and for getting Mastodon to where it is.
And thank you for making the hard decision to step down and pass the torch. I have seen too many organizations hobbled by the Founder's Syndrome, it is very good to see Mastodon is taking steps to avoid that.
As you step away somewhat, I just want to say this:
As a senior citizen, a non-tech person, someone who through the years opened various social media accounts then feeling dissatisfied for the many reasons most are here, closed each one and ultimately decided to stay off of social media platforms, I am thankful I found Mastodon.
This space, Mastodon, the fediverse, is unique because of diversity --people of differing opinions, ways of life, genders, education levels, cultures, geographical location and so on...and sure little conflicts arise, often heated discussions, once in a while hate slips in and moderators take action...but overall I think the concept behind Mastodon/Fediverse is what unites everyone.
I think most people I know here would agree, our time here is well spent because we learn from each other.
You facilitated this, the creation of a unique place, and for that this old person sends a big thank you.
"I have so much passion for Mastodon and the fediverse. The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape. And from my perspective, Mastodon is our best shot at bringing this vision of a better future to the masses."
Thanks for all that you've done (which I believe your above comment summarises the most key part of, IMHO), and I wish you all the very best for a happy (and less stressful) future in every way!
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Thank you for what you've done - and endured - over the years. You have my respect for making this transition.
Kudos!
Thank you for what you've created with Mastodon!
It was a bright and bold idea, and a great tool!
It is also one major proof that the Fediverse concept can thrive, and often serves as the first introduction to that decentralized "movement" for many, such as myself.
I hope you'll take some time off to rest and come back stronger to the project!
This might be a good time to express my gratitude for what you have created. Such a wonderful space. Thank you so much!
And please remain part of this amazing (ad)venture.
thank you for starting this project, for shepherding it, and for dealing with all of us 😀
Good luck on your future endeavours!
Sarah Nelson’s gingerbread and a nice cup of tea are on me when I see you in Grasmere

that was a really good post. You have created this out in the open, you've had to learn a lot. You've grown.
It is no easy thing to work in the open, especially with such a popular project.
Ensuring that your project can survive into the future is the most important thing any of us can do in this space, and especially in this time.
Thank you.
“I have so much passion for Mastodon and the fediverse. The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape”
Thank you for making it possible @Gargron !
Fully understand your reasons and am happy you will remain, albeit in a lesser role.
All the best to the four of you. (You, @Ameboid, Peaches and ... I'm so sorry, I can never recall the black cat's name! )
Ich kann mir kaum vorstellen, wie sich das für dich anfühlen muss.
Tausend, tausend Dank für diese wunderbare Plattform und für deine vielen Jahre der Arbeit und die Badewannen voll Herzblut!
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Thinking of what to say, apart from THANK YOU, best wishes, and congratulations, I have just learned that the etymology of pachyderm says "'thick skin', from the Greek παχύς, pachys, 'thick', and δέρμα, derma, 'skin'", so...
Here's hoping your skin can get softer and thinner now, if you so wish!
Hats off.
Thank you for all the beautiful people I have learned to know via mastodon.
Grin grin snap snap wink wink nudge nudge… Know what I mean? Say no more!
Bravissimo Eugene! Every founder's dream should be to build an organisation that can be run by others: this is, surely, the best mark of maturity.
Mastodon is a truly wonderful - and exceptionally important - creation. Traditional investors and business folk might lament lack of (even) faster growth, and urge the raising of much more capital to 'leverage' what you and the team have built so far.
But, as you obviously know, that type of investment sows the seeds of enshittification.
Eugen you've been a personal inspiration to me and offered me and so many others a viable digital space grounded in civil society values, I am incredibly grateful for everything you've done to build and nurture this space.
Whatever else comes next, you've had a significant impact on the Web, something I hold very dear, and I know from experience how hard it is to take a step like this with something you've created and grown.
On behalf of the Tŵt community, diolch yn fawr iawn!
Thank you for all your work on building this place, especially your prioritising of non-technical people who want to use decentralised social networks. Mastodon being aimed at a general non-technical audience was a real breakthrough, as was curating instance lists, the covenant etc.
And thank you especially for putting the project's non-profit status first when you turned down buyouts in 2022, this was a crucial moment that showed real integrity.
All the best for your future 👏
Thank you, Eugen, for all of your efforts from the very beginning until this very moment towards today’s Mastodon.
Wishing the new CEO @mellifluousbox Felix Hlatky also the very best for carrying out this legacy towards more progress and achievements along with the rest of his team Hannah Aubry @haubles and also Renaud Chaput @renchap Wishing you all the very best!
But who am I going to bother from now on? You better stick around @Gargron 😋
I can totally understand this decition and will, as many before me, say Thank You for the vision and fir the work you gave done.
Take steolps for more self care and trust in the fediverse and the Mastodon Non-Profit to take good care of Mastodon.
The fact that you’re stepping down rather than becoming a neurotic megalomaniac is the very proof that you were the right person for the job. Prioritising yourself as a human being is a great example for a safe and sane Internet.
Thanks for all you’ve done and welcome on the Fediverse’s backseat. It ain’t that bad. You can see the driver while enjoying the view!
Thanks a lot Mastodon. Have a good time away from tge helm and being an informed observer. May be difficult to let go but hat one point someone else should take over.
It's a little with with kids. 😜
🖖🖖🖖
I think this is a great step. Not because you did bad work, to the contrary! You did amazing work but at some point it feels inevitable that one burns out with such responsibility and things take a turn for the worse. Even with best and friendliest of people. Stepping down before that happens is a humbling move.
Thank you for the time you served as CEO and looking forward to your future contributions as an advisor!
Thanks for all your work!
Thanks to all you have done for Mastodon to thrive into something awesome, it truly became my home on the social web after the dumpster fire that is Twitter…
I’m glad you’ll still be providing input in some capacity, while taking care of your mental health.
Good luck with your future endeavours!
Thank you for Mastodon Eugene. It's been a sanctuary in a sea of tech-bro hellsites and has gone some way towards restoring my faith in social media.
Enjoy the (relative) peace and quiet 😀
"The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape. And from my perspective, Mastodon is our best shot at bringing this vision of a better future to the masses"
You are correct that #Mastodon and #Fediverse success has lifted a huge responsibility to "sanitize" what is the internet today.
Can I ask if you personally have a desire to advocate for a foundation type of organization that will work as a Non Government organization and lend your expirience and all the people who have worked around the Fediverse and FOSS, in order to create better legislation? Have you spoke about this before and I missed it?
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Much like the Dread Pirate Roberts, the name "John Mastodon" is movable and can be assigned to anyone suitable at a given moment.
But you'll always be the real John Mastodon! Thank you for starting this thing and helping to realise the #ActivityPub potential as envisaged by @cwebber , @evan and all the others.
Thanks for everything, Eugen! This has been one of the few projects that has helped make the internet better.
I get it and I’m glad you’re not stepping away entirely.
Thank you for all that you have done, it has been no mean feat!
It speaks enormously to your character that you are willing to do what you are doing.
Congratulations! You have done great things with Mastodon and deserve a semi-retirement. I will always be glad to see your toots in my feed.
Special thanks for the wisdom to step aside. Wear your humility with pride!
Vielen dank Eugen, ありがとう!!
When I learn that someone like you--who has done such wonderful work for so many people--has personally suffered, I feel truly painful and sad. No one would ever be happy to be unfairly oppressed.
I sincerely hope that you, just as you are, can continue your calm and positive path (with your wonderful wife by your side!).
With respect and gratitude from Tokyo, Japan 😀
@Gargron@mastodon.social Thank you so much for your work.
Even though I don't use Mastodon directly, its positive impact growing the Fediverse is undeniable. ❤️
⏫as long as you shut up about Palestine getting genocided
Yea sure
Good fucking riddance
Long live the fediverse! Long live Mastodon! 
Thank you, Eugen! May your days be filled with joy!

Welcome @mellifluousbox and I look forward to seeing your direction take shape!
Bravo to the whole team for getting this far and still pressing forward 🎉
Thank you so much for all the hard work you've done on this platform over the years.
I haven't always agreed with your decisions, but you've always shown a lot of consideration for them.
I hope you will have time now to relax and enjoy some cat videos or something 😀
You gave us a tool that is free and open. Thank you for your leadership.
I look forward to how the community continues to grow and make the platform even better.
You have done an incredible job for many, many thousands of users here on Mastodon and beyond.
Personally I’d like to thank you for creating this space for me.
All the very best Eugen
"The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape. And from my perspective, Mastodon is our best shot at bringing this vision of a better future to the masses."
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Mastodon is definitely my "island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape" and I have great appreciation for that.
Thank you for your leadership and hard work. I truly believe that what you and many others have created in the fediverse will leave a lasting legacy.
Cheers to your new path in life! I wish you the very best.
Thank you for everything Eugen.
If you ever find yourself in suburban New Jersey, I'll buy you a beer.
Thank you for everything, Eugen! Including modeling self-care and sharing leadership.
