Four hours: travel to doctor, get letter, go to shop, get food, use train, go to another shop get food, use train, go home.
Exhausted. Hate this. Lots of little things add up. But I did it, which is positive I suppose. And COULD do it.
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Autistic Burnout isn’t failure.
It’s not weakness.
It’s not a sign that you didn’t try hard enough.
Autistic Burnout is what happens when the world demands your mask.
When your needs are invisible, your rhythms ignored, and your value tied to performance.
It’s not just exhaustion...
It’s a full-body protest.
A sacred “no more.”
Autistic burnout isn’t about giving up.
It’s about being forced to disconnect from yourself just to survive.
You don’t need to bounce back.
You need space to return to yourself.
That’s not recovery.
That’s liberation.
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@littlescraps I like that! I'm a big fan of the Murderbot Diaries, and one of the things I really appreciate are the emergency shutdowns when it's injured.
Maybe something from the nuclear industry like "core exposure"?
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@akamran @littlescraps
"Scram is sometimes cited as being an acronym for safety control rod axe man or safety cut rope axe man."
"...had an actual control rod tied to a rope with a man with an axe standing next to it; cutting the rope would mean the rods would fall by gravity into the reactor core, shutting the reactor down."
So now I have the image of a little man in my head ready to cut the rope to a control rod ready to shut me down. I can blame shutdowns on him. 😆
The metaphor does work well for how I feel in shutdown though, like any reactions are just being absorbed by control rods thrust into my head.
Which just reinforces that the term 'meltdown' works well for me also, but then I'm a sci & tech nerd. The term may convey something different to other people like you say, littlescraps. 🤷
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Also like, cascading overload. Perhaps something like, near terminal node failure, for burnout.
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@littlescraps
I contend it is clinical PTSD. Multiple burnouts is C-PTSD.
Burnout we used to call a ‘nervous breakdown’ but neither of those things are clinical diagnosis.
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most of us have experienced a tremendous amount of bullying, abuse, trauma and a lack of compassion, support, or safe space, non-stop in our lives. I think it’s that hopelessness and feeling of no way out is what brings us to burnout/ptsd.
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I tend to use two metaphors, not electrical though:
- Material fatigue en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_… for the internal perception and progression of damage
- Aerodynamic stall en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_(f… for how it depends on the plane's shape and speed, the way usual control mechanisms become useless, and getting out of a stall requires counterintuitive actions
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Post by "Ouaquaga on Chenango", username JnxOuaquaga on Twitter:
"Being autistic is repeating the exact thing you mean over and over, very clearly, while the people around you make a game out of seeing how much they can misunderstand you."
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@actuallyautistic @autistics
Yeah, it's just what I do when the alt text gets ignored 😅
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If you can’t add alt text, I know how it can be hard for some us being autistic, you can use the # Alt4me . I used it recently and someone kindly did it for me.
I was unable to add it right away due to different time zones, but I did it as soon as I can. 😊
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That certainly is how it feels. I just saw it happen in a Discord server. An autistic person was trying to talk about sex and gender and was using very strict, and not universally accepted, definitions of "male" and "female" when talking about transgender people. Others were getting angry at how they were using the words. No amount of explanation helped, and the person absolutely could not understand why anyone was upset.
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@JigmeDatse i once had to repeat myself 5 times in 2 minutes because two people were just not listening and it wasn’t even a complex statement
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You think I’m hard to be around?
Try being me.
Try being a bodymind that doesn’t regulate the way you want it to.
A mind that notices everything and can’t let go.
A heart that feels too much and is still told it’s not enough.
Try begging for support and being told you’re too articulate to need help.
Try masking your entire existence just to survive a work meeting.
Try collapsing from burnout and then blaming yourself for not recovering fast enough.
I’m not hard to be around.
I’m exhausted.
And still here.
Still trying.
Still showing up.
You call that a problem?
I call that a f***ing triumph.
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Internalized ableism, as I see it, is a deeply ingrained way of thinking that creates unnecessary pain and distress by comparing your current reality with some fictional ideal of what people “should” be able to do.
#ActuallyAutistic #AuDHD #Autistic #Neurodiversity #NeuroDivergent #ND
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Apparently, we're moral by virtue of disability?
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"why am I....? I should at least be able to.... Everyone else is...... How come I can't....?"
Voice in my head. Every. Single. Day.
#latediagnosed #adultautist #ND #actualautism #internalisedableism
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Social Media is void of any purpose that you do not allot it. If you find it meaningless then it is. If you find it to be useful then it is. I would ask myself what value I have from sharing my views and ideas? Has it been productive? Was just expressing myself on a public forum in regards to all the ideas I have had pent up therapeutic?
Like you, I am a pretty much a loner. I do visit my children and grandchildren though do not get out nearly as often as society says I should. Though very few people follow me and I am sure I do not make any great impressions. I do find sharing my ideas and views to be therapeutic to me. Even if no one responds that is fine. I did not need anyone's approval as much as I just needed to say it. If that makes any sense to you.
30 mile bike ride was a joy today. Getting my fitness back.
Eyesight is improving with exercises to eye muscles.
Core is strengthening.
Still find balance is off when walking sometimes and crowds are overstimulating.
A work in progress.
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I can't willingly use that e-ink phone as a main device.
For the manufacturer to achieve "Google certification" they have to bundle the full suite of Google apps and services in a way that is.... Undoable.
You can disable some of the services and apps, but any attempts to "degoogle" the device are in vain as the system will restore anything uninstalled (via adb) on reboot. To get root is a pain and potentially leaves the device unable to obtain security updates.
The user has zero control.
I have spent more time setting up firewalls, blocks, and mitigations on this aggressively anti-user device than I have actually using it productively since getting it.
This makes me sad. I wish I wasn't "me" about it, but I cannot trust these companies or their services with my data, identity, or security. None of it has my wellbeing in mind, ever.
It just feels like I've got a phone with some kind of sexuallly transmitted infection that will never go away. I can't do it.
@plan-A
I'm not angry, just disappointed.
Which is a lot worse.
"I am disappointed in you*. You could have been so much better."
*the device/company obviously
Google is a marketing firm. Yes telemetry is important to their business model. It is how they make money. They have invested billions in android (300 million just to deploy the OS). On one hand I get why people get concerned about their so-called information. On the other hand I just do not care about what information Google collects about me. There is absolutely nothing I use my phone or tablet for that would make it possible for me to care less what information they gather or sell. It means absolutely nothing at all to me. It is not like I even notice or that it has any effect on my life.
So if I might ask you about your obsession to de-goolge. What information are they getting from you that concerns you to the degree that you feel it is worth this hardship? By what metric do you measure the impact that their telemetry effects your life?
I used to work in Cyber Security. I understand the legitimate needs for security. Though I also know that some are obsessed (not implying you are) with a need for security that far outweighs reality. To the degree that their mental health would be far better off if they did not even bother with the topic. They spend more time worrying about anonymity and bizarre unlikely possibilities of attack vectors that they would be far better off psychologically if they just turned of their devices and never used the internet again. Their compulsion to try to remain anonymous on an international network drives them to unhealthy places. Even though it is very likely they are as anonymous as they really need to be by just doing nothing at all. There are 8 billion plus people on this planet. No one is that interested in me specifically that I need concern myself. Maybe it establishes some sort of self worth to believe otherwise?
The vast majority of telemetry gathered and sold will never be seen by a human being. There is just to much of it. It is distilled by algorithms and AI (these days) for marketing trends. No one really cares, to the degree we want to believe, about our mundane lives.
It may seem that I am entirely naive to not care. Though I sleep fine and am never frustrated with my tech that works just fine and meets all my needs for it. Though I do understand that our self-esteem wants to have us believe that our data is important. It is a security issue right? Well maybe in regards to our self-esteem in any case.
@Unus Nemo Totally legit points to make. It just feels creepy. I'm tired of "things" doing "things" for me.
I have a DAP, it plays music, it stays off the network, it sounds good. Job done.
Same with my e-reader. I got a Linux-based one. It shows me e-books and I read them. That's it. It doesn't go on a network either. Easy.
This phone thing. I have wanted a mobile internet device since? Since WAP was a thing. Now, I really just want a couple of secure messaging programs, email and a browser.