Looking forward to your pictures when you feel like sharing as you take a good rest. Put down that heavy pack and breathe. Ya done good.
I don't know if you'll read this, but thanks for truely great work which has brought some little hope into my heart in this age of full speed enshittification.
I am sorry to read comments have chipped things away from your inner self. And, you are right that you created something that is bigger than yourself, but for a better part.
So, I hope you get well in your feelings again. Thanks again for creating Mastodon ❤️💪🏾
What a thoughtful post, such a gracious departure.
Thank you so much for all you created here. It matters more than you think.
incredible run: appreciate the honest and heartfelt post — a level of self awareness we should all aspire to ❤️
look forward to a more healthy future for you!
Thank you for your work. You've given us so much!
And thank you also for choosing a time to move on. This is a very healthy thing to do. I wish you luck, success and enjoyment in your endeavours.
.@Gargron por mi te puedes ir lejos y no volver-
#Mastodon no es mas que otra red de las redes del fediverso que desaparecerá y surgiran de nuevas al lado de las que ya hay, mastodon se metió en el fediverse, siendo una calcomania de Twitter y wsin #GNUsocial nunca hubiera sido nada, sin el #fediverse y ahora parece ser segun ustedes que mastodon hizó al fediverse y NO-
#fediverse >> fediverse.party/
Mastodon solo es un pedacito del fediverse-
No se dice eso en las migraciones
- Fediverse.Party - explore federated networks
Let's make social media free, federated and fun! Fediverse.Party is your guide into the world of decentralized, autonomous networks running on free open software on a myriad of servers across the world. No ads and no algorithms.fediverse.party
You were a great steward to this community and I thank you for your passion and the countless hours.
Being kind and keeping an even bearing in a media landscape that is hostile to both is in its self a great accomplishment. One you undertook while being the sheppard of this decade spanning project. The Fediverse is a safe haven much because of those innumerable small choices to be kind and keep an even head. No apologies necessary, you've earned your reprieve. Enjoy what comes next. 🫶
Dear @Gargron, thank you so much for your huge participation in creating this place we all love so much.
All the best for you and your family! 💐
Joining everyone else in saying, "Thank you for Mastodon." You created something very special, and I hope you're proud.
And I admire you for realizing it was time to step down (while still staying engaged), for your own mental health.
you accomplished something monumental here, Mr. Rochko.
You helped give the world back control of their social media, their very memories, from the clutches of the multinational corporations.
You've helped to rebuild a decentralized internet - the way it was always meant to be.
Someday, your name will be up there with Tim Berners-Lee, Steve Wozniak, and Larry Page, as one of the visionaries that helped connect the world together.
... we're just not there, quite yet.
But your work, here, will pave the way for that to happen. You've helped DEMOCRATIZE the internet. Now any schlub (like me) that's half-competent with computers and can get their hands on an old "throw-away" hunk of metal and plastic can spin up their own little server and connect to a larger social world.
And be found.
Thank you, Mr. Rochko, for helping free us, and for helping connect us.
o7
I hope you can have a relaxing holiday to celebrate your new role. Yay, now you have a whole crew to share the load.
Thank you for all your hard work so far keeping it all together.
Many of your decisions can be criticized, as can most human beings', but you had to take decisions and critic should not come from a position of entitlement nor go beyond what's fair.
Any comment regarding the amount of money you’re getting for what we understood to be a non-profit?
heise.de/news/Mastodon-Gruende…
Mastodon: Gründer macht Chefposten frei und bekommt eine Million Euro
Mastodon soll künftig von einer gemeinnützigen Organisation nach belgischem Recht entwickelt werden. Zudem tritt Eugen Rochko ab, verlässt Mastodon aber nicht.Martin Holland (heise online)
thank you for your work
I was delighted to see that you will get a significant compensation for all your effort and contributions over these years 👍
Just a quick reminder that we've had so much of our freedom taken, and gotten literally *nothing* in return. No peace of mind, no extra safety, no societal value of any kind.
So now, the US is the dictatorship that its stupid, power-mad, corrupt, game-playing political parties have made it, and no one will even admit what they've lost.
theintercept.com/2015/11/17/u-…
U.S. Mass Surveillance Has No Record of Thwarting Large Terror Attacks, Regardless of Snowden Leaks
A newly disclosed DHS document, for instance, shows how the lack of ISIS attacks in the U.S. is not something the intelligence community can take credit for.Jenna McLaughlin (The Intercept)
When you're running low on fake criminals to arrest for made up reasons, so you try to expand the pool a bit!
timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/ne…
USCIS halts upstate naturalization ceremonies, leaving hundreds waiting
Clerks in seven upstate counties say the agency offered no explanation for the sudden cancellationswww.timesunion.com
Hear me out
At this moment in time I am more pissed than when Trump won his second term.
I'm a supporter of third parties because I have felt for decades that neither the Democrats or Republicans have our interest in mind. When the that of Trump emerged, especially in the second term, I bought into the "Democrats care more at least" narrative. For the first time I was motivated against the evil more than I was voting for what I believed.
And here I am watching the people who are supposed to "be a little better" completely throw America under the bus after paying lip service and having people go without pay and go without food assistance and then throw that away despite those people sending a clear message that they were behind the fight.
Trump is evil and he wears that on his sleeve but it's the Democrats who are saying they care but still just throw America under the bus. Please explain to me how the wolf in sheep's clothing is better than the wolf that makes it's self known.
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Sadly, it's incredibly simple. It is virtually impossible to get elected without lots of money. Big corporate donors to the Democrats were fine with this until their CEO's faced the prospect of not being able to fly their jets home without delays, so they called the party up and said "fix this or I'm not sending you any more money!" And then the Dems caved.
In the US, if you try to run on just your principles, you're almost assured to be in a third party. Bernie Sanders might be the only one who manages to escape this trap.
@alan
On Saturday I would have said OK.... But today, fuck that. It's not the people dumping money into campaigns but the people like you saying "it's impossible" because if every person that ever said that voted for a third party then we would be seeing a real revolution right now.
The Democrats just spoke loud and clear that they don't give a shit about us. Why should I keep voting for people that don't care?
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Two things, I wasn't saying it's impossible. Second, not quite "people like me" though. I live in a country where money is less important, but still we have at most three viable choices, thanks to the first past the post voting system. I've voted for my second or third choice more than once because in my location, opposition to the right is split among several parties, so it's a case of "pick the person on the left who is most likely to win, independent of party". That's worked, but only one time out of three.
You guys really don't have a Left. Up here the Dems would be seen as right wingers who lean slightly toward the centre. Then again, here most voters know the difference between a socialist and a communist.
The US needs to both fix the funding model and the way votes are tallied, and nobody is holding their breath on that one.
Were I a US citizen and in a democratic or swing state, I'd be working to get the person most like Bernie or AOC elected in the primary. Were I in a red state, I'd be working to get the GOP candidate least like Trump elected. In both cases I might vote independent anyway.
@alan
I didn't catch that you weren't a US citizen so apologies for that.
We have a very broken system here and the reality is ranked choice voting (combined with strong third parties) is likely our only hope but I fear it's too late for that. Democrats really did rally and earn the centrist and independent vote and today they shot that all to hell.
Most of all what happened today is the Democrats ripped hope away from people... A hope that grew so much last week.
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I hate to say this, but it was always a false hope. As your closest partner, we've got a massive interest in seeing the US have a viable democracy and honestly it's been looking less and less viable over the past few decades. I wish I knew what the answer was, but whatever it is we all hope it can be achieved peacefully.
A wave of independents would be great but I really don't know how you overcome the "my granddaddy's granddaddy was a Republican, and so am I, so even if their platform explicitly says they'll cut my arm off and feed it to me for breakfast I'm voting for the GOP" problem.
As for voting systems, I'm leaning more toward proportional representation than ranked choice, but I'll take anything other than FPP. Let the house be full of a cacophony of voices where meaningful compromise is the only way forward.
@alan
Ranked choice basically gives people the option of voting for a third party while not letting "the bad guys" win because you can say "I like third party but if they don't win then I like Democrats" so it takes away the biggest obstacle to getting people to vote for a third party.
As for generations I live in West Virginia and the whole state basically swapped a decade or so ago so change can happen (though I wish WV went the other way).
@alan
8 Dems who need to be voted out, while meanwhile better Dems need to be voted in -- it's the voters who put them in these positions to do good or harm
@alan
8 Democrats, voted in by voters in their states -- find better Dems to vote in when you can, because the Repubs are not going to suddenly care about us
To be clear, I don't know how I'll vote. Maybe the Democrats will do something (boot Schumer?) to turn this around. I doubt it.
The thing is last week I actually felt good about getting behind the Democrats... Hell, I actually had a little hope for our country. What they did today has just made me feel horrible and all the hope that I actually had is gone.
It's really hard to get behind a group of people that just completely shattered what little hope I had. Watching people I supported stand aside and let an authoritarian party walk all over them isn't exactly people I *want* to vote for....
I don't want to have to tell future generations that I voted for the party that rolled out the red carpet for evil.
In order to report my phone as lost, I have to log in to the carrier's website. In order to log in to the carrier's website, I have to type in my password as usual, and *then* I have to type in the 9 digit code they sent to my phone... My lost phone.
2-factor authentication has never *once* done me any good, but it sure has fucked up plenty of significant events in my life! Good job, Comp. Sci., you made everything suck.
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"Such an update allows the company in China to create an update that allows the bus to not run in any way. "
zetland.dk/historie/svNwC3c5-a…
Dybt i et norsk fjeld blev en kinesisk bybus splittet ad. En status på vores frygt
En kinesisk bus blev nøje analyseret for mystiske signaler.Kaare Sørensen (Zetland)
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The most thought proving article I have read this week:
A Norwegian bus company wants to know if their buses could be abused by China in the case of war.
So they drive two buses deep into a limestone mine to isolate them from the internet and forensically investigate how they work.
In the mine, investigators discover a Chinese kill switch which could destroy all Chinese buses.
In Denmark, that is 57 percent of the bus fleet.
Source (Danish):
zetland.dk/historie/svNwC3c5-a…
Dybt i et norsk fjeld blev en kinesisk bybus splittet ad. En status på vores frygt
En kinesisk bus blev nøje analyseret for mystiske signaler.Kaare Sørensen (Zetland)
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@titanmanfred John Deere tractors aren't cheap, to buy or to repair.
I wonder where the Chinese got the idea of software/IP lock in from?
@titanmanfred just to amplifiy this point. Nearly all internet connected devices have a kill switch.
Teslas have a kill switch
Your ISP supplied router has a kill switch
Your phone has a kill switch
Your Windows computer has a kill switch
Your programmable bed has a kill switch
Your robot vacuum has a kill switch
Your MS Mail account and your Bank account has a kill switch (ask ICC judges)
Your data in the US owned cloud (even if hosted in Europe) has a kill switch
F35 planes, NATO donated to Ukraine, have a kill switch.
Your Polish locomotive has a kill switch (activated if you try and use an independent repair shop).
All these have been mentioned in the news and in the Fediverse recently.
Most of these are controlled by US or Chinese companies. Particularly with Trump in charge and alll the tech Billionaires subbing him are you sure that the American ones are less lilkely to be used against you by the USAian companies than the Chinese companies to disable your kit and maybe your life?a
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* my cars are 1975 and 1990
* using Linux since 20years
* ...
US made John Deere tractors also have a kill switch and it has been used to disable some of them (in this case tractors stolen by Russian troops) remotely:
orchardandvine.net/news/john-d…
edition.cnn.com/2022/05/01/eur…
(EDIT: this was also mentioned briefly in the Danish article linked above)
John Deere ‘Kill Switch’ Renders Stolen Tractors Useless
John Deere has struck a blow against the Russian Army, in its war of aggression in Ukraine.orchardandvine.net
To be honest: I'd love a broad scale analysis of this. Few days ago it as a vacuum cleaner, now buses...
Test this in all things. From mobile phones to cars (don't care if Chinese, US or German), smart beds (well... actually leave these ones out. Who buys a bed that needs internet?!), switches, routers, water pumps, ....
I bet they'll find stuff in too many places.
Some people might find open hardware and open source guys annoying but this what they talk about.
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Not just China doing this. I remember arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20…
It is generally not a good idea to give others control over apparatuses that you own.
Trains were designed to break down after third-party repairs, hackers find
The train manufacturer accused the hackers of slander.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
you have plenty of this, everywhere
one of my favorite is farmers using hackers to be able to self-repair their tractors...
copperhilltech.com/blog/farmer…
Farmers Are Hacking Their Tractors Because of a Right to Repair Ban
For decades, American farmers have been at the mercy of agricultural equipment manufacturers, who have locked down their tractors with proprietary software, restricting repair options and forcing owners to seek expensive, manufacturer-approved servic…Copperhill
Is this really surprising?
And, btw, don't you think the US (or Russia) don't do the same?
Time for Europeans to grow up, to stand up and get their balls unleashed from whoever hold them tight! 🙂
Here's another article about this in German:
derstandard.at/story/300000029…
Chinesische Busse in Oslo könnten von China aus gesteuert werden – sie fahren auch in Amstetten
Die Verkehrsbetriebe der norwegischen Hauptstadt testeten im Sommer neu angekaufte Fahrzeuge. Auch in Dänemark und in Niederösterreich fahren die BusseDER STANDARD
The existence of a kill switch is one thing, but what's more fundamental here in the case of a bus is why on earth it has to be connected to the public internet in the first place?
It just doesn't make sense.
Peraphs not..
We must ask ourself where this suspious comes from? I've get you a clue in the interview linked below.
Reminds me of Polish train manufacturer bricking their trains located close to independent repair shops.
So far, the only people suffering for this decision are the people that helped unbrick the trains in question.
hackaday.com/2023/12/14/polish…
This is not a China phenomenon but a greed one. Not to say that Chinese government doesn’t enjoy the results, just that I doubt they had to actively instruct anyone to include these kill switches.
Polish Train Manufacturer Threatens Hackers Who Unbricked Their Trains
A week ago we covered the story of a Polish train manufacturer who was caught using software to brick their products after they had been repaired by in independent railway workshop. Now 404 Media h…Hackaday
Tl;Dr
Chinese electric buses have independent outgoing Comms that are used for navigation and OTA updates.
These updates could be designed to disable the vehicle (or they could do it by accident).
As others have noted, pretty much all electronic devices (from doorbell cams and printers to trains and combat aircraft) from all manufacturers (western and Chinese) have this issue.
Good to check and worthwhile developing processes to firewall, monitor and control this access.
European option:
"The extensive network of IVECO BUS and IVECO service points guarantees support wherever a vehicle is operating worldwide. The manufacturer employs more than 5,000 people and has five factories, located in Annonay and Rorthais in France, in Vysoké Myto in the Czech Republic, and in Brescia and Foggia, in Italy."
ivecobus.com/france/La-Marque
La Marque - En route vers le changement | IVECO BUS |
IVECO BUS, acteur clé du transport public. Découvrez notre entreprise, nos équipes, et comment nous menons le changement.www.ivecobus.com
Sad story, Alstom Aptis was manufacturing good electrical buses in Alsace, France, but due to low demand, they cease activities in 2021.
European Union countries should give priority to EU products so that OUR companies don't close and to prevent sad surprises.
@pa27 thats a bunch of bullshit
Here’s what can happen:
You can get cut off from software updates
You can get cut off from American made parts
But guess what - America needs the parts made in evey f35 partner nation to keep their jets flying too
The program forces everyone to play nice
Kill switches are fantastic folks. The question is only about who controls the switch.
-- When the owner of the asset can control the kill, it is a boon for privacy, anti theft, and pro security.
-- When an adversary controls it, it is coercive, malicious, dangerous and predatory.
A Norwegian bus company wants to know if their buses could be abused by China in the case of war.
in the mine, investigators discover a Chinese kill switch which could destroy all Chinese buses.
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Thank you for replicating the ridiculous accusations. A sim card and update box was found.
That system is used in thousands of buses, trains, cars, tesla for example can be switched off from usa as can john deer tractors.
Isn't this a well known practice? Isn't Tesla doing the same with OTA sw updates, performance monitoring et.c. of the vehicles they manufacture?
But, I guess, we are all conditioned to see #US #technofascism as more acceptable, for some reason.
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I think @65dBnoise has a point. I’m pretty sure the same sort of feature is built into nearly every “smart” lightbulb and “smart TV.” The issue is not the nationality of the software developer. It’s the whole notion of being dependent on some cloud service, generally.
If the authors think war is the only reason the company would use that kill switch (or even the most likely reason) try repairing a bus with unapproved parts or trying to make unauthorised modifications to the software running on the bus. Or maybe just try not paying the bill.
@randahl
@shelldozer C’mon. Be realistic. If the Danish rep in the UN condemns the treatment of Uighurs in China, the Chinese bus manufacturer is not going to retaliate by bricking a bunch of buses in Denmark. The diplomatic fallout would be extreme.
The point is well taken that once it’s possible to brick these buses at all, it is possible to do that for a trivial reason. And what they discovered is that it is possible. But that doesn’t make it likely that they would do this for a trivial reason.
Sadly, I can’t figure out how to pass that article through a translator so I haven’t read it. When I hand it to google translate on my phone, Danish still comes out.
@65dBnoise @randahl
wow! clever investigation, thanks for this eye opener. I'm sure it is the same here in Aotearoa
it's almost as if trading with terrorist states was a bad idea in the first place.
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The most thought-provoking thing about this article is that it highlights the absolutely wild level of sinophobia in scandinavia.
My wife's Volvo has remote firmware update functionality, is that a Swedish killswitch? Every one of the tens of thousands of Teslas in Denmark has remote update functionality, is that an American killswitch? Modern BMWs have remote update functionality, are those German killswitches?