I don't actually want a phone if I'm honest. I don't talk to people and SMS isn't a thing. I can't remember the last time I sent an sms... Maybe 2011? 2012? Apart from my bank, I don't know anyone who sends anything like that anymore. It's dead like the fax machine.
Messaging family overseas and referencing info can be useful. The whole "engagement, clicks, likes, subscribe, +1s, swipes and followers" thing? It's all a bit played out.
TL;DR I'm too old for this shit.
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I had rehab/physio today. Damn my left side is not good. I have lost of exercises to do. For my body and my eyes.
My organiser turned up too! Need a nice pen for it now. And some inserts, like calendars, addressbooks etc.
Let me get this straight: 37 miles cycling in one hit is a doozy. 5km run in 35°c heat is doable(at pre-stroke pace too!).
Walking to the hospital and dreading going there? That emotional baggage and mental work fills my head to the point that it exhausts me.
Bloody brain. Needs rewiring.
Lordy. If anything shows me the trouble I've got with muscles and balance #post-stroke and in #recovery, it's getting back on my #skateboard !!
Damn. I can cruise around. But flip tricks ? #nope.
I was never one for throwing it down like some guys and going hell for leather. But simple ollie? Casper flip? Damn. Least I'm out having a go.
That's called #activerecovery or something. 37 mile bike ride is easy. This shit right here?? Fine balance skills and vestibular input? Oooph.
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100% this...
Plus, a lot of companies dont provide a company phone, so do they have to use their personal one, isn't that a hell of a risk ?
@djdiskmachine @beaumains Could you just carry this tracking device around for us, and Oh, can your company use your car whilst you are at work too ?
FOC of course.
"The Bros often don't have a clue about the real world."
OR they do, and see this as another lever they can use to scare the crap out of the "living-check-to-check" poverty class to keep motivating them/us into continuing to compromise again and again and never stand up to the oppressive and predatory system
while I was on vacation I tried to log into Google via passkey (to follow peoples map pins.) It didn't accept it (??) Every time I entered the password it knocked me back to the screen to enter the passkey. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
My own fault for enabling a technology I didn't fully understand at the time.
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This.
This is why I have refused to even attempt to set up pass keys so far.
Passkeys will do little-to-nothing to stop phishing, because phishers have at their disposal (1) an essentially-infinite supply of domains in ~1000 junk gTLDs (2) an essentially infinite supply of hosting thanks to providers who do NO due diligence (3) an essentially infinite supply of email accounts thanks to large email providers who also do NO due diligence (more)
(4) clueless corporations who send email messages with HTML/typography/graphics/links...thus training their customers that any message that looks like it's authentic IS authentic and that they should follow the links (5) increasingly-dumbed-down email UIs that conceal important information by default AND mark obviously fake messages from not-really-your-bank.xyz as "authentic" because they pass DKIM just as readily as real messages from really-your-bank.com.
@DarthWombat That's why passkeys are useful, they are immune to all of that. If your bank is example.com, example.net cannot compromise your account. Even if you're 100% convinced that example.net is your real bank, your passkey for example.com will not work there. This has been tested in the real world, it has stopped some very sophisticated phishing attempts.
blog.cloudflare.com/2022-07-sm…
The mechanics of a sophisticated phishing scam and how we stopped it
Yesterday, August 8, 2022, Twilio shared that they’d been compromised by a targeted phishing attack. Around the same time as Twilio was attacked, we saw an attack with very similar characteristics also targeting Cloudflare’s employees.The Cloudflare Blog
@williamoconnell @DarthWombat Passkeys, even in the best possible imagined form and deployment model, are worse than useless in the absence of robust account recovery systems and protocols, because the risk of account lockouts can be far higher with passkeys than with traditional authentication mechanisms, especially for nontechnical users with only a single device. And passkeys are essentially worthless for users who depend on public computers (which often don't even permit USB devices to be attached) for their Internet access, many of whom don't have smartphones (or often any phone at all).
These users are disadvantaged enough by legacy authentication models, passkeys put them at even greater risk of total account lockout. Combined with atrocious account recovery systems such as those at #Google, and it's a slap in the face to these users who are the ones always getting the shaft from the Big Tech Bros.
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@DarthWombat I don't think users should be forced to use passkeys as their only authentication method, to be clear. And I agree that Google, etc. could do more to help homeless/phone-less people use their services. But I think basically every organization could do more to help people in that situation? IMO it's more about incentives than "tech bros".
Web authentication for someone that has no possessions and can't remember their password (no one can) is a tough problem.
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I've done some searches, and don't see this anywhere, but I have a memory of your name being attached to the Full Disclosure Mailing List. Wikipedia only mentions two people as running it. Maybe you just posted there? Or, and I'm at that age, perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me.
BTW, I don't know much about bikes, but I'm guessing that's a Harley Fat Boy? And are the "ape hangers" comfortable?
It's a very good point. I used to work with my hometown library, and know that they did their best to provide services and equipment for the most disadvantaged people. What they don't have is money. So equipping them with authentication hardware (assuming it would work for everyone) is not going to be easy, and it won't be universal.
We have a LOT of people who need care. We DON'T need billionaires who steal public resources from them. Actually, we don't need billionaires at all.
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@williamoconnell Do you really think that this is a serious obstacle to phishers? They're not going to just throw up their hands and say "Welp, passkeys...I guess we're done making billions of dollars a year,."
I don't think so. I think they'll just engineer (socially and technically) their way around it, e.g., "we have a new domain, please set up a new passkey to keep your account secure" will likely work just fine.
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Yes!
"My use-case is THE use-case" is rife in the tech industry.
It's very similar to other accessibility issues:
"Look at my beautiful website that animates text on a HTML5 canvas"
"Looks cool! Does it work with screen readers?"
"Screen what?"
Six months ago I became lightly and temporarily physically disabled. The world is full of invisible obstacles.
Not just in business either and no good even if one has a smartphone and a home computer ...
MyGov has demanded everybody set up a Passkey so contact with them is by Phone App ... ignoring the fact phones are small and it can be difficult to navigate their site on a desktop monitor let along scrolling up and down and side to side on a small screen, then enlarge to be able to see what the bloody hell they are on about now ...
Seems they want everything to be accessed by showing your face ... Funny so many don't seem to worry about that but complain when Bunnings has facial recognition to deter thieves ...
I don't do my banking from phone either ... so from my view my information is safer when somebody has to break into my locked house, break into password locked computer, break into password locked two-factor authentication MyGov (or bank, whatever) account ...
Good luck with that as even a relative couldn't unlock my phone to use even after my telling him the password because he kept mucking up the order of the numbers, which locked me out too 😀
Surely separate passwords is safer than one Passkey held by some joint that can be hacked ...
From my view doing everything by phone is a very big risk ... I hate to think how people who have their phone do everything for them, will cope when it breaks, gets lost or stolen ...
Or maybe I'm just one of the old 'don't keep your eggs all in one basket' type 😀
There are lots of people who don't know squat about difficulty and really tough circumstances.
All the entitled little brats who didn't vote.
People need to delete Meta. Stop ordering crap from Temu, Amazon, or Shein.
Stop doing all the things that are destroying society and the planet.
Sorry for the rant. I am fed up with too many people centering everything on technology and white men.
Trees are far more important and valuable to humanity and the planet than either.
People with the ability to use passkeys _should_ use them. Apparently a micro-phishing kit for a fake MyGov site costs $30 on the dark web and passkeys are completely effective against these.
The point is we shouldn’t leave behind folks that can’t use passkeys or other smartphone-demanding tech. MyGov allows users to ignore the ‘security review’ recommendations to accomodate diverse needs.
Should the same standard apply to Android, iOS, and MacOS too?
That must be pretty new. I tend to recall having to create an AppleID to set up my iMac, iPad, and iPhone back when I had one.
Interesting if it's no longer required now.
Android definitely requires you to sign-in with your Google account to set up your phone.
What we really need is a llm to regenerate new cliche buzzwords based on the lates funding trends, so that those *Brohs!* keep their hannds out of my system...
What's old is new again...
Cold fusion is absolutely viable and the greatest.
It will make powering those Datavoires inexpensive and coast effective, [for example]
honestly something i never considered. Ill keep this in mind.
And holy damn this post has a lot of replies to look through!
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@Meyerweb I’ve been a booster of passkeys for a while, and this hit me like a ton of bricks last week when I was advising my brother about how to recover from a compromised account. His circumstances mean that he frequently loses access to his phone or accounts, and even my advice about password managers had some serious issues for him.
I still think there is a place for some form of pass keys, but it is decidedly not time to replace passwords.
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you get your passkeys when you login to chrome or edge... via password
They're not going anywhere 😂
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Admittedly, I don't have a solution but passkeys, like 2FA, allow the industry to pass its responsibility for the security of its products to its customers.
If the industry wants security to depend on a magic string of bits locked in a physical product, it needs to make that product ubiquitous, free, and always trustworthy. It can't and won't do that.
Well, forced AI, plus a draconian login system...
Why should I use Google now?
They must want to shake down their user base. If they do that, and then loose people, they can do great again and start signing up the lost old people. Then when it looks like they are growing again, they can issue more stock. It makes perfect dotcom logical sense.
I switched to Chromebooks a long time ago and Chrome Remote Desktop works well enough. If she had any passkeys then it would still work.
I don't have a good solution for anything else though. Still a long way to go.
another big failure mode is all the people living with device precarity (whether to damage or theft or age or ...)
I’ve struggled to see the entire passkeys *industry push* as anything other than trying to offload responsibility and risk
(and I view the industry push around it entirely disjoint from any technical properties of passkeys)
passwords are so fucking outdated and annoying. Thankfully all I have to do now is dig my phone out, put my unlock code in, wait for all the notifications to stop, open my authenticator app- oops wrong one, this app only supports BigTechSoft Authenticator, get the code- oops expired... get the code again, type it in.
Way better than typing in a password.
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They were absolutely hostile, total radio silence, complete suppression of passkeys until like... a few years ago. They must have figured out a way to make it so you have to spend money to have a passkey. I've had one since the 90's, and it fits on a floppy disc.
So the real problem here is that libraries with public computers are (at the behest of their Big Tech masters) still banning the use of PGP for authentication. I just sign a document at home saying "The one holding this is me until XX date," and then at the library computer, I insert the floppy disc containing that, and suddenly I am authenticated. That's how easy it could be if:
1. They didn't knowingly, wilfully ban public key authentication
2. They didn't design USB to be insecure so public machines would have to block it
3. They didn't remove floppy disc drives to stop people from using public key authentication
4. They didn't remove CD drives for the same reason
5. They didn't remove all ways to communicate with a computer other than our fingers, specifically to deceive everyone who owns a PC into being locked out of their own device.
("They" in this case being computer manufacturers, not librarians per se)
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Yeah, people who don’t have a phone or any kind of stable devices by definition can’t use passkeys, and must rely on per-account knowledge factors like passwords. I think this is pretty obvious.Hachyderm.io
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Got my phone back.
Debloated and Degoogled it. Locked down the DNS, limited network access for apps (user and system), changed the default NTP server to a non-Android default one. Just in case.
Slowly migrating back on to it.
I am not a big fan of Fedilab as it is more Mastodon centric (though it is a great app for Mastodon) and I prefer Friendica. I use the PWA on my phone and tablet as it is the only way to get all the Friendica features on a mobile device.
Most modern browsers support PWA.
Okay so you have a temp of 31c (87.8f) witha feel of 35c (95f). Is your body the standard 36c (98f)? I mention this because we have become creatures of comfort. I confess that I do keep my AC set to 26.6c (80f) so I am as guilty as everyone when it comes to wanting to control my environment. Even if I do use keeping my computer equipment cool as an excuse. Now the high humidity, yes I agree it is a killer. It will really drag me down. Though heat in itself does not bother me. I also find that by maintaining my home at 26.6c (80f) that I have less stress issues with rapid temperature change as I go from inside to outside a lot. I live in a camper in a campground so a lot of my activities are outside by necessity. I also enjoy long walks and there is no room for a treadmill in my camper. 😉
The high humidity is not the best whether for running. Though the temperature never has bothered me except when it gets cold. I hate cold weather. When it drops below 21.1c (70f) I start piling on the sweaters. 😀
The ironic thing is that I work in a temperature controlled environment that stays between 1.1c (34f) and 4.4c (40f). I hate the cold though I have learned to use layers and willpower to tolerate the environment at work.
I have always loved running. It gives me a chance to focus on my breathing and body. Something I tend to ignore for most of the day. 😉
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Confrontation, even online, makes me physically ill. I hate it.
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We're definitely targets. Whatever it is about being autistic the playground bullies can spot generally sticks around life long.
I got enough of my grandfather's genes I do OK in confrontation. He ran Ventnor, a moderately rough town, back in the days before every dipshit carried a gun. He could crush a steel beer can between his palms.
I refuse to drink in bars not just because I can't afford it, but because I'd be too good at violence and, being a grown-up, I go around it. I get the dumb punk with his pecker up coming at me, same as you. Thing is, if I had the right amount of beer in me, the first shot would be me glassing him in the face with a pint beer glass. Neither of us need that. He'd rather continue to have eyeballs and I'd prefer to stay out of prison.
So I drink alone, with George Thorogood. I party by myself with the Hollywood Undead.
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I'm the opposite. I literally feel too guilty to fight back, even as they're punching me in the face, so I have lost every single fight of self-defense I have ever been in, and then cried from guilt afterward if I punched back.
It's a total reversal if I'm defending someone else, though. I turn into a beast. I've thrown people twice my size with one hand. Almost every time this has been put to the test, it was because my brother has an even more punchable face than me, so I have countless memories of yelling, "DON'T TOUCH MY BROTHER!!!" before joining the fray and trouncing people. It's this automatic reaction that just wells up. I took on 6 dudes in a parking lot once without hesitation, after which two friends decided to have my back, and we beat the crap out of them and made them apologize.
It's the weirdest dualistic experience.
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I'm like you, but an only child. I honestly never had to use violence at all, and I was raised antitheist atheist in a neighborhood where the dominant culture was Catholic gangster.
I almost took out 4 kids with improvised antipersonnels when they did a racism and attacked our Black friend, then trapped the whole party in the house and waited for Bill to come out, but mom calmed me down enough. I know that a garbage truck is sturdy enough to withstand a stick of dynamite going off inside it.
You probably already read about the time I almost killed a guy in Cairo. So I've come close, but pulled myself back from the brink both times. I would have won both, though. It wouldn't have killed those four kids with pipes besieging my friend's house, but it would have wrecked their world. Quarter sticks of dynamite with a couple layers of birdshot.
I mastered words. And psychology. There are all sorts of ways to deflect someone looking for a fight. I know a guy who broke up a fight with a kiss. Well, a threatened kiss. Two drunk guys were squaring up so he waltzed between them with his gallon of wine and threatened to kiss the first fool to throw a punch. Then he passed the jug around.
However, we all have that part of us that wants to win fights, and mine's nasty. I'm not a fighter, but I am a killer at heart. I didn't choose that, but I can choose what I do with it. And what I do is stay the hell out of bars 😀
I hope I don't run across ICE snatching any of my neighbors, though. I might break my 50 year track record of peacefulness.
I did not need this today. Just had to block someone I formerly followed, and they even turned ableist on me when I mentioned I'm autistic, claiming I was "hiding behind" it.
I've already had enough from dealing with my doctor's office betraying me and having someone from the office talk over me and insinuate in an already very stressful phone call that I "just" had a cough and therefore didn't need to take off work for the last *month*. (Yeah, I told them during all 4-5 visits that it was more than that, coughing till I couldn't catch my breath, severe fatigue, brain fog, disrupted sleep. But did they write that down in their notes? Of course not.)
I'm this close to a full-on meltdown.
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I fought a friend recreationally when I was 25. Just so I could say I'd been in a fight. The first shot was him hitting me in the face with a vodka bottle, splitting my lip and giving me a concussion. I pondered in slow-mo for I dunno...90 seconds while he used me as a punching bag, then overpowered him. I never hit him, though. I just felt silly.
I went home and showered before going to the hospital. They had to get a plastic surgeon to fix my lip.
I learned the value of getting the first shot in. At my level of strength and creative viciousness, it'd be all I'd need against anyone less than, say, an actual heavyweight boxer or large state prison inmate. And even then I wouldn't count me out.