I personally hate the techbroization of modern cars, and I believe that every one of these features should be regulated out of existence, but
it's amazing how this kind of stuff is accepted and normal in every part of our lives until a company based in China does it, and suddenly it's "😱 THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS KILLSWITCHES IN OUR BUSSES 😱"
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@Tak Not wanting remote kill switches in products has nothing to do with sinophobia. I am against ALL remote kill switches from ANY country that my country could potentially go to war with.
After Donald Trump has threatened to invade Greenland, I find it deeply problematic that Danish politicians continue to use American iPhones. That does not make me anti-American. It just makes me conscious of the very real security risks Donald Trump represents.
Chinese 'kill switches' found in equipment at US solar firms trigger national security fears. What are the
Engineers have discovered 'kill switches' embedded in Chinese-manufactured parts on American solar farms, raising fears Beijing could manipulate supplies or 'physically destroy' grids across the US, UK and Europe.ET Online (Economic Times)
well, translation does not sound that scary and specific:
> " The Chinese electric bus contains a computer that, among other things, controls the bus's battery and engine, so the bus can most efficiently drive around Oslo. And this computer is – via a small sim card – on the Internet, so it can send information and sometimes retrieve an update back. For yes, a bus can be updated in exactly the same way as your phone."
TL;DR: remote tracking and updates which can be used maliciously
To be fair, my ten year old north american GM car has the same kind of remote "kill switch" vulnerability. It's there as a feature of the OnStar theft protection package that came with the car even though I'm not paying for it.
If the U.S. regime wanted to take over Canada, it could (potentially) order car companies to disable nearly every car and truck we have.
#autos #theftprotection #ElbowsUp
Sorry, unless we suddenly start to take non-elective OTA updates without safeguards such as independently reviewed, reproducible source code builds as the theoretical but very possible general threat that they are, I fail to see how this is special. Even more so because @briankrebs boosted it.
Vendor-forced OTA updates are an accepted practice. Attack the practice, not the practitioner.
@briankrebs
Honestly, with the Cloud Act and similar laws in place and tech companies obediently submitting to the Trump Administration, I don't really trust any product from the US, and I am saying this with a lot of US tech on my desk. I don't see why I should trust US products any more than I trust Chinese ones.
If it would serve his purpose, Trump would jump in Putins' lap in a heart beat and abadon Kyjiw. Right now, he's just heartbroken about his imaginary best buddy.
To be fair: All Tesla's, and probably many other EV's on the market today have this same functionality.
It's not a "kill switch" directly, it's that the busses support OTA with full admin-rights directly from the manufacturer without user envolvement that could theoretically be used as a kill switch.
Now, if you read further on the "Lion Cage" project, that is scary shit.
Polish Train Maker Is Suing the Hackers Who Exposed Its Anti-Repair Tricks
Newag, maker of Polish trains, is suing ethical hackers who exposed its anti-repair software, threatening independent repair and consumer rights.Charlie Sorrel (iFixit)
yup. That SLAPP is indeed insane.
Dunno if this was brought up, this time a Chinese smart vacuum.
cybernews.com/security/enginee…
Version of the story from The Guardian.
Danish authorities in rush to close security loophole in Chinese electric buses theguardian.com/world/2025/nov…
Danish authorities in rush to close security loophole in Chinese electric buses
Investigation launched after discovery that Chinese supplier had remote access to vehicles’ control systemsMiranda Bryant (The Guardian)
@kcarr2015 It is so funny for us Danes to see the politicians panicking now.
For years, Danish security experts warned about this, but most politician arrogantly rejected this as paranoia.
There was a tv-show were a politician from Venstre arrogantly said: "It is okay to fear wars and such, but one cannot fear a computer".
huawei suspected of kill switch in routers
dji drones suspected of kill switch
e-cars suspected of kill switch
vacuums suspected of mapping
WHEN DO NATIONS START DEMANDING OS SOVEREIGNTY?
(not expensive or complicated: it's called open source software and linux)
PS: the expensive and complicated part?
EDUCATING VOTERS TO VOTE FOR IT
do busses really need to be connected to the internet?
however attractive that seems, the possibility (actuality, in this case) of remote interference makes it too costly.
same for everything else, too. does my fridge need to be? my tv?
This is important - and is true for all internet connected tech.
Something I've thought a lot of lately because of our proximity to the US and reliance on US tech - in spite of the threats of annexation coming from Trump.
Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Most certainly - and the due diligence needs to be done to make sure critical hardware and services are hardened and impervious to such an attack.
I just wrote a similar article about Israel banning Chinese cars from the military...
securityboulevard.com/2025/11/…
Why Israel Just Banned 700 Chinese Cars from Its Military—And What It Means for Security - Security Boulevard
In early November, the Israeli Defense Forces made a decision that sent ripples through defense and cybersecurity circles worldwide: withdraw every In early November, the Israeli Defense Forces made a decision that sent ripples through defense and cy…Jack Poller (Security Boulevard)
Ok I read the translated article and it seems that what they found was the computer that controls the battery and inverter had a sim card in to to allow for firmware updates.
In theory the firmware could be updated to kill the bus but I couldn't see any mention of a function in the existing firmware kill the bus.
This "update firmware to kill" vulnerablity is present in any hardware that can be updated.
Sometimes it happens inadvertently when apple/Google brick a load of phones.
And that is why being electronically independent make sense. Unfortunately not is not always possible but these tests are easy to perform by forensics. That being said, include a clause in the contract specifying remote kill switches, investigate the product you are buying and return them if you find something related.
If you are a country this should be mandatory
tomshardware.com/tech-industry…
Article says that investigators found no spying functions and no kill switch.
They "discovered" auto update function. Described scenario is of course possible (for every device with auto update function), but this is not a kill switch.
But I guess any reason is good for anti-Chineese FUD?
yeah, i mean even look at appliances. its hard to find a non-smart or basic fridge without smart apps or screens built into them.
Polish on Polish Train kill switches. Maybe this is more of anabuse of IP issue than a security/defense issue.
The story of the great Polish train hack
Polish rolling stock company Newag has alleged its train systems were illegally hacked, making four of its trains unsafe.Patrick Rhys Atack (Railway Technology)
So they are not different from Teslas.
Or from any other device that can get OTA updates, which allows the maker of the device to install any change any time?
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saying they "found a kill switch" is a bit alarmist IMO.
They found that over the air firmware updates are supported. Yes the manufacturer could in principle ship broken firmware, but there's no indication they built functionality specifically to disable the buses - unlike, say, European and North American car manufacturers, which build in features specifically designed for dealerships to disable a car if the buyer misses payments, sold *as a feature* to dealerships.
These kill switches are likely embedded in every chip-enabled product.
It's a national security problem. Spyware, control, & sabotage all in one.
But it's also part of a fossil fuel disinformation campaign to undermine renewable energy.
It's for accelerated planned obsolescence in household appliances, phones, computers, routers, vehicles, satellites, home heating, public lighting, electric grids, and solar & wind electricity generation.
reuters.com/sustainability/cli…
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However, when the Right were nattering on about Huawei, remember Accusations are Confessions
wired.com/story/intel-earnings…
theguardian.com/technology/202…
cbc.ca/news/business/us-lutnic…
investors.com/news/trump-stock…
m.economictimes.com/news/inter…
Now that Trump owns 10% of Intel, will Intel chips also get kill switches?
Reminder, both China & the USA have a long history of taking hostages, regime change, & expansionist wars
bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-5…
@Winfried Angele 🇺🇦🇪🇺 @JP Mens @Randahl Fink They weren't looking for the SIM card, they were looking for *any* external communications. Every electronic device has the potential to carry a transceiver, whether for good or evil. They were going to a place guaranteed to have no other RF transmissions at all so that they could know that anything they detected came from the bus.
Afterward, having found nothing else, they examined the potential attack vectors exposed by the SIM card.
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This clicks with my support for the right-to-repair movement here in the US and elsewhere...consumers should be able to repair their purchases, replace batteries, etc. themselves or by a third party, rather than being forced to go back to the dealer or simply discard it and buy a new product.
And related to that....the ability to turn off updates or sever connections should they see fit.
Two articles in English:
- cybernews.com/security/norway-…
- aa.com.tr/en/europe/oslo-tests…
Oslo tests reveal Chinese electric buses can be switched off remotely
Public transport operator Ruter says manufacturer access allows buses to be stopped from China, prompting Norway to review cybersecurity risks in public transport - Anadolu Ajansıwww.aa.com.tr
Doesn't the SIM card have to connect to a specific, paid-for network? So who is paying for the network?
If there's a way to get a working SIM card without paying, I'm very interested.
I suppose the next step is that the Chinese will require the SIM card to be in place to operate. Which means the bus will stop if you drive through a 0-bar location. And the drive won't be able to call for help because her phone will also have no connection.
This seems like an important story. Unfortunately the Zetland site doesn't allow Google Translate.
It is misleading though.
Not a kill switch a software update mechanism.