Understandable in a sense. Those of us with deep empathy know what it means to hurt someone and therefore might feel that our own good isn't worth that, but someone else's is. We could easily bring this to apply to any sort of confrontation.
Personally, I'm happy to verbally stand up for myself, and obviously others, and especially if I know that I'm definitely in the right. It becomes a bit greyer the less sure I am and also somewhat depends on how much point there is to standing up for myself. If it's seriously not going to change anything, or anyone, then I'd rather save my energy. Fighting is something I truly hate and try to avoid at all costs. Unfortunately, as a few have discovered the hard way, that doesn't mean that I'm not actually good at it. There's a barely tethered berserker within me, that really shouldn't be unleashed.
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Same here. That's just an autistic thing.
I was talking to an autistic man who had a neighbor kill and dismember his blind cat. He "beat him and his daughter until they bled from multiple orifices". Me, I dodge violence but totally validate that one.
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Hollywood Undead reference = automatic boost
Gonna go listen to Party By Myself, now, thanks.
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Im so bad I generally miss the uncanny valley for years?
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I have to pay super close attention and even then I miss it I try not to 🙁 it’s one thing that hasn’t gotten better ever for me having bad eyes doesn’t help and honestly I think I have stopped looking partially. I will have to start looking again for a month and see if I improve!
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@pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @Uair @jeanoappleseed I often got harrassed for being LGBTQ even though I'm cishet. I think they sensed something different about me and just projected it onto their pet bigotry.
(Growing up in Texas in the '80s and '90s, it was downright dangerous to be labeled as gay. I witnessed a guy who got lynched at a party for just the rumor of it. I cannot begin to describe how fucked up that situation was, and I'm sure he is way more fucked up about it than I am, even though it still disturbs me to this day.)
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I'd say it took me about fifty years to convince people I wasn't gay and in the closet.
I'm cishet but totally gender queer. I never got the point of gender roles.
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I think it's part and parcel with the autism. Gender is a social construct. It can mean radically different things in different times and places. Autistic people have a poor connection to that layer of the brain; the pack animal layer than handles social reinforcement.
I was in college before I found out it's "inappropriate" for men to sit down to pee. I always brought my book in as a kid.
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When I'm grumpy, I say that only autistic people communicate in language. Neurotypicals communicate in vibe, and microcues. They only use language to manipulate and deceive.
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@MissGayle @pathfinder @EVDHmn @Uair @jeanoappleseed I feel way worse for the guy who was being targeted. He was a nice kid. He didn't deserve that.
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They threw him down on a concrete floor and stood around him, whipping him with giant cowboy belt buckles, the ones made of huge solid chunks of metal with fixed prongs that go through the belt holes so they don't give and have significant weight to them. I'm pretty sure they were trying to kill him. My brother jumped in to stop them before I could finish computing what was happening, and that's when I ended up having to jump in for my brother's sake, as his head was being bounced off the concrete floor repeatedly by one of those disgusting rednecks' fists. I was so full of adrenaline I threw the guy across the room. It all ended as fast as it had begun, thankfully. No one was okay.
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Yeah, I remember getting lectured by my mom for walking the "wrong" way.
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@Uair @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed There's just differing cognitive and communication styles in play. We neurotypicals need to understand that making the other person do all the work is unfair and alienating.
Small example from my colleague: avoid perfunctory verbal rituals, such as using "you okay?" as a greeting. Straight away, some autistic people are struggling to figure out if it's a sincere question requiring a full answer, or if the answer is just "yeah, you?".
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I'm fortunate enough to have grown up outside Philly. "Howya doon?" is verbal punctuation. Nobody wants an answer.
I used to occasionally fuck with people by deliberately launching on the longest monologue I could get away with when hit with that question.
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I get why you'd say that, but I think it's part of the larger pattern of language change—words and phrases become drained of potency & meaning by overuse, which then leads to phrases becoming idioms and eventually new words
I assume it's related to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic…
(Which makes me wonder if autistic people experience that, and if so, it they do at a different rate than those that are neurotypical)
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I honestly think Americans just got too infantile and emotionally weak minded to actually communicate any more. It's not all of us, but starting with the baby boomers, it seems like people just tell lies all the time. I mean, everybody knows everything trump says is a lie. So was everything Bill Clinton said. We elected both men twice.
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To be clear I'm not autistic so I'm a bit of an interloper in this. Instead I seem to be some other variety of atypical, including learning disabled. And lacking the ability to convincingly execute the male gender role, though I've never understood why.
But I guess those details don't matter if bullies and homophobes pick up on any type of oddity and snap to homosexuality as the explanation.
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I'm pretty sure it's projection. I figure sexuality is more-or-less a bell curve, with a handful of pure hetero or pure homo at either end and most people somewhere in between leaning one way or another.
The haters don't hate us, they hate themselves. They're just projecting it onto us.
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In some cases I am pretty confident that the homophobe attacking me was, indeed, a self-hating LGBTQ person themselves. Though I hesitate to say that's the only motivation for homophobes. Some just enjoy picking on the weak, or reinforcing social hirearchy.
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@jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle It's not entirely insincere, it's just that "you okay?", "y'alright?" etc. are just ways of acknowledging your presence and checking there's nothing pressingly important they need to know about before getting on with their day. It's "are you basically functioning right now?"
Unless you're in immediate crisis and they're the one who can help, the answer is nearly always "yeah, you?" (or a variation thereof).
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When I figured out that homophobia was mostly to mask homosexual traits, I became flamboyantly unconcerned if people thought I was gay. In the early 90s I hung out with the boys who lisped and wore dresses, at least until I got tired of deflecting sexual advances.
Even they couldn't tell I wasn't gay.
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I listened until I was about 40, 45. Then my backed-up need for validation just overwhelmed me.
Now I'll infodump at anyone.
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Kurt Vonnegut:
99% of human conversation consists of this message--I'm alive and you are, too.
This puzzles autists.
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Yeah, I guess I passive aggressively said enough to make it clear things weren't optimal and that if they didn't pursue it, that was on them. 😈
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Not the best.
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We got the memo. We just can't read it anymore.
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Complete left turn here. My dad was also a polio survivor, which is a pretty unusual coincidence by itself, before throwing in the fact that you and I are both autistic. Based on research I've read, there may be a link between serious immune challenges in parents and autism in their offspring, via DNA methylation. I wonder what the autism prevalence is among the offspring of polio survivors.
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For me this question it’s the perfect example of the double empathy problem.
I had to learn how to deal with this question when I moved here, because in Canada everyone I met is asking me this question. And after 23 years it’s still making me uncomfortable and so much more now that I know that I’m autistic.
I need to constantly remember that it is only a social convention in the neurotypical world. And that the person asking me that question doesn’t really want to know, that it’s just a way to greet me, an extension of Hi/Hello.
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I wouldn’t fawn or pander to their misogyny or ego. I was not thinking of gender at all. Not thinking of making assumptions about people & their place on a hierarchy or how ppl represent a gender. I didn’t realize how angrily men deal with this loss of assumed supremacy.
Men can’t cope. They need to feel superior to me to ‘feel like a man’…and they find fast they are not superior to me.
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Yeah, it's rather obvious.
Now personal experience suggests there is a little bit more to the black art of Smalltalk (the spelling might be a good hint that I consider the computer environment less stressful), just repeating obvious things does not make you a small talk master, it gets you an irritated wife who demonstrates how will she can count.
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Just say, "Sorry." And if they press, say, "Sorry, EH" 😜
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I mean, I wanted any talk to be real, literal, and I tried to force them by giving real answers and asking them in such a way that they knew I wanted an answer, and I told myself it worked, I was living a real life - but turned out, they weren't, they were just all masking to me. Near as I can tell, you can't shake them out of it.
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@adelinej @jeanoappleseed @Uair @MissGayle With neurotypicals, personal info is given on a "need-to-know" basis. This makes whether you're okay a sliding scale: if a stranger asks if you're okay and you're having bad chest pains, they need to know this. So no you're not okay, call 911! If your boss asks if you're okay, they *only* need to know if something is impacting your work. Otherwise, you're okay.
If your friend asks if you're okay? They need to know it all. 🥰
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As a German, who don't do this ever, I can tell you it's really weird. But then I believe the quota of autistic people is exceptionally high in our population. German engineering and all.
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@sheilasmall Thanks for sharing!
I would not expect 100% prevalence, if there is a link at all. Just a higher rate than in the general population.
No worries! I'll hunt around pubmed and see if I can find them. Don't spend spoons on it. 😀
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Starting to like this idea:
How ya doin?
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You alright?
Sorry!
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my thought about when anything looks like a drug or a toxin has “caused Autism,” is that no genius has yet developed the mastery to “cause,” a human brain that works at all, but that perhaps some things can harm your Allism first. Doesn’t “cause,” any particular neurotype but maybe sometimes the newest parts (and I think Allism is ten thousand years old, tops) get hurt first.
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Poisons cause brain damage, and every brain damaged mouse or person isn’t Autistic - but maybe many of the damaged really aren’t Allistic anymore?
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But to me ...I think AUTISM is more of a protection from within as well as its own education of self in certain situations according to my being of 72 yrs ...
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just something I think affects the whole conversation. People
start talking about a cause, it sounds like they’re talking about a disease, and sure enough all the magazines are calling every brain damage effect they find, “Autism.”
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It’s a scary conflation, we need a better theory and that was mine. I’m almost that old too.
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gender and sex seems to be everything to regular folks, you’d think nothing else was going on the world you listen to them 😀
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Only right wing religions. They obsess on it. Nobody else cares.
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I just read a portion of Allistic syndrome and according to my own experience
I am thinking it is part of a NARRISTIC nature from what have seen and heard from others in my life duration
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I don’t think it’s latent or triggered or adaptive to the modern world, I think the whole world was and is Autistic - except Allistic modern humans, and they trigger themselves with the childhood they provide 😈💜
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Generations of forced allism perhaps?
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There is *some* evidence which *suggests* that epigenetic changes from trauma or illness in a parent can result in autism in their offspring. It's inconclusive at this time, which is why I stress "some" and "suggests".
AFAIK, there is *zero* evidence suggesting autism could develop in a non-autistic person as a trauma response. This is because autism is developmental, not an acquired trait.
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I guess this is probably a common misconception about genetics propagated by poorly researched sci fi. Changing someone's genes can change their metabolic pathways, their biochemistry, but it can't change their physical structure, not directly. (There is the route of hormones, but that is slower-acting.) You can't expose turtles to toxic goo and make them "turn into teenagers", as a friend once put it. That kind of physical restructuring is well outside of biological plausibility.
Since autism is a difference not only at the biochemical level, but at the structural level, you can't just change someone's genes and thereby make them become autistic; their brain has to grow that way in the first place. Their brain has to grow in the shape of an autistic one for them to be autistic. This is also why it's ridiculous to say that a vaccine made someone autistic.
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they tried to abuse me into allism, and I submissively withdrew into that allism for 30+ years... always struggling, until I broke free, and reunited with my suppressed autistic self.
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I believe autism is genetic. In my family, my grandma was surely autistic (no formal Dx, there was shame in getting dx'd autistic), I didnt know her parents but I was told she was abused, my dad was abused, I was abused. Abused parents maybe part of the 'cause'. I agree with protection, as I feel a strong need to protect myself, involuntarily screaming like a trapped rat in certain situations.
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I go a step further and say natural and not a developmental problem either 😇
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My development was slower than average humans... but was not impaired. Slowness to walk, to talk, to potty, were upsetting for my parents, who wanted me to wake up sooner, learn to potty sooner, learn to walk sooner than I was ready for.
The rush made me stumble and fall. If not for their pre-existing ideas of when I should do things, maybe life would be better.
I did learn to grab much sooner than peers.
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Yeah. I want people to be happy, so I fawn. Denying my own needs to make the abuser happy. And so, abuse myself with neglect to my body's needs. A vicious cycle I wish to end with me. No kids for me.
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I think that’s a great point. The idea of narrowly defined genders & socially acceptable sexualities simply makes no sense. I’m a cishet woman, but have always pushed back on narrow definitions of womanhood or even the idea that there should be a definition. Like, I’m just me, happy in my body and to have used that body to reproduce & nurture children. And if someone else feels differently about their body, that’s their business.
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Ah, but fawning is not necessarily inherent in us. It’s something we learn as a strategy to avoid stressful conflict, &/or to please those we wish or feel we need to please.
I was always one of those people who could surprise others with when I chose to voice my disagreement. For me, it wasn’t just about who I was trying to please, as the issue on which we disagreed. There were some issues upon which I wouldn’t, couldn’t budge. But my apparent ability to operate independently, masking my enormous sense of vulnerability, made it more possible to voice such disagreement.
Obviously our level of dependence on others is a huge factor here, with those less able to be financially independent being most vulnerable. Autistic in ways that reduce one’s ability to gain qualifications & employment, and female, or presenting as female or feminine? (And I’m guessing other minority factors apply here, colour, religion etc.) Bingo.
Dependence is a bit like the deficit approach to autism. The fact that we can operate more independently if respected, valued & accommodated accordingly is a huge stretch for many people. It’s not just about abusers who seek out the vulnerable to exploit (not always consciously, but out of a need to define themselves as strong & independent against someone “weaker” than themselves). It’s about people having narrow, unquestioned & often binary ideas about strength, ability, & so on. Inter-dependence, complementary strengths & talents etc are concepts that require too much effort to consider.
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I believe there are many different elements involved with such happenings and whether genetic or from other combinations of one's own mentality makes one protect self from surroundings ...
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It seems that Allism is a different fish from a different pond all together ...
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I BELIEVE ...that over many generations of actions from within could be reactionary as to how one deals with actions ongoing if persons do not take time to make changes for one self and future of others .. even if only one step is better than none ...Bravo and pride ...
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It takes effort to break cycles and know you are better than where you come from and build yourself with your efforts ... we all were given brains and it is up to us... to figure out how to use them for being in a better place ...
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Sadly some parents may want to be first at anything or have children grown up before their time ... and not allow for the natural growth patterns ..
Have seen this happen within my own circle of friends as well as others .. then their is the odd child that potty trains one self to use a toilet after seeing a older child do so and not need to be trained when the older child was unable to do so on own ...
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Or there is no children to interfere with that control ...
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Hello, I’m almost back, busy day, I’ll read back. 💜
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I get that after having my own child and giving to the many needs of a child and withholding or depriving self of many things I could of used for my own health...
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This is in part of some of the factors that can be added to either having ADHD or other issues ... and one tries to deal with life in a solitary manner as well for peace and quiet ...
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Yeah, I have a real issue with “developmental” too.
In evolutionary terms, we know that diversity is good. That a range of strengths & talents in any population makes them better able to deal with a range of issues. (Similar things apply of course to the workplace, education etc.) Many abilities come hand in hand with a shortcoming. People who are good at responding to sudden change (eg some ADHEDers) aren’t always good at long term planning. People who are very good at planning don’t adapt well to change. (Eg some autistic folk.) Some people are great at admin, poor with managing people. Some are great at problem solving physical obstacles, but not more abstract issues. And so the list goes on. I imagine that chiefs of prehistoric tribes would have had a council of elders with varying abilities to respond to a range of issues, such as aggressive neighbours, natural disasters, tensions within the tribe etc.
Some neurotypical people aren’t particularly good at anything, and I’m guessing the same goes for some neurodivergent people. (But some people, for various reasons play down or fail to recognise their strengths.) But society needs “ordinary” people too.
I think neurodivergence is probably an adaptive thing for the species in general, because it provides for a broader range of abilities at various levels. The downside is that when those abilities aren’t recognised, it’s easy for neurodivergence to be seen from a deficit perspective.
When a neurotypical person isn’t good at sport, as an example, we don’t automatically start looking for all the other things they aren’t good at, determinedly overlooking anything they’re ok or better at. That’s because we don’t regard a lack of sporting/athletic ability as an indicator that there’s something awfully wrong with them. . (I’m sure that does happen occasionally within some very sporty families.)
But the ways in which ND people are different and which might sometimes be a source of inconvenience or worse for them or others around them, are often seen through a totally negative lens. We have lists of all of the things that might be “wrong” with a neurodivergent people, instead of a list of potential differences, including skills & talents.
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It's about power and control. Not reality. It's about creating hate, both self- and otherwise.