That doesn’t get clicks though does it
@jwildeboer but then you would have to believe that your Faraday cage worked.
When you drive into a mountain, no one questions that your experiment really blocks all communication.
I think that could be the reason for using the mountain.
Isn't it funny how the right constantly wrings their hands over how members of any societal group they don't like, be it trans people, gay people, or even just users of recreational drugs, need to lose a bunch of their rights because somehow, they are a danger to children?
And by "funny", I mean "infuriating", because so many of them are themselves the actual threat to children...
thepinknews.com/2025/11/04/you…
Christian youth pastor who shared anti-LGBTQ+ post arrested on child sexual abuse charges
A Christian youth pastor who shared anti-LGBTQ+ posts has been arrested on child sexual abuse charges in California.Amelia Hansford (PinkNews | Latest lesbian, gay, bi and trans news | LGBTQ+ news)
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"The plane was fueled with 38,000 gallons at the time, due to the lengthy trip to Hawaii - sparking a fire that spread to cover FIVE MILES."
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…
Seven killed when UPS cargo plane explodes upon takeoff at Louisville airport
The MD-11 plane exploded around 5.15pm as it departed Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport.Melissa Koenig (Daily Mail)
So I guess they don't have to say "papers, please" before violating your civil liberties any more...
Linux: spending hours of your precious and finite life trying to figure out how the fuck do I make it do the thing
Windows: spending hours of your precious and finite life trying to figure out how the fuck do I stop it from do the thing
Computers in General, man
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There was a brief moment in time, when Windows based computers just worked.
Back when Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000 and Windows XP were used.
(Though, to be honest, already Windows 2000 and Windows XP showed clear signs of enshittification. Windows 2000 had the unholy marriage of Internet Explorer and Explorer, and Windows XP started the whole "basically all commercial software is now spyware" story...)
But only Linux gives me that feeling of „I might have spent way too much time on this, the way it works now is janky as hell and breaks if I breathe on it too hard but *it does what I want and it‘s mine*“
Sadly it seems to be a Runner’s High like thing, where you have to spend lots of time and energy to get to a level where you can experience that short & fleeting elation which can be had easier and more reliably be e.g. gooning
Also, I strongly prefer having to invest some extra time to get stuff working, to not even having a tiny bit of a chance to find out what the computer is doing that I didn't ask it for.
Check out how many checkboxes ShutUp10++ has - and I'm certain that's barely scratching the surface...
Me: "But I can use an external screen!"
Him: ...
Me: ...
ICYMI, Joe Menn had a good scoop this week about how the US govt is getting set to ban TP-Link devices from being sold in the United States. If that happens, a whole lot of small businesses will probably need to find new networking gear. I have never trusted TP-Link devices and have repeatedly warned readers away from them. They have a history of flooding the market with massively underpriced hardware, and this is a market where generally speaking the cheapest means the most hackable. Here's one reply I sent to a reader in 2023 who inquired about finding what appeared to be an undocumented cloud login page.
msn.com/en-us/news/politics/u-…
"Thanks for your readership and the nice note. I was posting on Mastodon yesterday about your very brand of router!
infosec.exchange/@briankrebs/1…
"I realize that NYT and others constantly recommend TPLink b/c of the features vs price point, but I would stay away from this brand, and any that force you to register "in the cloud" before you can use them as local networking devices. You do not want your router to do anything except when you tell it do so, and to my mind all this cloud business being attached to network storage and local network things is troubling."
"If you are at all confident around computers, I'd recommend getting something like a high-end ASUS router and then installing an open source firmware on it, like Tomato or something. Because the default software that is on most routers is complete garbage, and often turns on a lot of stuff you really don't want turned on, or has other stupid default settings. If updating your new $160 router w/ third party firmware that could brick it if you screw it up is too much, then just stick with a Netgear router and make sure you check for firmware updates periodically."
BrianKrebs (@briankrebs@infosec.exchange)
This is pretty neat. It's common for IoT malware threats to patch infected routers, etc. so they can't be updated (with other malware or security patches).BrianKrebs (Infosec Exchange)
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There a reference page on the login accounts and remote access? I'd like to go poking on mine to see if they're there. I've had reports like that about bugs that turned out to only apply to earlier models, not mine.
Next router, I think, is going to be an industrial mini-PC with enough network ports and an OpenWRT build.
TP-Link urges immediate updates for Omada Gateways after critical flaws discovery
TP-Link warns of critical flaws in Omada gateways across ER, G, and FR models. Users should update firmware immediately to stay secure.Pierluigi Paganini (Security Affairs)
Hello Brian,
Thanks for the heads-up regarding that brand. If you'll permit another reader question, would you still recommend changing hardware for those who've installed custom firmware on their devices? I've been running a TP-Link router for years, but I did so by flashing DD-WRT on day 1 (dd-wrt.com). Is it still worth changing to remove that security/privacy risk, or is the custom firmware enough for home use?
Thanks!
@paulehoffman It's probably a good idea to check out the OpenWRT wiki and consult their current list of supported devices. As previously mentioned, newer models with Mediatek chipsets and a lot of RAM will serve you well. The other thing you'll probably notice is a performance boost, especially if you are relying on hardware that is 5+ years old.
here is a list of router features to disable.
routersecurity.org/turnoff.php
Router Security - Turn Off Stuff
Turning off features in a router - RouterSecurity.orgroutersecurity.org
As for Turrris their hardware is not made in China, so good. UI may be a bit too techie for some.
As for tplink they have multiple consumer lines and a single professional line. Someone more experienced than me has said good things about the pro line. Pro devices do not require registering for a tplink cloud account.
Trump's Department of Labor has a new social media ad campaign, and I thought I had seen that Aryan race vibe somewhere before, so I looked it up.
I truly hate how the Nazis always used white, tall, males in their propaganda, as if nothing else existed.
The new Trump regime ad has 13 different posters, and all characters are tall, white men.
that's simply fascist stuff. Unbelieveable, they don't even try to hide it.
Wonder if the 'ballroom' may contain any replucas or Originals of the works of Hitlers preferred sculpturer Arno Breker.
'I can't eat as much as I would like to throw up! ' Max Liebermann
Their idea of amerikkka : only men and only white .
Seems that they lived in another dimension.
Look at Stephen Miller Kash Patel MarcoRubio
They are clearly saying the less you are white, tall or male you are, the less American you are and the less you are valued.
It’s disgusting.
Just because the Republicans are trying to remove all our rights doean't mean it isn't bad when Democrats try to take away whatever is left!
This law would take domestic violence "red flag" determination (where the courts can already convict someone of being a violent threat who can never be allowed to own firearms without having to bother with any pesky constitutional due process) away from the courts and give it to the cops.
They're giving the criminal gang at least 40% of whose members will be engaging in domestic violence, statistically, the authority to convict someone of domestic violence.
Am I missing something here? Do we think that since cops are experts on beating your spouse, they have the expertise to recognize it in others?
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US people: If you are white, not racist, not a supporter of ethnic cleansing, but are struggling to pay bills, or don't know how you will afford food next month...
First of all, I am genuinely sorry for the stress you are dealing with. Truly.
Second, this stress was placed on you intentionally. By racists.
Their idea is that you will stop caring about other people and become more racist as you become more desperate.
These racists don't care about *helping* other white people. They don't care about you.
They care about *hurting* Black and brown people, and creating their white ethnostate.
They happily shared stats showing that in pre-war Germany, the nazi party got the most support where hunger and hardship were highest.
They also celebrated the eugenic cruelty that followed the Influenza pandemic, back when "long Covid" or "long flu" were not terms that people understood.
No, I do not think that they invented Covid in a nazi lab.🤦🏿♂️
But the worst of them definitely celebrated its arrival, and said "Let 'er rip, this helps us," at first because of the high Black death toll, and later because of the impact on the elderly, and the desperation and healthcare callousness.
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I'm sure I've heard this from many Black communities, that community is how to defeat this, because hating an idea is much easier than hating Steve, who lent you some diesel for your generator so you didn't freeze.
Trouble is, so many communities got hollowed out by the myth of the independent nuclear family, once unions and other collectives got squeezed out. Thatcher over here praised "no such thing as society" because society gets in the way of conservative plans.
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Post-war Germany isn't any different. Support for fascists is strongest in industrially weak East Germany, especially in even less developed rural areas that still don't have some industry mixed in as often seen in rural areas in West Germany.
Fascists everywhere thrive on inequality and poverty, but have no intentions whatsoever to change any of it for the better. If anything, their policies would make it even worse.
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I respect your need to protect your mental health. I do.
But I'm not putting CWs on every one of my posts that describes policy decisions that affect every Black person in America. That's not going to happen.
I don't post graphic imagery without CWs. But the whole point of my Mastodon account is to shine a light on the systemic harms which are usually hidden.
So your choices are:
* Block me
* Use a Mastodon client that allows you to do some NLP on posts and do the filtering on your side
No hard feelings if you block me! ♥️👍🏿
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You swear a lot in your posts. Some people are very offended by swear words.