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Can tell you that some of us are unable to read very long texts as it is over whelming and beyond our range of depth of short term answers and our age group on social media or other scopes ...
But think have the gist of what was pointed at ..
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I'm very good at remembering visuals, but I am terrible at remembering words. Abilities unrecognized by most, seen as a deficit for word retention failures.
My parents even had me go to several hearing tests across my life, my hearing was measured as fine.
Something's wrong with me, my parents believed I had problems since I was two, didnt speak til I was four, but I could draw a tree and rainbow
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@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed And yet, pseudo-autism is a thing.
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Understanding Pseudo Autism: Key Insights
Explore pseudo autism, its causes, symptoms, and misconceptions, and learn the importance of accurate diagnosis and support.NeuroLaunch editorial team (NeuroLaunch.com)
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Pseudo-stupidity must be a thing, too.
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Again, I want to argue with the whole premise - but I honestly think some people close to me have it backwards, and I guess they think I do. It's complicated but I got a kid that I think is measuring themselves against me, but they've decided or been told I'm some rough angry dude I never was, so they think I'm normal and they can't understand me, so THEY must be Autistic. I'm having a Hell of a time talking to this kid, they have a lot invested in this and there's no room for me and my first hand knowledge about my life. Frustrating, to say the least.
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But our story seems bizarre, hardly some "syndrome," or anything.
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oh boy, sounds like you have the same difficulties as me, Auditory Processing issues, I havent been formally diagnosed but from my perspective, I cannot focus on sounds, like most people can focus on voices.
If there is any noise around, or they have a thick accent or they slur... I struggle to understand the words. I cant filter sounds, I hear everything.
Car drives by while someone is talking to me, cant understand a word. In the back seat, going over a noisy road, cant understand
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This spectrum has so many differences and would be the same as ADHD as an adult be told there is no cure and one would have put things in place thru growth to help getting thru life ...
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And an additional people-chosen problem is when I ask for someone to repeat themselves, they get angry refuse or who knows what, I get insulted...
come on people, be ok with repeating, eesh.
I miss one word and the whole lesson from the teacher can be missed. I rasie my hand to ask her to repeat, but she doesnt call on me for several sentences. I'm hanging on to my question so I cannot intake any words.
Frustrating across my life!
Depends on whether I’m having a more focussed ADHD day.
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Same for me. Like, I can hardly ever understand what people say to me in a crowd, even if they are right next to me and speaking loudly. It's worse if they have a high pitched voice, because then it blends in with all the other random noise of the world.
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I agree that it is most likely a natural diversity thing, but I could see it potentially being partly developmental too. Say like, a trait that normally occurs x% of the time, but under certain environmental pressures can occur more often. Like how some species adapt to environmental changes by changing their ratio of sexes (but in this case developmentally, not changed at any time).
But yeah, we're definitely part of the normal diversity. I have a theory I'm playing with on our role in it.
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@sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed Ok, it's not a great article. I should have spent more time looking for a better one.
Full disclosure: my partner's acquaintance's kid is diagnosed with that condition. Well, they used a name I like much less, but of all the names I've seen for it I like pseudo-autism the best. I've seen pictures of the kid in question and know her name, but have never met her so I'm not in a position to give my own take.
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This is one of my rants, the drain everything goes towards.
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The world, the NT, are creationist to the bone. When they heard about evolution, they made it one of their creation stories, another in the genre, something that happened a long time ago and made us what we are now and forever.
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They think evolution takes a long time, like we adapt to things that happened thousands of years of years ago but not today, and as you suggested, or said, what’s the point in that?
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some days or moments 500 letters can be not enough here also
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The clash of many different things ends up with many a different result whether wanted or not ...
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As they say one gets to live another day when you learn something new ... thanks for the new word to me and yes very much so as to the WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN and HOW things get handled ...
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All events can have different challenges to what end results are and or what timelines they can be dealt with all be different depending on so many things... sad thing is there are those who rely upon the money they can make from someone's debilation of events ...
Last encounter was at $200 per hour to see if I was on the right track many years ago ...am not afraid of challenging myself ...
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Sad thing is no one wants to be associated with others who may show that they themselves may have same affliction known more in the mental circle or association... when there is nothing wrong ...
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Am thinking those who do not speak till ready for many years are observing, learning from those around themselves as too how to be safe within circles ...
So from silence and observation to extreme curiosity and being vocal or diving straight into subject matter one would be more careful of comes the difference of what and how one learns what is known to them and the results it brings ...
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@punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed .
What does acronym NT mean ??
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All depends on what one chooses to believe or is mentally capable of doing so .. why the world is where it is .
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@Lstn2urmama @punishmenthurts @murdoc @Susan60 @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed Neurotypical (which is probably not exactly a *thing*, but I prefer that to the kind of people who insists that they're "normal").
Basically people without mental health issues or neurological ... things (so someone who's not autistic, doesn't have ADHD, doesn't have PTSD, isn't bipolar, doesn't suffer psychotic breaks, etc)
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Sorry that expands even further than subject here and could go on for years ...
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I know and we are on one of the deepest subjects that afflicts mankind and why some get rich from sitting in their chairs just listening to see where ones mind has directed themselves ... when is capable of getting there all by themselves ...
I learned that for everything we think or do there are these points that can be used to get there...
WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN HOW GOOD or EVIL ...
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@Lstn2urmama @Susan60 @punishmenthurts @sasutina13 @jeanoappleseed
I've never understood the point of the character limitation. It made some sense in the early days of Twitter when it was necessary in order to support texting, but that hasn't been a thing for ages.
Our character limit here at TootCat is... well, I'm told you can see it with a good telescope.
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Here it seems to vary as from 200 to 500 on some days .. a lack of consistency ..it boggles my mind when some are able to write a whole chapter or a small story here ... or the auto stupid interferes with its context and word changes or actually is very uneducated guesses
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@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Something they don't like to advertise: Most of the heritable genes for autism increase ability in academic domains, and thus increase IQ scores. Only the de novo (out of the blue, not inherited) mutations have negative effects on cognition. This flies in the face of the eugenicist messaging implicit in IQ scoring and other forms of ableism.
Well has something to do with being INDIVIDUALS 🤫
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@BernieDoesIt @WatchingTVnFilm @punishmenthurts Every human being (up to identical twins) represents a specific evolutionary experiment, a unique combination of genes, each of which confers a multitude of positive and negative influences. It gets even more complicated when you start considering *interactions* between those variants, where the presence of each gene strengthens, weakens, or even inverts the effect of other genes.
We are all, every human being alive, at the cutting edge of evolution. And each of us is tested for evolutionary fitness in a unique setting, not some universal test for fitness. There is no uberman. There is no such thing as genetic superiority. The concept isn't even well-defined. Ableism is a fundamentally flawed concept at its very root.
As if that weren't enough, why the hell do we care what course evolution has set for us? What about the course *we* set for ourselves? We can decide what is good. We don't need evolution for that.
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I was born in 1957. I was colicky and my mother had no intention of breast feeding which was popular back then. I hated formula so my mother got the brilliant idea somewhere to feed me diluted jello water. I lived for my initial 9 months of my life on sugar and horse hoof gelatin. Did that cause my autism or was I autistic coming in. This will be forever unknown.
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@LaNaehForaday @punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed
This tells me YOU ARE A SURVIVOR with abilities unknown to many a human being .. have capabilities to be someone beyond many just differently ... Do own research on your needs and replenish them for a long life ...
Some of us are beyond or below what is considered normal ...🙏
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This is not "my" pic but illustrates how infants were treated by the 50's. This was the norm back then. Formula was just invented and was said to be better than breast milk so mothers stopped breast feeding and started doing THIS...
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I was very ill a few years ago and all I lived on was boiled eggs and watermelon and my meds for 6 months as covid shut down everything before able to get help mostly needed or dieing ...
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Our bodies are so amazing and technical and magical.
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We are more resilent than we give ourselves credit for ... have challenged self to having tested that all ones needs to eat to be satisfied with is 3 tablespoons of food at anytime ... not these big meals ...just maybe more often ...
We must remember where we came from all they had was fruit and grains with some meat...
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Yeah.
But the veterinarians all talk about that first breastfeed and the colostrum and the life long immunity problems when the cows miss it. That's why it's still preferred, and I think they never even considered it for me or my sibs either.
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We are born whom we are .. but it is up to us to further our knowledge and life reactions to what we learn and how we use it with guidance from parents or others
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They lie like two year olds, like they don't know there's a real world, they don't know there's people who already know, or that we can easily check, it's bloody amazing 😲
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Animal husbandry is considered a different thing all together and is more dicy
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@jeanoappleseed @Tooden @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama
> I was able to go to university. It was extremely hard.
I bombed out near the end despite being a National Merit Scholar and having a completely free ride, not because I couldn't hack it academically, but because I couldn't hack it *socially*. I didn't even know I was disabled yet, but had I known, there would have been no support. I couldn't even get proper support for my severe suicidal tendencies during that period of my life. I ended up homeless for a time. The system fails us *badly*.
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@punishmenthurts @jeanoappleseed @VulcanTourist @BernieDoesIt @sasutina13 @Lstn2urmama I doubt it's even a "they". Probably just a bot posting under their names to generate lots of content and gather clicks.
Who cares if it harms real human beings, right? /s
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I would rather have my belief in someone who actually has experience within the subject matter and doing my own research with help from others ...
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also as an adult one has put own management of situations and has been told we do not get same treatment as youth do or at all ...
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I say "(out as)" not because I think a lot of us are faking or anything, but because I'm sure there are more allistic people who *want* to transition than there are that do
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I've spent my life trying to figure out Allistic people, and I'm afraid I have and the news is not uplifting.
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I mean, I can't say, "These are our traits and these are theirs, because even we don't seem to all think like I do, but the difference between Me and Allistic people is that their bottom line is this "strength," they are sure they need to be battle ready at all times, and also, the penny dropped on this one reading #TheDawnOfEverything when they gave me the word, "actuarial," meaning of or pertaining to, "a sense of what sort of world you create with your behaviour and your policies and laws," and the causality of human affairs - which the North Americans of the Haudenaussee Confederacy found the European invaders lacking in. In my mind, they have "deterrents," and punishments where they need psychology and evolution - I find a deterrent to be a threat and a cause of all bad things, and the whole theory of a deterrent is the opposite of evolution, you are to get more civilized because of a constant threat of violence, this is not causality and it lacks any actuarial sense.
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They NEED their viziers and whatnot. Badly.
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@raphaelmorgan @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed
Yeah. That's our weakness--social learning.
We got some crazy strengths to offset that, though.
Not least the bravery to walk our own path in a conformist world.
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FWIW
The idea that autism "causes" trans is a persistent myth...
Autistic individuals are more likely to be LGBTQ+
New research from the University of Cambridge suggests that autistic individuals are less likely to identify as heterosexual and more likely to identify with aUniversity of Cambridge
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Also, the whole honesty thing. Once we've seen a truth about ourselves, it's far harder for us to deny it, or shy away from it.
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Power to you for your extent of research.. but for some of us the day to day nature of dealing with our own aspect of what we have to deal with is more than enough ...
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@Dianora @raphaelmorgan @Uair @skiles @pathfinder @EVDHmn @MissGayle @jeanoappleseed Because clearly anything non-normative must be a disease, as we all know. /s
I wish people could get on board with the whole live-and-let-live thing already.
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I think shrinks are on board with that but most people are not. Everyone must fit a peg.
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"Live and let live" seems to be a uniquely autistic thing.
It's that social mind thing. Besides being able to learn gender roles an' shit from each other, normies have to be all up in our shit demanding we conform.
You can't give a pack animal a mind.
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All joking aside--it'll take time.
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Agreed. Possible maybe in some societies more open to different ways of being, but uncommon. I’m guessing that in ancient societies, too much energy was needed to deal with common but serious threats.
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@Lstn2urmama @raphaelmorgan @jeanoappleseed
Oh, no! You were a victim of fluoroquinones -- like cipro?
I try to warn people from time to time about the dangers of these antibiotics for anyone with joint hypermobility.
eds.clinic/articles/ehlers-dan…
"These antibiotics can cause tendonitis, tendon rupture, and potentially life-threatening conditions such as aortic aneurysm and dissection. This is especially concerning for individuals with underlying connective tissue disorders."
Scary stuff! My brother was a victim. He had to have a tendon surgically repaired in his thumb after a tendon ruptured. Thankfully, it was something that *could* be repaired!
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For the record though, I wasn't saying autism causes us to be trans. I was saying it might give trans people the self reflection to realize it and/or the courage to socially transition
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I get it .. tried to go back to school but could not handle small room and ALL THE NOISES... within ...
Most of my jobs have been in solitude as have been in jobs were constant noises were debilating ...
Now have no radio or other noise factors other than keyboard and outside noises are more than enough to handle and have a rhythm to them ...
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@dhfir @pathfinder @skiles @raphaelmorgan @EVDHmn @Dianora @jeanoappleseed @MissGayle
Do you realize the incredible bravery it takes to identify as "an absolute coward"?
Let alone "confused as shit".
The raw honesty here is Diogenean.
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SOME of us were kept on some antibotics daily for years .. because of unknown factors.. hence where the malpractice point comes in or we are ignored for what we have told doctors ...
MY scars come from Healthcare ...
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Azithromycin was a godsend for me after being sick with something effecting my breathing for 5 weeks and it worked great ... even if doctor will not prescribe again
Have had covid 3 times and this last one lasted for over a year thus far still leaving residual effects ... with NO treatments / not left home since September.. but is slightly better and looking forward to getting away from here different scenery .
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Thanks for this.
I'm on a long run of antibiotics for a tropical skin thing, and am EDS.
Looks like I'm safe. Whew.
My autism is on borderline of what diagnostic criteria would call autism, but I see myself in other autistics. it is 100% autism. Since birth. I had many burnouts from being undiagnosed & uncared for, with no support, & those traits became a bit more visible to me with my trauma responses. PTSD = autistic burnout. The autism came first & trauma came bc of it.
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I wonder about what your infection was. There are so many antibiotic resistant bacteria now. And of course, fungi and mold do not respond much, if at all, to antibiotics.
Too many doctors will not test for aspergillis infection, even when the symptoms indicate it it very likely. And by the time someone does test, it has become embedded in bone and can be removed only by removing the infected bone.
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No doctor visits at the covid time allowed only over the phone and drugs delivered to home ... even my surgery was only available to me when illness was about to stage end after a year and organ failure was imminent...
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Also, if we are safely within our comfort zones, many of us can appear normalish. If something happens to contract those zones, burnout, or outside factors, then our ability to function becomes far more moot. It's only an appearance that our autism is worse.
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Pretty much the same. I realised recently that everyone pretty much gave up on me. Not that I fault them, cos I was a handful and nobody knew much if anything about autism.
I had to basically fend for myself, and learn social stuff on my own. I made a shipton of mistakes.
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Knees here would go painfully backwards just trying to walk/ could not ride a bike till I was 20/ could have fingers pulled halfway back when young till arthritis took over ... I used to be able to do advanced yoga when was not supposed to be able to do so/ never mind normal yoga
Have been told am hyper mobile after attempting to get genetics tests when were not done ... I used to be able to touch floor with wrists
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I had real problems with waking and such. I learned pretty quickly to avoid bending the wrong way. Didn't always succeed.
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Same, I guess they gave up trying to talk to me and just nodded and smiled for however many decades 💜
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Here is something I remembered ... Nowadays unable to ride a normal bike as hips and legs do not sit in right position to reach pedals ... they are much forward ND pedals too far back...
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You might want to look into Ehlers-danlos syndrome. It's a common co-morbidity with autism.
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I read and learn by research of many an action even for different cultures ...
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I projected my own honesty, kindness, good faith onto others who did not deserve it. The same way awful people project awful things onto innocent people.
I was blinded by my own light.
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It's definitely better, just not always possible for all mothers. Sensory issues, milk drying up, there are a number of reasons why not, that should in no way reflect badly on the mother.
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Wow, that's spot on.
Brilliant, no pun intended. 💜
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Puns are always intended! They are doubly intended.
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"blinded by my own light" pretty much sums it up for me as well.And I also projected goodness and kindness on anyone, though not all did not deserve it. I did that for so long. Even after being assaulted, which I blamed myself for, naturally. Then I went through a period in the opposite extreme of distrust and cynicism. I am pretty messed up...still...