If someone asked you to put a CW on every single one of your posts that included a swear word, you might find that unreasonable.
You might instead put a disclaimer on your profile, and ask people to unfollow / block.
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White people view Black people living their lives as "politics." I reject that framing.
Just like I reject the framing of trans people living their lives as "politics." A trans person is not politics. A Black person is not politics.
Politics is "Should we raise the taxes? Or "Should we lower the taxes?" Not "Should we do some ethnic cleansing?" Or "Should trans people exist?"
And your "common etiquette" on the Fedi sucks, and is why there are no Black people here.
I was polite the first time. I'm still being a gentleman about it for the moment, but the answer is still no. I'm not CW posts about racism that affects every Black person in the US. Your choices are still block/unfollow, or put the filters on the client side. I know that you know how to code, so you know how to do that.
But expecting me to put CWs on all my posts about racism, is never going to happen. You can keep asking, but the answer remains no.
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The answer will remain no because you are inconsiderate. You are putting your desire to call out systemic issues above everyone else's desire to have a mindful community in which hard triggers can be avoided.
My intent was not to frame your post as politics. I totally agree with your point that human rights, equality and equity are not politics. Genuinely sorry if it came across this way.
The larger point is that we need not push people who are already in personal crises to their absolute limit by taking away their tools of feed moderation, because someone thinks their issue is just too important. There is a genocide going on against my people. We need not fight, but to be united against our oppressors. My pain is different from your pain, but strangely similar in a lot of ways. This is not about importance or restricting speech. It is about protecting our communities, where many already live in fear or despair. People in fear and despair do not rise, they do not fight, they do not resist. They hide. We do not need to push people into a corner any further. We should, nay, must empower them.
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No,
The answer is that you're another selfish white person on Mastodon that expects Black people to put CWs on everything we post, and you throw a little tantrum when the answer is no.
Black people usually do one of two things at this point:
1. Leave the Fediverse, or
2. Tell you to go away.
I'm telling you to go away.
You've asked for something, you've heard that the answer is no. So why are you still here? If you believe that my unwillingness to put content warnings on everything that I post is inconsiderate, then why don't you block me and be done with it? Why would you want to have access to such an inconsiderate person's posts? Perhaps all Black people are inconsiderate? Maybe racism is right? Block us all!
Will there be anything else?
then why don't you block me and be done with it?
Because I am not an all-or-nothing type of person. Discourse, even if heated, is valuable. Not just to you or me, but to witnesses and outsiders.
I really do not appreciate your framing and your apparent unwillingness to engage in genuine discourse. You call marginalized and mentally ill people names, which pains to see me, because you are apparently able to do that and sleep well at night.
The only one currently throwing a tantrum is yourself. I could now be extremely cynical and say "you're just another cisgender person on Mastodon that expects transgender individuals to accept the way you behave unconditionally, or to exclude themselves from all discourse unconditionally"
However, that would be fucking ridiculous, no? Think about that.
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You speak as if Black people don't have mental health issues, or as if there aren't hundreds of thousands of Black trans people on Twitter.
The Black people on social media with mental health issues that are traumatized by racism, enjoy my posts! It helps them. They are hurt when I post things and people like you ask me to CW everything. I choose to prioritize their needs over yours.
Yes, I am just another cisgender dude online! Guilty! 🙋🏿♂️ And I'm one of those annoying hypermasculine straight guys to boot! Mr MMA man, boxer, college football player, powerlifter, bench press record holder, captain of the college rugby team, worked as a bouncer, dated dancers, still talks about his undefeated high school football team at 40+ years old, you know the type! Yuck!
But no, I don't expect anything of trans people. I don't expect anything of anyone other than for them to leave when they ask me to CW something and I say no. I've given you two options: Block / mute / unfollow, or accept my super Black posts.
And I'm immune to people that try to use their other marginalized identities to try to get Black people to stop talking about Black things.
So no, there will be no CW.
We can keep going, or you can go away.
Content warnings are something you do for the sake of others, not something to demand that others do for you. The expectation that someone else be made responsible for your comfort, or avoidance of discomfort, is a cornerstone of the racism. It is why when nonwhites protest, they are inexplicably always doing it incorrectly: because to protest is to be noticed, and whites demand that nonwhites be always unnoticeable.
Retrain yourself to accept what is offered, and no more.
> desperation, hardship, etc,
> likelihood of being racist or more racist / radicalized or mobilized
What’s so insanely fucked is the web of shit with how it’s probable that there are quite a few humans who are so awful that they don’t even consider race. Everyone is simply beneath them and racism in part is a tool to control massive amounts of people who are willing to help achieve your goals.
Then there’s just the truly hateful shit heel racists. There’s way more of them.
“Their idea is that you will stop caring about other people and become more racist as you become more desperate.”
I just add another monthly donation I can’t afford whenever they make me really mad. Latest is my city’s food pantry.
Along the same lines, we've been deliberately creating failed states South of our border to provide an endless supply of nonwhite scapegoats for at least a hundred years.
Anybody remember when Karl Rove cracked wise about the "reality-based community"? How we study reality and he creates it? In hindsight I can see what he meant. He was going to create a lot of failed states in the Middle East and flood Europe with nonwhite refugees to give their haters a target. Worked pretty well.
Remember--there are no unintended consequences in politics. What happens is what was supposed to happen. Ignore the bullshit justifications.
Right up there with the eugenists
Poverty brings criminals, drugs but no racists.
Either you are a racist or you aren‘t.
Many poor people don’t have that Choice. A racist has.
Far right is prospering in a Part of Germany where Porsche and Mercedes are located.
Don’t Sell yourself that cheap to Break it down to that Level where „white trash“ is responsible for racist.
Good morning Mr Plan-A ☕️
Big plans today?
I'm in dire need of an RDP "mouse jiggler"! When you have a security-martinet IT team, but need to read stuff on two connections while building on the 3rd, the two you aren't activating time out in like 5 minutes. IT says "As defined".
So, I need a way to send a jiggle or something to the inactive servers so that they think they are doing something and don't time out!
Are these physical servers in your possession? Do they have wake on Lan set to true in the BIOS. Make sure you have ICMP turned on and the ports enabled and setup a cronjob to send them a ping. You can open the port for only a specific machine if openning ICMP to the Internet would be an issue.
An AI just told me that my prose is "punchy". I responded with a smart-ass comment denying pugilistic tendencies on my part. It began its answer with, "I suspect you already knew the difference, but were joking..." Then, it gave me a large treatise on the distinction anyway, just in case.
I'm less worried about an AI takeover than I am about AIs treating us all like they're our disappointed parents!
Holy crap. If you're thinking you really want to know every possible technical detail of the submersibles owned by a redacted person who may or may not have directed 'Titanic', now's your chance!
media.defense.gov/2025/Sep/17/…
NTSB Investigation
Loss of the submarine Titan in the North Atlantic on June 18, 2023media.defense.gov
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Struggling with vibe coding? You just need to get better at prompting. Here is a six video series "course" to teach you how to write the most effective AI prompts and get the most out of vibe coding!
(Do you ever wonder what it would be like if there were some special language for giving commands to computers... a kind of prompting language so they would do *exactly* what you wanted? Maybe someone should invent that.)
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Yes, and the people not getting the chair are probably pension funds, who are currently starting to invest in "AI startups".
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variables:
- variable:
variable-name: prompt-text
variable-value: "write a valid yaml-configuration for a CI/CD-pipeline for deploying a lambda service for verifying yaml-code"
enabled:
value: true
I shall now start a Flame War on which language is the best prompt language and why.
I open with VAX VMS DCL
Your turn ...
Yeah! Like a language where each statement works in a predictable way. You could even use concepts from math like "and" and "or" to speed up the process and remove ambiguity.
Maybe this is just a dream... anyways back to the vibes!
Took a course in ATDD once, which covered Cucumber.
It's a concept worth revisiting, as it bridges the gap between human and machine languages, by producing specifications which can be programmatically turned to working code.
@muellerwhh
1) Use AI generated code as scaffolding. Hand polish the result, the look & feel, the usability, the human touch, the quirk, the flourish.
2) For the love of God, is QA a Lost Art? QA does not care who wrote the code (🧑 🤖 👽 ) Don't tell the QA department you fired all the programmers and replaced them with AI.
After reading this post, I've decided to flesh out the ideas a little. And I think I may have conceptualised the future of vibe coding!
First, the problem of inconsistencies in how AIs respond to prompts.
We need better predictability!
So let's create a standard syntax for prompts, so when you enter a given prompt in a particular way, the machine will always respond in a standard way.
We'll call these next-gen prompts "commands".
As long as you know this simple "language" of commands, the machine will always do what you want!
Now, on to the problem of needing complex prompts for complex vibe coding jobs.
Let's take away the guesswork.
Instead of trying to precisely enter one complicated long prompt, let's instead have a series of simpler commands that get executed one after the other.
A "program" of commands, if you will.
So you don't have to re-enter your program on prompts, let's invent a physical media for storing and loading these programs.
Now, the next big elephant in the AI room is resource use.
Let's solve this issue so that the command interpreter "AI" software runs with very few resources. I know this is a stretch goal, but perhaps even an 8-bit microcomputer with just 64K of RAM?
And to really make this catch on, let's make this AI vibe command programming language so simple, even an 8-year-old can understand it.
A "basic" programming language, if you will.
Now I know this "Basic" programming language AI vibe coding system sounds extraordinary.
But I promise you that for just $10 billion in VC funding and total indemnity against copyright infringement, I will happily deliver a 64K 8-bit microcomputer with the BASIC programming language preinstalled!
This is the future of AI folks! Feel the singularity approaching!
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@aj this is so crazy. It just might work.
Can we call this AI creation an Intelligence Done Easily system, like an IDE?
Remember when we were all worried that Huawei had filled our telecoms infrastructure with listening devices and killswitches? It sure would be dangerous if a corporation beholden to a brutal autocrat became structurally essential to your country's continued operations, huh?
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In other, unrelated news, earlier this month, Trump's DoJ ordered Apple and Google to remove apps that allowed users to report ICE's roving gangs of masked thugs, who have kidnapped thousands of our neighbors and sent them to black sites:
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Apple and Google capitulated. Apple also capitulated to Trump by removing apps that collect hand-verified, double-checked videos of ICE violence. Apple declared ICE's thugs to be a "protected class" that may not be disparaged in apps available to Apple's customers:
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Of course, iPhones can (technically) run apps that Apple doesn't want you to run. All you have to do is "jailbreak" your phone and install an independent app store.
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Tech giants Apple and Google have been quietly removing ways for citizens to document The United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s activities. On this week’s On the Media, ...WNYC Studios
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Just one problem: the US Trade Rep bullied every country in the world into banning jailbreaking, meaning that if Trump (a man who never met a grievance that was too petty to pursue) orders Tim Cook (a man who never found a boot he wouldn't lick) to remove apps from your country's app store, you won't be able to get those apps from anyone else:
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Now, you *could* get your government to order Apple to open up its platform to third-party app stores, but they will not comply - instead, they'll drown your country in spurious legal threats:
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And they'll threaten to pull out of your country altogether:
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Of course, Google's no better. Not only do they capitulate to every demand from Trump, but they're also locking down Android so that you'll no longer be allowed to install apps unless Google approves of them (meaning that Trump now has a *de facto* veto over your Android apps):
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For decades, China hawks have accused Chinese tech giants of being puppeteered by the Chinese state, vehicles for projecting Chinese state power around the world.
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Meanwhile, the Chinese state has declared war on its tech companies, treating them as competitors, not instruments:
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When it comes to US foreign policy, every accusation is a confession. Snowden showed us how the US tech giants were being used to wiretap virtually every person alive for the US government.
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More than a decade later, Microsoft has been forced to admit that they will *still* allow Trump's lackeys to plunder Europeans' data, *even if that data is stored on servers in the EU*:
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Microsoft is *definitely* a means for the US to project its power around the world.
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When Trump denounced Karim Khan, the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, for indicting Netanyahu for genocide, Microsoft obliged by nuking Khan's email, documents, calendar and contacts:
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This is exactly the kind of thing Trump's toadies warned us would happen if we let Huawei into our countries. Every accusation is a confession.
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But it's worse than that. The very worst-case speculative scenario for Huawei-as-Chinese-Trojan-horse is infinitely better than the non-speculative, real ways in which the US has killswitched and bugged the world's devices.
Take CALEA, a Clinton-era law that requires all network switches to be equipped with law-enforcement back-doors that allow anyone who holds the right credential to take over the switch and listen in, block, or spoof its data.
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Virtually every network switch manufactured is CALEA-compliant, which is how the NSA was able to listen in on the Greek Prime Minister's phone calls to gain competitive advantage for the competign Salt Lake City Olympic bid:
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CALEA backdoors are a single point of failure for the world's networking systems.
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Nominally, CALEA backdoors are under US control, but the reality is that *lots* of hackers exploit CALEA to attack governments and corporations, inside the US and abroad. Remember Salt Typhoon, the worst-ever hacking attack on US government agencies and large corporations? The Salt Typhoon hackers used CALEA as their entry point into those networks:
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US monopolists - within Trump's coercive reach - control so many of the world's critical systems.
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Take John Deere, the ag-tech monopolist that supplies the majority of the world's tractors. By design, those tractors do not allow the farmers who own them to alter their software. That's so John Deere can force farmers to use Deere's own technicians for repairs, and so that Deere can extract soil data from farmers' tractors to sell into the global futures market.
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A tractor is a networked computer in a fancy, expensive case filled with whirling blades, and at any time, Deere can reach into any tractor and permanently immobilize it. Remember when Russian looters stole those Ukrainian tractors and took them to Chechnya, only to have Deere remotely brick their loot, turning the tractors into multi-ton paperweights?
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Many of us cheered the high-tech comeuppance, but when you consider that Trump could order Deere to do this to *all* tractors, on his whim, this gets a lot more sinister:
pluralistic.net/2022/05/08/abo…
Any government thinking about the future of geopolitics in an era of Trump's mad king fascism should be thinking about how to flash those tractors - and phones, and games consoles, and medical implants, and ventilators - with free and open software that is under its owner's control.
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The problem is that every country in the world has signed up to America's ban on jailbreaking.
In the EU, it's Article 6 of the Copyright Directive. In Mexico, it's the IP chapter of the USMCA. If Central America, it's via CAFTA. In Australia, it's the US-Australia Free Trade Agreement.
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In Canada, it's 2012's Bill C-11, which bans Canadian farmers from fixing their own tractors, Canadian drivers from taking their cars to a mechanic of their choosing, and Canadian iPhone and games console owners from choosing to buy their software from a Canadian store:
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These anti-jailbreaking laws were designed as a tool of economic extraction, a way to protect American tech companies' sky-high fees and rampant privacy invasions by making it illegal, everywhere, for anyone to alter how these devices work without the manufacturer's permission.
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But today, these laws have created clusters of deep-seated infrastructural vulnerabilities that reach into all our digital devices and services, including the digital devices that harvest our crops, supply oxygen to our lungs, or tell us when Trump's masked shock-troops are hunting people in our vicinity.
It's well past time for a post-American internet. Every device and every service should be designed so that the people who use them have the final say over how they work.
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Manufacturers' back doors and digital locks that prevent us from updating our devices with software of our choosing were never a good idea. Today, they're a catastrophe.
The world signed up to these laws because the US threatened them with tariffs if they didn't do as they were told. Well, happy Liberation Day, everyone. The US told the world to pass America's tech laws or face American tariffs.
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When someone threatens to burn down your house unless you do as you're told, *and then they burn your house down anyway*, you don't have to keep doing what they told you.
When Putin invaded Ukraine, he inadvertently pushed the EU to accelerate its solarization efforts, to escape their reliance on Russian gas, and now Europe is a decade ahead of schedule in meeting its zero-emissions goals:
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In Q2 2025, renewables powered 54% of EU electricity, with solar leading the mix and topping all sources in June for the first time.Michelle Lewis (Electrek)
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Today, another mad dictator is threatening the world's infrastructure. For the rest of the world to escape dictators' demands, they will have to accelerate their independence from American tech - not just Russian gas. A post-American internet starts with abandoning the laws that give US companies - and therefore Trump - a veto over how your technology works.
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I'm on a tour with my new book *Enshittification*!
Catch me next in #SanFrancisco, #Portland and #Seattle!
Full schedule with dates and links at:
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As scary as all that is, and it's very scary, thoughts on how existing geopolitical power structures could be disrupted by widespread availability of energy that's an order of magnitude cheaper than today?
volts.wtf/p/super-deep-geother…
(Acknowledging the real possibility that the existing power structures take action to either kill this baby in the crib or coopt it and restrict deployment.)
Super-deep geothermal drilling ... with microwaves
I talk with Quaise CEO Carlos Araque about a technology that could persuade the oil and gas industry to drill for heat instead of fuel.David Roberts (Volts)
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So... I like to audit the devices on my network for unexpected Ethernet packets. I tried searching for CALEA exploits and how they work and didn't see how to protect myself. Is it a stream of bytes and port knocking that activates it?
I do remember back in the late 1990's a particular stream of bytes through my ISP's network would shut down their T3 line for the entire state, which required a manual reboot to restore service. And it was reproducible. With a UseNet News binary of a mp3... Ooops... That CALEA?
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You WILL (for now...) be able to sideload unaproved apps by the ADB debug (USB) bridge, but that requires having a real computer.
Question then becomes this: if an Android ICEblock app requires ADB sideloading what percentage of intended users would be up to teaching themselves to use ADB from the command line?
Remember, making every computer boot to a command prompt like Windows 3.1 did, most people would treat that as an outage.
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Effectively zero.
Is not the answer to rely on web apps running on EU servers (right next to Fediverse servers...)?