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It’s hard, because for such a long time we were visible prey to predators without realizing we looked any different. Even when we knew we were different than others in some ways we struggled defining.
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I thought I was breaking cycles, doing everything every kids' story tells you to do, telling the truth, being good . . . I'm not bragging, I may have in the past, but now I understand that was the easy way for me to be, the only way for me to be - so are NT masking to us when they parrot these ideals and morals? Are all their religious and moral rules really ours, and they're just going through the motions?
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@JoBlakely Yes. The guilt is persistent, amost constant. Guiltier than a Catholic.. I read a blog called "My Fault, I'm Female" some time ago. Women posted stories about being blamed for, well, pretty much anything.
They can see us coming from around the corner, it seems.
It has made me quite a bit less social. It definitely made me far less trusting.
It was much like looking in the mirror. @BernieDoesIt @hosford42 @punishmenthurts @Lstn2urmama @jeanoappleseed @actuallyautistic
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Yes. Exactly. It was the only way for me to be. I hate the term, bc it pathologizes integrity but someone autistic called it ‘moral OCD’ when for me it’s just living in integrity with the ideas of how a person should be and was taught. I am deeply uncomfortable with anything that goes against my morals. I set high standards but they aren’t hard to meet. I don’t get what’s so hard for others.
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we gotta listen to them preach, but we're to be ridiculed if we believe it, straight up.
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And yes, in every other context it's "Who's a Criminal?<" but when it's us, it's "Who's too stupid to be a Criminal?" 💜
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my latest take, extreme as fuck, is that they simply never learn anything or change their minds about anything, nothing ACTUALLY matters to them, everything, is, yeah, but (but whatever I want to think), right?
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My main one: sure, evolution - but really, Human Nature, amirite? But EVERYTHING is like that, they haven't learned a new idea since the Bronze Age.
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I'm sorry, but . . .
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Wow. I’m sorry. That’s just bullshit from whoever that was. Sticking up for someone should never require apologetics. And autism isn’t the only reason. It’s because you saw it was right to do, and your integrity wouldn’t allow you to bystand. Your autism makes you more aware, caring, sensitive, and courageous, & more likely to speak up esp. on behalf of others…
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They attacked bc their ego & sense of superiority was knocked bc you showed them up, shamed them by doing the right thing.
I had someone rage at me when I stuck up for someone too…bc they weren’t the one to do it. They couldn’t stand that it made them feel inferior, when they have a need to feel better than.
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Those who have been judged at for wrong reason see what happens to others ...
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I read that the slap was typically backhanded to humiliate & demonstrate dominance over a lower ranked person. Turning the other cheek shows you are unbothered, not humiliated & they would have to use an open hand now, which would signify Jesus as an equal. Jesus sees himself as an equal. Regardless of the insult & attempt at dominance that slap intended.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_…
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Well that's not nearly as good, is it 😈
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It’s better, bc it’s both good things at once.
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meh, I don't get it. It's supposed to be this massive teaching, everybody knows it, but it's about the formalities preceding a fight or a lawsuit?
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DGMW, I've never read my idea anywhere, it's just my obsession, No Punishment, and I only care what Jesus said, if he was agreeing with me. LOL.
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Pretty much nobody in history ever said "No Punishment."
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I was attacked once on the job and looked over my shoulder for a week or 2 but got over it by talking to myself as am my own best competition... READ ATTACHMENT PLEASE
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@jeanoappleseed I can see that you have strong opinions about this topic. Please try to remember that it's not my theory. I learned about it in class and hyperfixated on it for a few hours a few weeks ago partially because I had heard of sometime with it but mostly because it had something to do with autism.
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@jeanoappleseed There are a few names that show up in research papers about it a lot. I can get you their name and academic affiliations if you want to talk about it with someone who knows a lot more about it than I do.
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No, I mean everyone, in regard to themselves. I’m speaking from an asexual place, I guess, but y’all are obsessed with sexual matters. Even as the world burns from completely non-sexual things going on, everybody’s gender and genitals are their whole universe, their first and prime subject.
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“I’m straight,” I’m queer,” I don’t care what you do with your genitals, who did you vote for, how do you raise your kids? A world of spanking and war and all they want to talk about is who they’re screwing. LOL. 😈💜😀
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@plan-A what's the most important thing in messaging, in your opinion?
Session looks good. But if would be nice to use across desktop and mobile. Does it have offline messaging?
Matrix? Could work. Depends on your threat model though with a lot of this stuff.
I tried watching Murderbot. I'd heard about it from the book I think.
Meh/10
Didn't really grab me. Think I've overdosed on "witty banter" Sci-fi and stuff recently.
Onward....
Material
Currently devouring #Abarat 2, The #CliveBarker YA book. I have the third and like all his fans I'm desperate for books 4 and 5, but health.... I love Abarat.
I keep dipping into #elric here and there. I've done part/all of an #audiobook (difficult to remember because time passes). I "think" I've done: Elric of Melniboné. I can't remember if I listened to all of The Fortress of the Pearl, The Sailor on the Seas of Fate and The Weird of the White Wolf. It's a long audiobook!!
AFTER I've done #convergence book 2 (taking a break from #sci-fi for "urban fantasy"), I will dip back into Elric audio.
#Reading #books #Fantasy #bookstodon @bookstodon group group
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I live alone and I can relate. Though to be honest most of the time I am happy to keep company with my many books. 😉
@plan-A I miss community. I miss online friends I once had.
These days it's just noise and distraction and partisan division followed by rage. It's puts you off even commenting or trying to try. Better to be walled off than dogpiled and threatened.
We went: SEO blogspam >>> clickbait >>> ragebait >>> AI slop. And everyone's angry. They were angry when anons and "trolls" on usenet and irc. Now the platform amplifies the voices and... Well, it's played out, boring, predictable and tiresome.
I live in a place where I get little contact with people. I'm not working right now and that limits contact even more.
My mood will pick up soon. Medication.... ^_^
Might install xmpp or something.
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@plan-A you might not want xmpp. It can be locked down but like many things there are issues.
Looking at element, simpleX, session...
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The “everything’s ending and it’s my fault” feeling is a chemical lie, not a personal truth.
Allegedly.
It seems that being prescribed Clotiazepam for anxiety has it's positives and negatives.
File under: Things the hospital didn't tell me.
I've been on this stuff for seven months.
Clotiazepam is a class of drug called “thienodiazepines”. It is chemically similar to benzodiazepine.
Side effect include insomnia, rebound anxiety, dizziness etc etc etc.
I'm trying to taper off them now like I did venlafaxine. DON'T DO THAT DRUG.
Would explain a lot of things to do with my moods because I thought they weren't that effective. Except just stopping them has screwed me up. Go me!
Had to stop using e-ink phone. Software issues. Went back to "trying" to read on a "normal" phone.
God it's shit. E-ink has spoilt me!!
Busy morning
Let’s reflect on what I did this morning:
- ADB shell dumps of system & user apps on Android,
- Blocked SystemUI network traffic and monitored overall stability,
- Reverse-engineered APKs looking for HTTP beacons and hardcoded IPs, because spyware....
- Used VirusTotal + Hybrid Analysis to sandbox vendor .apks,
- Correlated IPs with ASN, location, and possible service origin, then isolated and blocked them,
- Avoided 'Google Play Protect' despite pressure, preserving system integrity against thread model and previous security hardening,
- Assessed potential psyops or disinfo campaigns online sparking user doubt in specific vendor hardware.
I need a drink.
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in reply to 🌱@ambiguous_yelp:ahimsa.chat • • •Jasmine
in reply to Oasus Plainsview • • •six year old me was a genius to register
(I’m 33 now, but anyway)
Christopher Snowhill
in reply to Jasmine • • •DrYak
in reply to Oasus Plainsview • • •They manage to fullfil what the pretense of the act is ("think of the children!"), without letting the surveillance and excessive pii hoarding (ID documents, face videos, etc.) that the pushers of the act coveted.
bignose
in reply to Oasus Plainsview • • •Over at Chinwag, they have responded to #Australia calls for #AgeRestriction on #SocialMedia, with a characteristically Aussie policy.
chinwag.au/verification/
@itsOasus @chinwagnews
Age Verification – Chinwag
chinwag.au