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Absent blocking entire websites where such apps would reside, there's no way I'm aware of for an OS to prevent using an "app" residing on a web server.
If we get to the point where the government is forcing blocking of websites, we've got far bigger problems.
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The mechanisms by which citizens are remade into subjects & serfs, it often begins with being made into a captive consumer.
Reminder of who funds Apple: #PrinceBonesaw
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The fossil fuel industry is deeply invested in choicelessness.
Saudi Arabia's crown prince visits Apple, Google
Saudi Arabia's millennial crown prince got to see the inside of Apple's new $5 billion campus.Kif Leswing (Business Insider)
thanks! I thought you might enjoy this paper we recently authored on related issues…
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No National Cloud should be hosted outside that nation.
No national Cloud should be designed or maintained by companies with ties to foreign governments-that way lies espionage and kill-switch-fuelled blackmail.
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MTG recently started making statements that don't sound completely insane. Possible explanations:
1) A handler has recently shoved their hand up her ass.
2) A new handler has their hand up her ass.
3) She recently escaped her handler.
Thoughts?
Some notes for the "UX" people out there designing user interfaces:
1) Don't mix menu options and gestures in the same workflow.
2) Don't mix menu options and gestures in the same workflow.
3) Don't mix menu options and gestures in the same workflow.
4) For pity's fucking sake, don't mix menu options and gestures in the same workflow!
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When everyone uses a developers library a developer thinks 'Great they all love my work!'. When someone does something similar in UI/UX the UI/UX design expert screams 'plagiarism, how dare they!'
UI/UX design experts are different breed. I believe the only one that really give a sh@t about them are other UI/UX designers. They are really the outcasts of the development community. By their own choice.
"We didn’t love freedom enough. We submitted with pleasure!"
Even if you are sure you don't need extra security, you need extra security. Change messengers! The people keeping you "secure" are farming you like pigs, and the slaughter is a-comin'!
friendica.rogueproject.org/dis…
In 2023, Signal was the first mainstream messenger to enable post-quantum cryptography. We’re still ahead of the (elliptical) curve, implementing a new hybrid PQ ratchet ensuring Forward Secrecy & Post-Compromise Security even in a post-quantum world. signal.org/blog/spqr/Signal Protocol and Post-Quantum Ratchets
We are excited to announce a significant advancement in the security of the Signal Protocol: the introduction of the Sparse Post Quantum Ratchet (SPQR).Signal Messenger
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in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •p.p.s. If anyone currently on mastodon.social wants help moving to a different server, there's an easy-to-understand step-by-step guide at fedi.tips/transferring-your-ma…
Let me know if you have any difficulties with any particular step 🙂
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in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •p.p.p.s. Looks like Mastodon gGmbH are now discussing this issue, really good to hear them being proactive! 👍
Let's give the new leadership a chance and see what they come up with 🙂
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in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •Who Moderates My Posts and Timeline?
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in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •I think one of the main problems is you can't transfer your posts to a new account. But I heard that @jonny was maybe working on finding a fix for this! So, one can hope that if this gets fixed it will be much easier for people to move out of mastodon.social.
PS: thank you for all your great guides 😀
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If you follow the guide, your old posts will remain in existence and help redirect people to your new account 🙂
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I recently did a poll, and nearly half of all people who voted said that it bothered them that their posts didn't migrate with their accounts.
I have to admit, I was quite surprised.
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in reply to Jürgen Hubert • • •@juergen_hubert you were surprised that it wasn't more? Or less?
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That it wasn't less.
I mean, for me #Mastodon is #microblogging first and foremost. And in microblogging, posts are ephemeral and soon forgotten. Personally, I don't really _care_ what I posted a year ago - unless I bookmarked it. And even then, the old posts arent even _gone_ unless the old instance closes down.
But evidently, a very large number of Mastodon users feel very differently about this.
mementomori.social/@juergen_hu…
@elduvelle
That it wasn't less.
I mean, for me #Mastodon is #microblogging first and foremost. And in microblogging, posts are ephemeral and soon forgotten. Personally, I don't really _care_ what I posted a year ago - unless I bookmarked it. And even then, the old posts arent even _gone_ unless the old instance closes down.
But evidently, a very large number of Mastodon users feel very differently about this.
mementomori.social/@juergen_hu…
Jürgen Hubert
2025-11-05 13:14:21
El Duvelle
in reply to Jürgen Hubert • • •@juergen_hubert
I see! Indeed I am more on the side of "permanent repository of my thoughts", I often search my old posts for some link, poll or info that I know exists in the past. I wouldn't want to migrate instances if it meant loosing my post history. I'd rather loose my follows / followers - you can always find then back - than my posts.
I guess I probably also have some trauma from when I had to leave twitter to join mastodon and had to say bye-bye to all my precious tweets.. Not ready for that to ever happen again!
Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩
in reply to El Duvelle • • •i've moved and deleted thousands of old posts. it doesn't bother me, i think like juergen. but also, i never quote post, and don't see the point: just reply to the person
but i appreciate some people want to keep their posts forever, and like quote posts. it's not like someone else having another option hurts me in any way
but moving posts is *hard*
if you reply to 1,000 comments on 500 servers, then move, every database on every server needs an extensive update
Moss Wizard
in reply to El Duvelle • • •El Duvelle
in reply to Moss Wizard • • •A website is really not the same purpose as an interactive communication platform like Mastodon / Fedi though. It doesn't have the same reach - people have to go and read your website. The interest of the posts on here is not just the posts content but the discussions that come with them.
It's also not that easy to set up, you have to figure out a host, make the website, regularly update the website, probably pay for the domain name etc. (I never made a website, there are probably a lot more steps). It's a good thing to have but certainly not a replacement for social media.
Jürgen Hubert
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle @Moss
It's possible to split the middle, though. For instance, I am running a #WordPress site - and turned it into a #Fediverse server with the #ActivityPub plugin.
Now people can search for individual blog posts on their Fediverse instance, and read it and comment on it as if it was a Mastodon post (for instance).
There are also quite a few other Fediverse-based blogging solutions that allow people to blog right into other people's feeds.
Moss Wizard
in reply to Jürgen Hubert • • •Veronica Olsen 🏳️🌈🇳🇴🌻
in reply to Jürgen Hubert • • •me
in reply to Veronica Olsen 🏳️🌈🇳🇴🌻 • • •Jürgen Hubert
in reply to me • • •...out of curiosity, how often have you actually looked at it since you downloaded it?
El Duvelle
in reply to Jürgen Hubert • • •@juergen_hubert @me @veronica
I also spend hours (days?) figuring out how to get a twitter archive working.
Do I go back to it sometimes? Yes! I would say once every few months to try and find something that I posted. Unfortunately it couldn't archive other people's posts, or even poll results, so it's not that useful.
I also used it to (re-)make some of my pinned posts on here, e.g:
neuromatch.social/@elduvelle_n… (my "work" account)
neuromatch.social/@elduvelle/1…
This is the archive: elduvelle.github.io/
El Duvelle (@elduvelle@neuromatch.social)
El Duvelle (neurospace.live)hannah aubry
in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩
in reply to hannah aubry • • •Sensitive content
hannah aubry
in reply to Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩 • • •Fedi.Garden 🌱
in reply to hannah aubry • • •@haubles @Rowan
Just to push back against this concept of a "starter server" or "launching place", that doesn't really exist. There are just well-run servers and badly-run servers.
There's nothing easier or safer or tutorial-like about using mastodon.social than other reputable servers, and if there was it would simply encourage even more people to join mastodon.social and stay there 😦
Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩
in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •Sensitive content
My thought is that mastodon.social should enforce its role as a launching place by not allowing anyone to stay there long term.
Fedi.Garden 🌱
in reply to Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩 • • •@Rowan @haubles
I don't think throwing people off a server when they've done nothing wrong is a good idea?
It would be easier to just add tutorial features to the software itself so that they are available to new people on any server.
Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩
in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •Sensitive content
Mastodon Migration
in reply to Making Up Rowan 🏳️⚧️👩 • • •@Rowan @haubles
Think it has merit. Another way to think about this concept would be to take a page from role playing computer games. When you start you arrive on "newbie island" when you walk through a few simple tasks that familiarize you with the UI and your various server options. But pretty soon you have to (get to!) move off into the real game equipt with some knowledge, the choices you've made, and a modicum of skill.
Marc Thomas
in reply to Fedi.Garden 🌱 • • •I feel like this is really easily solvable by just having the apps randomly cycle which server is selected by "default" when people are signing up. Obviously still give the option for people to manually select their preferred network, but by having the default random.
Just limit the random server selection to something like 10-20 reputable instances that have a track record of quality administration. That would avoid sending people to an instance that is unsupported and at a higher risk of shutting down.
Fedi.Garden 🌱
in reply to Marc Thomas • • •@mthx
Yup, that's what a number of people have been saying, and it's what e.g. @nextcloud does on their Nextcloud instance picker.
Get a pool of reliable servers with a good long track record, recommend them in rotation instead of recommending mastodon.social.